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liberty_nz wrote:

I would suggest that he would want regular football and not just a bit part as plan B.

Griff can play wide (and thus can slot into the system) where as Simon is a classical striker. He just doesn't fit the system Ernie is playing IMHO. Can't see it happening at the Nix. 

Citeh on the other hand would be a potential fit as a backup to Kennedy but then you would have two persistently injured strikers on the books. Also, as mentioned, can't see Simon wanting to be a backup too much. But maybe I am wrong on that.

Worse goal scoring record than Brockie. He is an injury prone cart horse up front, whose job it is to hassle defenders & hold up the ball. His style doesn't suit what Ernie has achieved over the last couple seasons, I can't see him being of interest for us.

Simon is a limited footballer but is incredibly effective in the right system. As you said Ryan, thats not our system and he is consistently crocked

I would also gamble that he would actually be the most underrated hated footballer in the HAL. He is agro and many a folk have tried to knock him out.
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Jeff Vader wrote:

liberty_nz wrote:

I would suggest that he would want regular football and not just a bit part as plan B.

Griff can play wide (and thus can slot into the system) where as Simon is a classical striker. He just doesn't fit the system Ernie is playing IMHO. Can't see it happening at the Nix. 

Citeh on the other hand would be a potential fit as a backup to Kennedy but then you would have two persistently injured strikers on the books. Also, as mentioned, can't see Simon wanting to be a backup too much. But maybe I am wrong on that.

Worse goal scoring record than Brockie. He is an injury prone cart horse up front, whose job it is to hassle defenders & hold up the ball. His style doesn't suit what Ernie has achieved over the last couple seasons, I can't see him being of interest for us.

Simon is a limited footballer but is incredibly effective in the right system. As you said Ryan, thats not our system and he is consistently crocked

I would also gamble that he would actually be the most underrated hated footballer in the HAL. He is agro and many a folk have tried to knock him out.

No cocks policy would suuuuuuurely apply

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liberty_nz wrote:

I would suggest that he would want regular football and not just a bit part as plan B.

Griff can play wide (and thus can slot into the system) where as Simon is a classical striker. He just doesn't fit the system Ernie is playing IMHO. Can't see it happening at the Nix. 

Citeh on the other hand would be a potential fit as a backup to Kennedy but then you would have two persistently injured strikers on the books. Also, as mentioned, can't see Simon wanting to be a backup too much. But maybe I am wrong on that.

Worse goal scoring record than Brockie. He is an injury prone cart horse up front, whose job it is to hassle defenders & hold up the ball. His style doesn't suit what Ernie has achieved over the last couple seasons, I can't see him being of interest for us.

Everyone said this about Griffiths too

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Don't know that people said the sharkcod wouldn't fit our system.  More that he is a sharkcod.

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Simon is a battering ram; not a footballer. The league has passed him by.

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Simon is a whole hearted footballer.. Havent watched him this season but previous seasons I have thought he would have been an asset to the Nix. 

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valeo wrote:

Simon is a battering ram; not a footballer. The league has passed him by.

I totally disagree with this. While there isn't the need for a lot of his kind of player, they have a role to play in a suitable team. I would have put the Nix in that category before Griffiths arrival. We were a team where others tried to intimidate our front runners, players like Griffiths and [more so] Simon don't allow that to happen. They make other teams resort to playing football against us and that is an environment that we flourish in at present.
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Would have suited Perth's approach on Saturday brilliantly. Nix - not so much.

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He would be a fantastic signing.....if we needed a plan Z

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But Simon has the ability not to be pushed off the ball, someone we have been lacking for some time. Griffiths is another take no shark type. Let's be honest, other than Brockie and Smeltz and Ifill, most of our forwards have always been on the lightweight side and short. I could never understand why we persisted in playing the ball wide so our 5'3" strikers could be out jumped by 6'4" defenders. This mainly happened under Ricki with Leo going wide or Daniel.

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Our tiny (not a striker) strikers seem to be doing ok so far. third in Goals for. Apart from a couple of games we have not been pushed about (Jets and WSW) but even then we created plenty of chances which our teeny weeny waif like (not a striker) strikers just failed to take. 

Although the Griff is somewhat more overtly aggressive in his approach, his general style of play is not a huge departure from what we have already. 

Simon on the other hand is at the other end of the spectrum, and to accommodate him would be a complete departure from our current, table topping style.

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Wtf! Simon? Nope.
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Hard News wrote:

Don't know that people said the sharkcod wouldn't fit our system.  More that he is a sharkcod.

And a ranga!

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valeo wrote:

Simon is a battering ram; not a footballer. The league has passed him by.

I totally disagree with this. While there isn't the need for a lot of his kind of player, they have a role to play in a suitable team. I would have put the Nix in that category before Griffiths arrival. We were a team where others tried to intimidate our front runners, players like Griffiths and [more so] Simon don't allow that to happen. They make other teams resort to playing football against us and that is an environment that we flourish in at present.

Playing a thug up front who can barely pass the ball makes other teams resort to playing football against us? What?

Simon is a nuisance, nothing more. We might as well send Siggy up front.

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liberty_nz wrote:

I would suggest that he would want regular football and not just a bit part as plan B.

Griff can play wide (and thus can slot into the system) where as Simon is a classical striker. He just doesn't fit the system Ernie is playing IMHO. Can't see it happening at the Nix. 

Citeh on the other hand would be a potential fit as a backup to Kennedy but then you would have two persistently injured strikers on the books. Also, as mentioned, can't see Simon wanting to be a backup too much. But maybe I am wrong on that.

Worse goal scoring record than Brockie. He is an injury prone cart horse up front, whose job it is to hassle defenders & hold up the ball. His style doesn't suit what Ernie has achieved over the last couple seasons, I can't see him being of interest for us.

I can't this this enough

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valeo wrote:

valeo wrote:

Simon is a battering ram; not a footballer. The league has passed him by.

I totally disagree with this. While there isn't the need for a lot of his kind of player, they have a role to play in a suitable team. I would have put the Nix in that category before Griffiths arrival. We were a team where others tried to intimidate our front runners, players like Griffiths and [more so] Simon don't allow that to happen. They make other teams resort to playing football against us and that is an environment that we flourish in at present.

Playing a thug up front who can barely pass the ball makes other teams resort to playing football against us? What?

Simon is a nuisance, nothing more. We might as well send Siggy up front.

I like the idea of sending Siggy up front actually

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valeo wrote:

valeo wrote:

Simon is a battering ram; not a footballer. The league has passed him by.

I totally disagree with this. While there isn't the need for a lot of his kind of player, they have a role to play in a suitable team. I would have put the Nix in that category before Griffiths arrival. We were a team where others tried to intimidate our front runners, players like Griffiths and [more so] Simon don't allow that to happen. They make other teams resort to playing football against us and that is an environment that we flourish in at present.

Playing a thug up front who can barely pass the ball makes other teams resort to playing football against us? What?

Simon is a nuisance, nothing more. We might as well send Siggy up front.

I like the idea of sending Siggy up front actually

Nah Boxall in the "Blackburn are losing, send Samba up" role.

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Is this whole "let's recruit more Aussies" a sly plan on part of WelNix to parry any arguments from the rabid Phoenix-haters across the ditch?

As in "we are just another Australian club, just that we are based in NZ" argument. This of course is completely beside the point that we are not in anyone's way to get their own (Canberra, Wollongong, Cairns, West Adelaide.... whatever) new team in HAL.

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Lonegunmen wrote:

But Simon has the ability not to be pushed off the ball, someone we have been lacking for some time. Griffiths is another take no shark type. Let's be honest, other than Brockie and Smeltz and Ifill, most of our forwards have always been on the lightweight side and short. I could never understand why we persisted in playing the ball wide so our 5'3" strikers could be out jumped by 6'4" defenders. This mainly happened under Ricki with Leo going wide or Daniel.

Um Brownlie, Coveny, Draper, Pavlovic, McAllister, Dadi? The only player I can think you're referring to is Greenacre and he's not exactly tiny and scored from plenty of crosses.
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Mainland FC wrote:

Is this whole "let's recruit more Aussies" a sly plan on part of WelNix to parry any arguments from the rabid Phoenix-haters across the ditch?

I don't believe the Phoenix have at any stage suggested they have any interest in signing SImon.  Just conjecture here.

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Let's hope it stays that way. We seem to have an approach to team strategy under Ernie that works, and what would you do with someone like Simon at present? Put him on the bench? Put him on the park - for whom? He is slower than Krishna, less skillful than Roly, and does not play with his back to the goal like McGlinchey.

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Simon? No fudging way!!

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Funny how similar a lot of these comments are to those when Griffiths was first linked. Not saying we need them both but I think since he's arrived its been pretty clear how good it is to have a different sort of forward to call upon.

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Oska wrote:

Funny how similar a lot of these comments are to those when Griffiths was first linked. Not saying we need them both but I think since he's arrived its been pretty clear how good it is to have a different sort of forward to call upon.

Peoples reactions to Griffiths was that he was a shark cod, they weren't about his footballing ability. He is a former Johnny Warren medalist after all. The reactions to Simon are more based on his lack of footballing ability, as well as being a shark cod.
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Oska wrote:

Funny how similar a lot of these comments are to those when Griffiths was first linked. Not saying we need them both but I think since he's arrived its been pretty clear how good it is to have a different sort of forward to call upon.

They arent comparable despite both being Aussie cods.

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valeo wrote:

Oska wrote:

Funny how similar a lot of these comments are to those when Griffiths was first linked. Not saying we need them both but I think since he's arrived its been pretty clear how good it is to have a different sort of forward to call upon.

They arent comparable despite both being Aussie cods.

Agree. Griffiths is just a cod where as Simon is just...... a cod. :o)
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Isn't it strange that guys like Deklan Wynne and Clayton Lewis can just stroll into the All Whites and look at home but they don't have a contract with the one professional club in New Zealand.

...and then you've got young New Zealand players in the Phoenix that can't even get a look in at the All Whites.

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I believe Wynne and Lewis were offered an opportunity down here but both are heading off to England for trials.

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Luis Garcia wrote:

Isn't it strange that guys like Deklan Wynne and Clayton Lewis can just stroll into the All Whites and look at home but they don't have a contract with the one professional club in New Zealand.

...and then you've got young New Zealand players in the Phoenix that can't even get a look in at the All Whites.

Definitely a bit strange; though then I guess we can't sign them all - and perhaps it's better for them playing week in, week out somewhere else.

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2ndBest wrote:

I believe Wynne and Lewis were offered an opportunity down here but both are heading off to England for trials.

"Deklan Wynne, our new All White, leaves this Friday to train and play training matches in the United Kingdom during the period 20th February to 14 March 2015, starting with West Bromwich Albion and followed by Norwich City. We wish him all the best" 

From the East Coast Bays website a month or so ago.

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Lewis was definitely offered a Weenix spot, but at that stage was heading to Millwall. That's now fallen over so he's off to Norwich for a trial.

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Luis Garcia wrote:

Isn't it strange that guys like Deklan Wynne and Clayton Lewis can just stroll into the All Whites and look at home but they don't have a contract with the one professional club in New Zealand.

...and then you've got young New Zealand players in the Phoenix that can't even get a look in at the All Whites.

I'm sure the club has these kids in mind for spots but they probably have been dreaming over heading overseas since they were young and wannna give that a go, just like Ryan Thomas turning down the FSE spot.
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Get the sentiment Luis but then, do you want all your players at 1 club? There are inherent dangers in that as much as it does breed familiarity with each other.

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I think Lewis and Wynne were probably selected because they don't play for the Phoenix. Hudson wanted to see how they did at a higher level. If they played for the Phoenix every week then Hudson would already have some idea what they were like. I think juggling what is best for the Phoenix and what is best for the All Whites absolutely shows why we need at least one more A-League team.

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Who would your rather have at LB for the Phoenix though, Doyle or Wynne?

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I'm not sure why we can't have both. 

I also don't know why people think Doyle is for the scrap heap just yet either. 

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liberty_nz wrote:

I'm not sure why we can't have both. 

I also don't know why people think Doyle is for the scrap heap just yet either. 

Agree. Of the 3 CBs, Doyle is unlucky because Manny is ranked 1 and Fenton is ranked 2. Doesn't mean he is sharkhouse.
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valeo wrote:

Luis Garcia wrote:

Isn't it strange that guys like Deklan Wynne and Clayton Lewis can just stroll into the All Whites and look at home but they don't have a contract with the one professional club in New Zealand.

...and then you've got young New Zealand players in the Phoenix that can't even get a look in at the All Whites.

Definitely a bit strange; though then I guess we can't sign them all - and perhaps it's better for them playing week in, week out somewhere else.

Perhaps the alternate explanation is that Boyd was right - going to the phoenix was a backward step so young. Footballers begin to peak at 25-28, and is playing in the a league so young really the right way to build skill/career?

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2ndBest wrote:

Lewis was definitely offered a Weenix spot, but at that stage was heading to Millwall. That's now fallen over so he's off to Norwich for a trial.

The UK academy/reserve system is such a dead end, why not start playing first team football and actually get in the shop window?  Look at Cam Howieson, how is his career turning out, Cam Lindsay, Tim Payne...

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