Notable absentees also include Fenton, Riera and Krishna.
Notable absentees also include Fenton, Riera and Krishna.
Riera back in Auckland enjoying the sunshine.
http://memberships.ticketek.co.nz/PHOENIX/Home.aspx
Hernandez and Brockie notable frontline players missing from the photo advertising memberships for next season, possibly being shopped around - I reckon Ernie/Welnix wouldn't mind pocketing a bit of cash for both.
Notable absentees also include Fenton, Riera and Krishna.
http://memberships.ticketek.co.nz/PHOENIX/Home.aspx
Hernandez and Brockie notable frontline players missing from the photo advertising memberships for next season, possibly being shopped around - I reckon Ernie/Welnix wouldn't mind pocketing a bit of cash for both.
Notable absentees also include Fenton, Riera and Krishna.
I wouldn't get your hopes up about anyone paying us for either of them...
http://memberships.ticketek.co.nz/PHOENIX/Home.aspx
Hernandez and Brockie notable frontline players missing from the photo advertising memberships for next season, possibly being shopped around - I reckon Ernie/Welnix wouldn't mind pocketing a bit of cash for both.
Notable absentees also include Fenton, Riera and Krishna.
I wouldn't get your hopes up about anyone paying us for either of them...
Don't expect too much - Rob Morrison in the news today saying that signing big names didn't work for the HIGHLANDERS, so we don't need to either.
These are the guys running our club. FFS.
Don't expect too much - Rob Morrison in the news today saying that signing big names didn't work for the HIGHLANDERS, so we don't need to either.
These are the guys running our club. FFS.
Don't expect too much - Rob Morrison in the news today saying that signing big names didn't work for the HIGHLANDERS, so we don't need to either.
These are the guys running our club. FFS.
Everyone knows there can be only one.
Don't expect too much - Rob Morrison in the news today saying that signing big names didn't work for the HIGHLANDERS, so we don't need to either.
These are the guys running our club. FFS.
Marquee doesn't = success.
Kewell, Heskey, Del Piero, Gallas please remind me how their teams went this year?
Whilst they might add a little class and bums on seats, it still takes a team to be competitive and I'd rather sign 3 good players than 1 quality player and only be able to afford 2 average ones as well.
And FFS they have lined up prem league teams for our pre season - give them a break!
The example of the highlanders is a completely fair one.
The highlanders comparison fits the arguement, but isnt all telling the whole story.
Moneyball's legacy isnt primarily about spending less money on players. It's the better use of new quantitative data to better assess players potential performance - whether they are million pound players or vince lia.
All things being equal, Big money does buy Big Success if you are buying a range of players based a good player data.
How evs, I agree with Metal: I'd take 3, solid, competent cheapees two with real room to progress, over a single marque any ol season....
I don't want a marquee. I just want good solid players that want to play for the club and a few players with something special - Ifill, Hernandez etc.
I think we're on the cusp of having the right balance but we've still got too many journeymen
Journeymen as in solid, completed apprenticeship, proficient?
Or as in been on the books of a good number of clubs?
Journyman as in my "f888cking granny is better, and she's dead etc etc"
Sandra Redknapp sort of journeyman then.
oi you cheeky....
oi you cheeky....
I'm not necessarily saying any old marquee but surely if it's an option to improve the squad, get people through the gate, it should at least be considered?
This attitude of just saying no and then using a team from a different sport as an example of this policy not working is just lazy.
As for 9th and 5th being no different, I beg to differ.
Were our finals appearances worthless because we didn't win the thing?
Some said on the podcast that Australian players generally don't want to come here. But with the prem games he hoping it will change. Think he onto something there
Some said on the podcast that Australian players generally don't want to come here. But with the prem games he hoping it will change. Think he onto something there
Don't expect too much - Rob Morrison in the news today saying that signing big names didn't work for the HIGHLANDERS, so we don't need to either.
These are the guys running our club. FFS.
Sorry but that is complete BS - if we'd finished 5th we'd have won a hell of a lot more games, which would have been a much more enjoyable season as a fan.
The target of "making the playoffs" is a complete cop out - finishing 6th and in the bottom half is not a good season. We need to aim a lot higher, we need a plan for how we're going to win the competition because in a 10 team salary capped league if you're not trying to win why are you even competing? There is a lack of ambition on the pitch which is dragging the club down off it
This isn't about marquees either, it's about putting together a team with the AIM of winning the comp, not with the AIM of finishing 6th - the two are very different and you'll target different players.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/10004093/Wellington-Phoenix-boss-remains-upbeat
None can be visa spots, so Smeltz, Payne and Shermy?
Some said on the podcast that Australian players generally don't want to come here. But with the prem games he hoping it will change. Think he onto something there
Don't expect too much - Rob Morrison in the news today saying that signing big names didn't work for the HIGHLANDERS, so we don't need to either.
These are the guys running our club. FFS.
Sorry but that is complete BS - if we'd finished 5th we'd have won a hell of a lot more games, which would have been a much more enjoyable season as a fan.
The target of "making the playoffs" is a complete cop out - finishing 6th and in the bottom half is not a good season. We need to aim a lot higher, we need a plan for how we're going to win the competition because in a 10 team salary capped league if you're not trying to win why are you even competing? There is a lack of ambition on the pitch which is dragging the club down off it
This isn't about marquees either, it's about putting together a team with the AIM of winning the comp, not with the AIM of finishing 6th - the two are very different and you'll target different players.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/10004093/Wellington-Phoenix-boss-remains-upbeat
None can be visa spots, so Smeltz, Payne and Shermy?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/10004093/Wellington-Phoenix-boss-remains-upbeat
None can be visa spots, so Smeltz, Payne and Shermy?
Is Krishna definitely an import for next season?
Really not sure Smeltz would be of much use, surely we should be targeting Kosta.
and no thanks to musa - looks like footballer...but isnt really.
Disagree. Expect another A-League club to pick him up in the next season or so
and no thanks to musa - looks like footballer...but isnt really.
Disagree. Expect another A-League club to pick him up in the next season or so
He was pretty good when I watched him play for Hereford.
and no thanks to musa - looks like footballer...but isnt really.
Disagree. Expect another A-League club to pick him up in the next season or so
He was pretty good when I watched him play for Hereford.
George would probably look good playing for Hereford
Think you're not adequately taking in to account timeframes here. There's nothing wrong with the goal for a season being a playoff place as part of a longer term goal to win the league. And I've never heard anyone from the nix talk about the top 6 being the long term goal.
Off the top of my head, Jet (6th) beat GCU (3rd), and then went off to lose to us in the next round.
Brisbane did the same last year.
Think you're not adequately taking in to account timeframes here. There's nothing wrong with the goal for a season being a playoff place as part of a longer term goal to win the league. And I've never heard anyone from the nix talk about the top 6 being the long term goal.
Don't expect too much - Rob Morrison in the news today saying that signing big names didn't work for the HIGHLANDERS, so we don't need to either.
These are the guys running our club. FFS.
Sorry but that is complete BS - if we'd finished 5th we'd have won a hell of a lot more games, which would have been a much more enjoyable season as a fan.
The target of "making the playoffs" is a complete cop out - finishing 6th and in the bottom half is not a good season. We need to aim a lot higher, we need a plan for how we're going to win the competition because in a 10 team salary capped league if you're not trying to win why are you even competing? There is a lack of ambition on the pitch which is dragging the club down off it
This isn't about marquees either, it's about putting together a team with the AIM of winning the comp, not with the AIM of finishing 6th - the two are very different and you'll target different players.
Think you're not adequately taking in to account timeframes here. There's nothing wrong with the goal for a season being a playoff place as part of a longer term goal to win the league. And I've never heard anyone from the nix talk about the top 6 being the long term goal.
Out of interest, how do you measure ambition?
Aim for the top and try to suceed there. I know the PC thing is "To take part" but we want to adopt the "We desperately want to win this competition" mentality. almost a "Take no prisoners" mentality. You want to be a winner, 2nd is not an alternative.
Don't expect too much - Rob Morrison in the news today saying that signing big names didn't work for the HIGHLANDERS, so we don't need to either.
These are the guys running our club. FFS.
Sorry but that is complete BS - if we'd finished 5th we'd have won a hell of a lot more games, which would have been a much more enjoyable season as a fan.
The target of "making the playoffs" is a complete cop out - finishing 6th and in the bottom half is not a good season. We need to aim a lot higher, we need a plan for how we're going to win the competition because in a 10 team salary capped league if you're not trying to win why are you even competing? There is a lack of ambition on the pitch which is dragging the club down off it
This isn't about marquees either, it's about putting together a team with the AIM of winning the comp, not with the AIM of finishing 6th - the two are very different and you'll target different players.
Think you're not adequately taking in to account timeframes here. There's nothing wrong with the goal for a season being a playoff place as part of a longer term goal to win the league. And I've never heard anyone from the nix talk about the top 6 being the long term goal.
Do you see a plan to win the competition? That to me means finishing top 2 over the league season. I think we've got some things right but I also think it's pretty clear our ambition is to finish 5th/6th and reality is we're quite a long way behind the top sides over a season, even though we can compete in one off games.
I think that shows in the complete lack of concern over finishing 9th this season by the club - if you thought you could win the league then finishing 9th is a disaster. If all you're trying to do is sneak into the playoffs and you miss out then you're not that concerned are you, which seems to be the state of affairs right now. I do think that's a problem for attracting fans and players - we do completely lack ambition.
I think you missed my point. I don't think anyone at the club has a long term plan to consistently finish no better than 5th or 6th, and I don't think anyone is under the illusion that the way to win the competition is by squeaking in to 6th and then having a dream run in the post season. Everyone knows full well that you don't win shit by finishing in 6th.
I see a goal of making the playoffs more as a way of measuring how we're tracking towards winning the title. Merrick and Welnix have said before that that's the goal, and I genuinely believe them. I think there's definitely room for fair criticism about how they're going about that and they certainly haven't gotten everything right so far, but I think they're on the right track and although some things might be missing, I don't think ambition is one of them.
I guess I'm just a lot less pessimistic than a lot on here seem to be. Yes the season overall was pretty rubbish, but at times this season we played some great football. If we'd have kept playing the way we played through that purple patch mid season I think we would have won the league. On top of that we've got stable and committed owners and a coach who I have a fair amount of confidence in. Also, not sure if you heard the news this week but we're playing f*cking West Ham in two months. F*cking West Ham! Whatever fair gripe you might have with the owners, I don't think they can be accused of having a lack of ambition.
Edited just for formatting. Y'all don't want to see my Sunday night rants in a single paragraph do you now.