F**k it sell him, great runner of the ball and positioning, meh finishing. Boyd will probably step up and kenny as well.
Grumpy old bastard alert
I'd be interested to know what percentage of transfer rumors actually eventuate. My guess is it would be a very small number
"The problem with internet quotes is that you cant always depend on their accuracy" -Abraham Lincoln, 1864
Grumpy old bastard alert
Ernie Merrick: "There are so many inaccuracies, it's incredible, but that's what some people write" #Phoenix #Burns #ALeague
Ernie Merrick: "Someone put words in Nathan's mouth saying he had an out-clause and wanted to go. That's a nonsense"
Jason Pine
@pineyzb
Merrick: "We have been dealing with a club from China. The communication's been good. The agent we're dealing with isn't the one mentioned"
Ernie Merrick: "This idea that we're holding out for over 2 million dollars is absolutely ridiculous" #ALeague #Phoenix #Burns
Grumpy old bastard alert
Merrick: "We have been dealing with a club from China. The communication's been good. The agent we're dealing with isn't the one mentioned"
...awkward... ;)
We need a proper investigative journalist we do.
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
Best. Mid-Season. Break. Ever.
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
If Burns wants to go sell sell sell no good having a player who's mind is somewhere else.
Ernie Merrick: "There are so many inaccuracies, it's incredible, but that's what some people write" #Phoenix #Burns #ALeague
Ernie Merrick: "Someone put words in Nathan's mouth saying he had an out-clause and wanted to go. That's a nonsense"
Jason Pine
@pineyzb
Merrick: "We have been dealing with a club from China. The communication's been good. The agent we're dealing with isn't the one mentioned"
Ernie Merrick: "This idea that we're holding out for over 2 million dollars is absolutely ridiculous" #ALeague #Phoenix #Burns
Unlike all the other threads and pages which, following thorough analysis of factual evidence, result in a carefully formulated course of action.
Simon Hampton @SimonHampton9
$A2 million price tag for Nathan Burns not correct, but Phoenix have rejected an offer.
10:05am - 22 Jan 15
Finally, a journo has done some work and asked the Nix to comment on whether an offer has been received. Good stuff Hampster.
And of course Piney's stuff... sorry bit late to this thread.
I posted a comment on a stuff article last week in response to someone else saying other clubs would want to sign him next season, and I made the point that 1) he could only leave if he had a buy out clause (as signed for 2 seasons, this being his first), and 2) I hope the Nix hold other clubs to ransom and ask $2m IF a buy out clause even existed
2 days later these rumours emerge lol
<3 Ernie Merrick.
".......we'll throw in a couple of academy boys and some steak knifes...."
Comedy from Stuff...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/652...
Wellington Phoenix demand $2.13 million for star striker Nathan BurnsSAM WORTHINGTON
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MONEY TO BURN: The Wellington Phoenix are reportedly demanding more than $2 million from Chinese club Shanghai Shenhua to release star striker Nathan Burns from his A-League contract.
The Wellington Phoenix have placed an A$2 million (NZ$2.13 million) asking price on star striker Nathan Burns' head as they play hard ball with his cashed-up Chinese suitors Shanghai Shenhua.
SBS's The World Game website reported that the Phoenix's demands are shaping as a deal breaker, with a frustrated Shanghai only prepared to pay about A$1 million to prise away the A-League golden boot leader.
Shanghai is willing to pay Burns a whopping salary of A$2.5 million net per season and, understandably, the Socceroo is reportedly keen to take up the offer.
Burns is contracted to the Phoenix through to 2015-16 but reportedly has an out-clause that would allow him to leave at the end of this season for a small sum.
Australian agent Ante Alilovic is negotiating with the Phoenix on Shanghai's behalf and spoke to The World Game about the impasse.
"Shanghai has tabled a very substantial offer to Nathan Burns and the indications are he is happy to accept it," Alilovic said.
"But the situation is that Shanghai are not willing to match Wellington's asking price, which for a player soon to be out of contract they believe to be somewhat unrealistic. The figure will need to be in a far lower price than that."
Alilovic was also behind the proposed Shanghai deal for fellow Australia striker Tomi Juric, which fell through.
"[Shanghai] like Australian players because of their work ethic and industry but they can also quickly become turned off when you have players accepting deals and then rejecting them in the advice of others. They are currently questioning whether to stick with the Australian market because of this.
"They find it hard to fathom that you may have a player in Australia being paid A$200,000 to A$300,000 gross and being offered say A$1.5 million net only for negotiations to break down, perhaps believing the selling club sees those wages and then ups their asking price.
"The clubs look at the wages, rather than market value, and that's becoming a major issue. Clubs in China can go to France, Belgium or Germany and pick up quality players for the same price. Clubs in the A-League are trying to cash in but salary has nothing to do with a transfer fee. Clubs need to be a little more realistic in their expectations."
...and then...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/65300062/Wellington-Phoenix...
Wellington Phoenix expect to resolve Nathan Burns' future within daysSAM WORTHINGTON
Last updated 12:49 22/01/2015
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MONEY TO BURN: Star Phoenix striker Nathan Burns has been linked with Chinese club Shanghai Shenhua.
Wellington Phoenix coach Ernie Merrick expects Nathan Burns' future to be resolved within the next "two to three days" but has laughed off talk of a multi-million dollar move to Shanghai Shenhua.
Merrick, back in Wellington after a trip to watch the Oceania under-17 championships in Samoa, was refreshingly honest about the Burns situation during a Phoenix media session today.
He confirmed there was a real offer on the table from Shanghai for Burns but slammed a report saying the Phoenix were demanding NZ$2.13 million as "ridiculous."
"There is an offer on the table and it's being discussed and will be responded to, as these negotiations continue," Merrick told Stuff.
"They've really only gone for about seven or eight days and we've been quick to respond. It will hopefully be resolved within two or three days, one way or the other and I don't know which way it will go."
A report in Sydney's Daily Telegraph claimed Burns was being offered an annual net salary close to A$2.5 million while a story on SBS's The World Game website said Shanghai were only willing to part with a transfer fee of A$1 million.
"The idea that we would hold out for NZ$2.13 million is nonsense," Merrick said.
"If they had offered US$1.5 or US$1.6 million – they're gone. I tried to phone him [agent Ante Alilovic] yesterday saying he's yours, you can have him, you can have a couple of academy players and a set of steak knives."
Alilovic is reportedly negotiating with the Phoenix on Shanghai's behalf but Merrick said he had never heard of him.
"Sometimes these things happen to up prices or to make someone look bad. It's the most ridiculous thing. We'll keep the player informed and the board will make a decision on what's best for the club and the player. We've been dealing with Nathan Burns' agent who is Nick Mandic. Where this other guy [Alilovic] comes in I've got no idea and I've got no idea where the figures have come from."
Burns is in Brisbane preparing for Australia's Asian Cup quarterfinal against China tonight.
Merrick has been speaking with Burns and said the A-League's golden boot leader was staying cool, calm and collected as he focused on his Socceroos' duties.
Burns is in the first year of a two-year contract with the Phoenix but Merrick would not reveal whether he had a player option or buyout clause to leave at the end of the season.
"I've spoken to Nathan twice and he's really disappointed with the stories saying he's now free and keen to go, he's got an out-clause. He never said any of those things. Nathan is really keen to focus on winning the Asian Cup with the Socceroos and coming back and playing for the Phoenix."
It is understood that Shanghai's initial offer for Burns was $300,000 although that has now been bumped up after negotiations.
The Phoenix board have a tricky decision on their hands: whether to cash in or hold tight as the club sits second on the ladder with a real opportunity to claim its first A-League title.
"Our club should never be viewed as one that's holding on for silly money – when has that ever happened at this club? It's my job to give the board a recommendation on what is best for the team and they'll take that into consideration as well as the financial side of things," Merrick said.
Without Burns and second-leading goalscorer Roy Krishna, the Phoenix were still able to score six goals in their last two games before the A-League break.
If Burns does move to Shanghai in the January window, Merrick said he was unlikely to immediately replace him and had confidence in existing strikers Krishna, Tyler Boyd and Kenny Cunningham.
He had no desire to speculate on the likelihood of Burns moving on.
"I don't have a gut feeling – I'm trying to lose my gut."
The original article has now been altered to remove the quotes from the agent acting on behalf of the Chinese clubs.
Lolz.
The original article has now been altered to remove the quotes from the agent acting on behalf of the Chinese clubs.
Lolz.
"All we want is a better fourth estate..."
[oops - make that fourth rather than fifth - we are the fifth after all]
The original article has now been altered to remove the quotes from the agent acting on behalf of the Chinese clubs.
Lolz.
Ok I might be wrong here. SBS first quote their agent.
I posted a comment on a stuff article last week in response to someone else saying other clubs would want to sign him next season, and I made the point that 1) he could only leave if he had a buy out clause (as signed for 2 seasons, this being his first), and 2) I hope the Nix hold other clubs to ransom and ask $2m IF a buy out clause even existed
2 days later these rumours emerge lol
So you write Sam Worthington's articles for him? He should pay you royalties.
It was Justin who played for miramar, wasn't it?
Justin played for Miramar
John Fashanu played for Miramar in 1982 before he was famous and his older brother Justin in 1997-98 in the summer national league in what proved to be his last games of football as a player.
Justin was a useful and popular player for Miramar (12 goals in 18 games) and very much the star player in NZ that summer, gaining a lot of media attention because of his past as one of the first major black players in England, his then huge transfer fee in 1980 of one million pounds from Norwich to Forest and being the first major English player to come out as gay. He was also one of the few major players to be vegetarian
Months after returning to the USA on the conclusion of our summer league, Justin was accused of sexually assaulting a 17 year old boy, fled the US to London and was found dead in a lock-up garage having hung himself.
There are some interesting documentaries on You Tube about Justin.
English band Elephants and Castles released a single "Fashanu" about Justin last year:
The lyrics "lost in the Forest" and "over your shoulder - a million pounds" are references to:
(A) Justin floundering after signing for Brian Clough at Forest with the two not getting on;
(B) Justin's brilliant volley in 1980 considered one of the greatest goals in English football and his subsequent one million pound transfer to Forest: "Playing against Liverpool in 1980, he received the ball from John Ryan, who continued his run expecting the one-two. Fashanu feigned to pass, only to flip the ball over his shoulder, turn and curve an astonishing volley past a stunned Ray Clemence. He celebrated, milking the applause, simply by raising his index finger. It was the Goal of the Season, and was replayed for years as part of the opening sequence of Match of the Day. At 19, Fashanu had already been lauded and labelled."
37 goals in the top flight for Norwich City in just two seasons.
Wynton Rufer signed as an apprentice at Norwich just two months after Justin left for Nottingham Forest in August 1981.
A nice summary of Justin's life here:
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
Simon Hampton @SimonHampton9
$A2 million price tag for Nathan Burns not correct, but Phoenix have rejected an offer.
10:05am - 22 Jan 15
Finally, a journo has done some work and asked the Nix to comment on whether an offer has been received. Good stuff Hampster.
That Covic playing Street Fighter II? Absolutely brilliant!
Simon Hampton @SimonHampton9
$A2 million price tag for Nathan Burns not correct, but Phoenix have rejected an offer.
10:05am - 22 Jan 15
Finally, a journo has done some work and asked the Nix to comment on whether an offer has been received. Good stuff Hampster.
That Covic playing Street Fighter II? Absolutely brilliant!
Credit really to JAYFC X on You tube. You should definitely check out his channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/stopwastingmyoxygen/v...
I especially like the Zadkovich vids.
“It is a credit to this club that we have
had several players spoken about recently with interest from Africa,
Europe and Asia,” Merrick said.
Read more at
http://www.wellingtonphoenix.com/article/merrick-...
Who was getting interest from Europe?
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...awkward... ;)
We need a proper investigative journalist we do.
So now in addition to a "Not A Striker" category, we also have a "Not A Journalist".
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
"I've tried to find this agent, that guy mentioned, what's his name? Ante Alilovic. I've actually tried to phone him because if he's offering us $1.5-1.6 million US I'm taking it and we'll give him Nathan and we'll give him a couple of academy players for that and some steak knives as well."
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11390288
What a gem of a quote. It's been said before and it'll be said again, but how good is Ernie!?
“It is a credit to this club that we have
had several players spoken about recently with interest from Africa,
Europe and Asia,” Merrick said.
Read more at
http://www.wellingtonphoenix.com/article/merrick-...
Who was getting interest from Europe?
Atletico to have Burnsy replace Griezmann when they sell him for a zillion dollars. Burnsy & Torres together up front.
No seriously, it's probably Bundesliga interest. England is getting harder and harder to get into because of permit/work visa but you never know.
Even though West Ham defenders couldn't get near him. Lol.
One of the reasons why I liked football as a youngster apart from the fact it was a cool game was the intrigue and wow factor about player transfers and the money involved.
Isn't it great finally at the Nix, we are havig this little story play out?
The amount may be way less, but I still feel like the Phoenix are hinting that he could be going.
But hey, look how far our club has come if clubs are looking to throw cash at our players. I'm sure it will be pretty tempting for Nix owners.
I really feel like we are a serious club now. We have rumours and denials and column inches (mostly bullshark) and tv time.
This is our season!
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
this may be the first time in recent history that New Zealand hasnt sold out to the Chinese.
yung thug
Simon Hampton @SimonHampton9
$A2 million price tag for Nathan Burns not correct, but Phoenix have rejected an offer.
10:05am - 22 Jan 15
Finally, a journo has done some work and asked the Nix to comment on whether an offer has been received. Good stuff Hampster.
That Covic playing Street Fighter II? Absolutely brilliant!
Credit really to JAYFC X on You tube. You should definitely check out his channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/stopwastingmyoxygen/v...
I especially like the Zadkovich vids.
“Next up, Covic vs The RBB" LOL
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
But hey, look how far our club has come if clubs are looking to throw cash at our players. I'm sure it will be pretty tempting for Nix owners.
I really feel like we are a serious club now. We have rumours and denials and column inches (mostly bullshark) and tv time.
This is our season!
Grumpy old bastard alert
Is it just me or is there anyone else missing the giggles of the matchday threads? Transfer speculation is too serious
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
F**k it sell him, great runner of the ball and positioning, meh finishing. Boyd will probably step up and kenny as well.
You started off well
I don't get why we should feel this massive obligation to help Burns out... he's barely been here six months! Not to mention that we were the ones taking a risk (injury wise) by signing him. I get that we don't want to be seen to be hampering someone in their chances to progress their career, but it's not like an EPL side have made an offer for him, this is a pure money-move for him, and so we're entitled to try and get a slice of that action. Otherwise what is the point of signing someone to a two year contract.
+1
this may be the first time in recent history that New Zealand hasnt sold out to the Chinese.
I had noticed this as well.
