There is a difference between negative and actually being realistic. Aside from all the inevitable difficulties with consents etc, I still sy no chance of building that for $25m. I suppose though, if Gaz manages to get the Hutt City Council to bankroll it, the cost really won't be an issue. Just add the extra onto residents rates,
The actual budget is 44-48 million with 25 million of that from the council.
doh, already pointed out.
Build a rail spur there from the Petone station and we'll talk. Anyone who lives in the area can tell me how many good pubs are nearby?
I really think this is the equivalent of the best scene in Blazing Saddles. Welnix are pointing a gun at their own heads and yelling: "Give us a better deal or the Phoenix gets it!", then saying in a different voice: "He's not bluffing, man! Do what he says!!!"
That overall cost is getting closer to reality, but still leaves about a 50% hole in the cost IF Hutt City came to the party.
To me I still think its a means of negotiating a better deal with Westpac Stadium, be it costs or "experiences", at a cost of probably less than $30k for some pretty pictures.
Dont get me wrong, I love the idea of what they are proposing and it would be a 2 minute train trip for me, but there are so many hurdles and potential downsides in making this happen just make me very doubtful that it will ever be built.
Wow!....everyone presses the default negative button before they even hear all the details.
Fact 1....the club loses money at Westpac
Fact2.....the owners say they won't keep forking out to cover for losses
If the club can find an alternative venue whereby match day revenue covers operating costs means the the club will still be around in 30+ years time and not have to rely on being propped up by rich owners. Finding more financial viable boutique venues is a debate that has been happening in the A-League for quite a while.
I suggest every one wait to see the whole proposal before trashing it.
As a fan I think its a great idea. I am happy to travel to Petone if it means I get to sit in a proper rectangular football stadium. Believe me the difference in match day experiance will be 1000x better than Westpac......... Bring it on!!!!!
There is a difference between negative and actually being realistic. Aside from all the inevitable difficulties with consents etc, I still sy no chance of building that for $25m. I suppose though, if Gaz manages to get the Hutt City Council to bankroll it, the cost really won't be an issue. Just add the extra onto residents rates,
Great concept.Wrong location.
I respectfully disagree RR.
Vacant land and easy parking does not (solely) a good location make... and there's bugger all else going for it.
Me too. Miles from train links, miles from any decent pubs and one of the worst places to be in Wellington with either a Southerly or Northerly blowing.
Purely from a fans perspective why would you not be anything but be excited by a purpose built 12,000 seat boutique football stadium?
Who pays for it and the whole building and consent process is not my problem...its not my money. I support it 100%. The extra travel effort to get to Petone is not an issue for me. Transrail puts on extra trains to help get 10,000 people to the Martinborough wine fest.....a bus and train transport plan would be quite simple to PetRec.
From a K-Town domiciled fan's perspective, I also support it.
I'd imagine the Newlands fans will be feeling like they've had a kick in the guts.
Mate what are you talking about?
It's about as close to Ava Station as Westpac Stadium is to Wellington Stadium.
There aren't a lot of good pubs on the concourse, but there are a handful on Jackson Street with more opening all the time.
This is the best idea the Phoenix have had in years.
Wow!....everyone presses the default negative button before they even hear all the details.
Fact 1....the club loses money at Westpac
Fact2.....the owners say they won't keep forking out to cover for losses
If the club can find an alternative venue whereby match day revenue covers operating costs means the the club will still be around in 30+ years time and not have to rely on being propped up by rich owners. Finding more financial viable boutique venues is a debate that has been happening in the A-League for quite a while.
I suggest every one wait to see the whole proposal before trashing it.
As a fan I think its a great idea. I am happy to travel to Petone if it means I get to sit in a proper rectangular football stadium. Believe me the difference in match day experiance will be 1000x better than Westpac......... Bring it on!!!!!
There is a difference between negative and actually being realistic. Aside from all the inevitable difficulties with consents etc, I still sy no chance of building that for $25m. I suppose though, if Gaz manages to get the Hutt City Council to bankroll it, the cost really won't be an issue. Just add the extra onto residents rates,
Purely from a fans perspective why would you not be anything but be excited by a purpose built 12,000 seat boutique football stadium?
Who pays for it and the whole building and consent process is not my problem...its not my money. I support it 100%. The extra travel effort to get to Petone is not an issue for me. Transrail puts on extra trains to help get 10,000 people to the Martinborough wine fest.....a bus and train transport plan would be quite simple to PetRec.
Mate what are you talking about?
It's about as close to Ava Station as Westpac Stadium is to Wellington Stadium.
There aren't a lot of good pubs on the concourse, but there are a handful on Jackson Street with more opening all the time.
This is the best idea the Phoenix have had in years.
I'd imagine there are already letters being sent to the Dom Post from "Angry Of Petone" wailing about this proposal even being made, and full of phases like 'not on my watch' and 'over my dead body'.
OMG I'm drooling. I mean look at it! We're playing Argentina!!
I think this is a massive wind-up.
Clues:
1. None of the shots, particularly the aerial view, show the driving southerly with football sized raindrops falling on Petone as is the case 347 days of the year.
2. There is no tagging visible on the stadium.
3. In relation 1 above and photo 1 - "Blue sky? You're having a laugh"
4. Nix are playing Argentina... and having a shot on goal (unless it is a stray header from the defender).
So thankfully the Newlands project still has legs.
Mate what are you talking about?
It's about as close to Ava Station as Westpac Stadium is to Wellington Stadium.
There aren't a lot of good pubs on the concourse, but there are a handful on Jackson Street with more opening all the time.
This is the best idea the Phoenix have had in years.
Actually was Hutt Park.
Mate what are you talking about?
It's about as close to Ava Station as Westpac Stadium is to Wellington Stadium.
There aren't a lot of good pubs on the concourse, but there are a handful on Jackson Street with more opening all the time.
This is the best idea the Phoenix have had in years.
Actually was Hutt Park.
OMG I'm drooling. I mean look at it! We're playing Argentina!!
I think this is a massive wind-up.
Clues:
1. None of the shots, particularly the aerial view, show the driving southerly with football sized raindrops falling on Petone as is the case 347 days of the year.
2. There is no tagging visible on the stadium.
3. In relation 1 above and photo 1 - "Blue sky? You're having a laugh"
4. Nix are playing Argentina... and having a shot on goal (unless it is a stray header from the defender).
So thankfully the Newlands project still has legs.
That's not Argentina, it's the re-coloured Melbourne City.
Purely from a fans perspective why would you not be anything but be excited by a purpose built 12,000 seat boutique football stadium?
Who pays for it and the whole building and consent process is not my problem...its not my money. I support it 100%. The extra travel effort to get to Petone is not an issue for me. Transrail puts on extra trains to help get 10,000 people to the Martinborough wine fest.....a bus and train transport plan would be quite simple to PetRec.
From a K-Town domiciled fan's perspective, I also support it.
I'd imagine the Newlands fans will be feeling like they've had a kick in the guts.
Mate what are you talking about?
It's about as close to Ava Station as Westpac Stadium is to Wellington Stadium.
There aren't a lot of good pubs on the concourse, but there are a handful on Jackson Street with more opening all the time.
This is the best idea the Phoenix have had in years.
Actually was Hutt Park.
Well, this is awkward.
As you were.
if fans are fans then they'll find a way to get there. Also looking at the concept photos, there doesn't appear to be any carpark area, whats the deal with that issue?
I'd imagine there are already letters being sent to the Dom Post from "Angry Of Petone" wailing about this proposal even being made, and full of phases like 'not on my watch' and 'over my dead body'.
Purely from a fans perspective why would you not be anything but be excited by a purpose built 12,000 seat boutique football stadium?
Who pays for it and the whole building and consent process is not my problem...its not my money. I support it 100%. The extra travel effort to get to Petone is not an issue for me. Transrail puts on extra trains to help get 10,000 people to the Martinborough wine fest.....a bus and train transport plan would be quite simple to PetRec.
From a K-Town domiciled fan's perspective, I also support it.
I'd imagine the Newlands fans will be feeling like they've had a kick in the guts.
Re parking, the council chaps at the press conference said that would all be dealt with through the consent process. Said they had considered it though and it sounded like they were untroubled.
We should probably start a letter writing campaign in favour.
I think this is a massive wind-up.
Clues:
1. None of the shots, particularly the aerial view, show the driving southerly with football sized raindrops falling on Petone as is the case 347 days of the year.
2. There is no tagging visible on the stadium.
3. In relation 1 above and photo 1 - "Blue sky? You're having a laugh"
4. Nix are playing Argentina... and having a shot on goal (unless it is a stray header from the defender).
So thankfully the Newlands project still has legs.
That's not Argentina, it's the re-coloured Melbourne City.
Well the point still stands - we're still getting a shot in on goal.
#mateyouredreaming
A shot on goal, vs Heart?
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Re parking, the council chaps at the press conference said that would all be dealt with through the consent process. Said they had considered it though and it sounded like they were untroubled.
We should probably start a letter writing campaign in favour.
Suspect that wouldn't meet A-league requirments.
Looks decent enough to me, nothing flash but functional and would be a better match day experience than the Westpac.
Don't know the area very well so can't comment on the location, I'd still go when i could, i'd just hope tranzmetro would come to the party and put on a couple of special trains that go through without the need to change from the other lines, don't see why that can't be achievable. Would like to see a couple of trains from Porirua/Kapiti depending on whether you wanted to get there a couple of hours before for a beer or 2 or get there half hour before kickoff just to watch the game.., Would be a bit of a head scratcher figuring out what to do on the way back though, guess you'd have to wait or swap in town.
Great concept.Wrong location.
I respectfully disagree RR.
Vacant land and easy parking does not (solely) a good location make... and there's bugger all else going for it.
Me too. Miles from train links, miles from any decent pubs and one of the worst places to be in Wellington with either a Southerly or Northerly blowing.
Mate what are you talking about?
It's about as close to Ava Station as Westpac Stadium is to Wellington Stadium.
There aren't a lot of good pubs on the concourse, but there are a handful on Jackson Street with more opening all the time.
This is the best idea the Phoenix have had in years.
Dear Mr Hutt (can I call you Jabba?)
I think that the new stadium is a mint idea. In fact I'd go so far as to say it's f*cking ace.
I hope you build it soon and include lots of shiny bits in it.
If you need a hand with it I have a good mate who could help out (he has a ute and a cordless power drill and he is pretty handy).
Cheers
Junior82
(Sometimes the Gaffer, sometimes the Geezer - a little bit woah, a little bit wheay)
like Im going to double train to this new venue.
I was completely against the location first of all but will admit it is growing on me. It is only a 10 minute drive away from the current stadium. And the lure of an actual football stadium is appealing.
like Im going to double train to this new venue.
I'm assuming they will run buses in from places like Johnsonville and Porirua for events. Not perfect but imo will be good enough for a lot of the people out in that direction. And of course there is virtually no difference for drivers assuming parking is ok.
I was completely against the location first of all but will admit it is growing on me. It is only a 10 minute drive away from the current stadium. And the lure of an actual football stadium is appealing.
Those stadium photos are sooooo sexy I have just had to change my underpants.
As for Petone local bars, cafes etc I think you will find that the whole match day experiance will be totally different than what we have seen in the past. Gareth mentioned family areas and catering etc. This will be more like you see in Europe. The fans go to the stadium hours before the match and do their prematch drinking at the venue. There will be bars and a wide range of food options at the stadium. The club gets a big cut of the beverage and food spend which helps to defer match day costs. In many countries the earnings from food and beverage are a vital part of clubs revenues.
I can remember last year going to see PSG play Montpellier. I arrived at the stadium 2 hours before kickoff.... you could smell the barbeque from 500 metres away. The area in front of the stadium was like a wine festival. You could get a huge range of food...BBQ steak sammies, chorizo sausages, chips, ethnic foods etc. There were beer and wine stands everywhere and live bands. It was a great party and the atmosphere was amazing. The whole thing was run by the club and they took the profit. If they do that sort of thing at the new stadium then we are in for a new experiance.
The reality is that in NZ our sports match day experiance has hardly moved on from what you got in the old days at Athletic park.....shit food, shit beer and shit service. This new stadium could move us into a new era.
Looks decent enough to me, nothing flash but functional and would be a better match day experience than the Westpac.
Don't know the area very well so can't comment on the location, I'd still go when i could, i'd just hope tranzmetro would come to the party and put on a couple of special trains that go through without the need to change from the other lines, don't see why that can't be achievable. Would like to see a couple of trains from Porirua/Kapiti depending on whether you wanted to get there a couple of hours before for a beer or 2 or get there half hour before kickoff just to watch the game.., Would be a bit of a head scratcher figuring out what to do on the way back though, guess you'd have to wait or swap in town.
Seeing as the change is quite possibly walking across a platform at the station then I suspect it's unlikely. There is no simple way of switching until you get into the Wellington yards anyway so they may as ell just run an evry 10 minute service for a couple of hours before on matchday.
I can remember last year going to see PSG play Montpellier. I arrived at the stadium 2 hours before kickoff.... you could smell the barbeque from 500 metres away. The area in front of the stadium was like a wine festival. You could get a huge range of food...BBQ steak sammies, chorizo sausages, chips, ethnic foods etc. There were beer and wine stands everywhere and live bands. It was a great party and the atmosphere was amazing. The whole thing was run by the club and they took the profit. If they do that sort of thing at the new stadium then we are in for a new experiance.
From Jville 2 buses would probably be easier and cheaper (using current buses), 54 from Jville to Old Hutt Road, 83 from Old Hutt Road to Jackson St. ;-)
Jackson Street is a little similar to what Caxton Street was [is] near to Suncorp in Brisbane. On this food etc issue, surely this is a clue that Gareth's consortium will be stumping up the readies to build this stadium as otherwise they wouldn't eb able to achieve having all of this stuff. If it was owned by someone else, then the owners would be wanting to make money from as little outlay as possible and would be wanting a spotless Catering type arrangement wouldn't they? Big venues and small venues alike seem to ahve these kinds of arrangements. Here in HB, for example, the speedway have all of their main catering done by Gala Catering [hotdog trucks etc] with a small smattering of coffee and ice cream caravans. I don't know, but I think they might be owned by Gala too. Wouldn't surprise me if they had a special deal to do the catering. I think the big venues like Westpac and Eden Park have reasonably big banquet facilities for corporate events associated with and without games, you'd still want somethign liek that for sponsors etc at a smaller venue too. Just wondering how all that would work?
Has someone thought about the children? Extra travel times, bed times, school the next day, etc.
Someone please think of the children.
Has someone thought about the children? Extra travel times, bed times, school the next day, etc.
Someone please think of the children.
Has someone thought about the children? Extra travel times, bed times, school the next day, etc.
Someone please think of the children.
