A stumbling block is $3-5million needs to be raised aside from the council, Welnix and naming rights.
They also project positive cashflows for each year for the next 7 years, but depreciation makes for quite a decent accounting loss. So they propose a $1-2 ticket levy to create a fund to replace assets as need be.
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Thought the consents for those 2 hotels had already been passed.Probably wrong.Maybe someone should tell them the Gear has closed and Unilever wont be there much longer or im guessing they would prefer the locals to be on a benefit.
Latest article http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hutt-valley/9837993/Super-city-a-factor-in-push-for-stadium-meeting-told
Latest article http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hutt-valley/9837993/Super-city-a-factor-in-push-for-stadium-meeting-told
Latest article http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hutt-valley/9837993/Super-city-a-factor-in-push-for-stadium-meeting-told
I had a bit of a giggle at the quote from the concert promoter saying he would never out concerts there..... Like he has been packing out Westpac Stadium with concerts!
Pretty sure that rail is still working though isn't it? The Kiwi Rail mechanical base is down there.
Latest article http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hutt-valley/9837993/Super-city-a-factor-in-push-for-stadium-meeting-told
I had a bit of a giggle at the quote from the concert promoter saying he would never out concerts there..... Like he has been packing out Westpac Stadium with concerts!
also "there is no roof". Ah well, his problem if he's happy to lose money from a concert crowd of 10,000 at westpac stadium (which also has no roof).
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
But wait, it gets better:
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Latest article http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hutt-valley/9837993/Super-city-a-factor-in-push-for-stadium-meeting-told
I had a bit of a giggle at the quote from the concert promoter saying he would never out concerts there..... Like he has been packing out Westpac Stadium with concerts!
also "there is no roof". Ah well, his problem if he's happy to lose money from a concert crowd of 10,000 at westpac stadium (which also has no roof).
But Wellington's weather is so consistent we don't need a roof!
Is the 10,000 figure too restricting? Excuse the ignorance but is it possible to grow it to 15,000 aka finals attendance figures?
Latest article http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hutt-valley/9837993/Super-city-a-factor-in-push-for-stadium-meeting-told
I had a bit of a giggle at the quote from the concert promoter saying he would never out concerts there..... Like he has been packing out Westpac Stadium with concerts!
also "there is no roof". Ah well, his problem if he's happy to lose money from a concert crowd of 10,000 at westpac stadium (which also has no roof).
The biggest fight here is misinformation, that is what I see coming through.
People dont have the true facts and figures in front of them and make ill informed statements and decisions based on uncertainties and misinformation.
I dont particularly enjoy visiting the caketin.
Good luck getting this through, I would love to see a decent football stadium.
Concerts are clearly suited to indoor arenas aside from the larger festivals.
Shouldn't even be in the argument about this stadium. Did one of the nimbys get Sprey to come along as some sort of support for not building this?
Bizarre.
While we are talking about the one promoter saying the new stadium won't work, are there any other concert promoters around who do support the Petone Arena idea?
The biggest fight here is misinformation, that is what I see coming through.
People dont have the true facts and figures in front of them and make ill informed statements and decisions based on uncertainties and misinformation.
I dont particularly enjoy visiting the caketin.
Good luck getting this through, I would love to see a decent football stadium.
Yup. People are allowed to be against the idea even after they have digested all the facts
Not Petone Arena related but how cool is this idea http://sportsbusinessinsider.com.au/news/the-worlds-most-functional-stadium-for-western-sydney/
Phil Sprey is an even more self-interested party in this discussion than we are.
Kind of bizarre that anyone would use his opinion as a reason to not build the stadium - so if it had a roof you would be cool with it?
You could wheel out any number of people who will say "we won't use the stadium" if you wanted to.
But that's like saying we don't need public transport just because some people bike.
Phil Sprey is an even more self-interested party in this discussion than we are.
Kind of bizarre that anyone would use his opinion as a reason to not build the stadium - so if it had a roof you would be cool with it?
You could wheel out any number of people who will say "we won't use the stadium" if you wanted to.
But that's like saying we don't need public transport just because some people bike.
But wait, it gets better:
Concerts are clearly suited to indoor arenas aside from the larger festivals.
Shouldn't even be in the argument about this stadium. Did one of the nimbys get Sprey to come along as some sort of support for not building this?
Bizarre.
Phil Sprey is an even more self-interested party in this discussion than we are.
Kind of bizarre that anyone would use his opinion as a reason to not build the stadium - so if it had a roof you would be cool with it?
You could wheel out any number of people who will say "we won't use the stadium" if you wanted to.
But that's like saying we don't need public transport just because some people bike.
Normo's coming home
Gunman's point about carpark pricing is illustrative.
It demonstrates mentality.
The Trust's approach and mandate is to maximise revenue, not just from spectators but in any way they can.
That approach has led to death by a thousand cuts for the spectator experience.
On another point, the idea that WCC is somehow "still paying" for the Stadium may be financially accurate but in isolation a statement like that is tremendously misleading.
I don't think that the stadium have at all done a good job balancing maintaining the thing and keeping up investment in the things fans want ( I hate the term "fan experience"). But I don't think the answer to the phoenix not making money is for The council which means ratepayers to start injecting money - thats just a recipe for disaster and massive push back plus its a complete change in the whole model.
I definitely dont think its been run perfectly, but i dont think the answer is to change tge parameters. In the end they are making money which is their mandate from the trust principles, they just need to be a lot smarter in using that to get more people through the turnstiles
Just that simple aye. "Be a lot smarter" and "get more people". JD for Stadium CEO!
I actually think you've got it completely around the wrong way JD. The crowd is the fixed point.
The Stadium have certainly played their part in eroding the fan base. The experience for fans has not evolved since the Stadium opened. It's old and tired and uninspiring.
But even a total revolution in the Stadium experience isn't going to double the crowd. We're playing around the margins.
The issue is fundamental. Since day one using the Stadium has cost the Phoenix money. Home games should be profitable. If the city wants to have professional sports teams, they need to accommodate them in suitable digs.
Lower Hutt seems to have recognised this. Wellington hasn't.
You can certainly cast this as a discussion about subsidies. No doubt. But lots of rates are distributed in things that are subsidies.
Wellington City Council subsidises Waterside Karori, by providing them with Karori Park. Sure, Karori make a part contribution, but the Council doesn't recoup its costs and it certainly doesn't get a bit extra to put aside to replace/renovate the park.
The Council maintains a level of debt that it could certainly reduce by selling Karori Park. So by extension every Karori player is receiving a ratepayer subsidy, comprised both of park costs and debt costs.
They do that because ratepayers want green spaces and sports clubs and so forth. And because we don't live in the aforementioned user-pays right-wing utopia (sorry Wilso).
Once you accept that, the whole "subsidising the Phoenix" argument and discussion is total bullshit.
If the City wants the Phoenix (like they want Karori) then they need to provide facilities that the Phoenix can afford. If the crowd numbers can only be increased marginally, then the cost of the ground has to come down to an affordable level.
It's that simple.
And if WCC don't want to do it but LHCC do, and as a bonus we get a stadium in Lower Hutt that's a proper football stadium. Then that's an epic win and I'll salute Gareth every home game.
Normo's coming home
Gunman's point about carpark pricing is illustrative.
It demonstrates mentality.
The Trust's approach and mandate is to maximise revenue, not just from spectators but in any way they can.
That approach has led to death by a thousand cuts for the spectator experience.
On another point, the idea that WCC is somehow "still paying" for the Stadium may be financially accurate but in isolation a statement like that is tremendously misleading.
I don't think that the stadium have at all done a good job balancing maintaining the thing and keeping up investment in the things fans want ( I hate the term "fan experience"). But I don't think the answer to the phoenix not making money is for The council which means ratepayers to start injecting money - thats just a recipe for disaster and massive push back plus its a complete change in the whole model.
I definitely dont think its been run perfectly, but i dont think the answer is to change tge parameters. In the end they are making money which is their mandate from the trust principles, they just need to be a lot smarter in using that to get more people through the turnstiles
Just that simple aye. "Be a lot smarter" and "get more people". JD for Stadium CEO!
I actually think you've got it completely around the wrong way JD. The crowd is the fixed point.
The Stadium have certainly played their part in eroding the fan base. The experience for fans has not evolved since the Stadium opened. It's old and tired and uninspiring.
But even a total revolution in the Stadium experience isn't going to double the crowd. We're playing around the margins.
The issue is fundamental. Since day one using the Stadium has cost the Phoenix money. Home games should be profitable. If the city wants to have professional sports teams, they need to accommodate them in suitable digs.
Lower Hutt seems to have recognised this. Wellington hasn't.
You can certainly cast this as a discussion about subsidies. No doubt. But lots of rates are distributed in things that are subsidies.
Wellington City Council subsidises Waterside Karori, by providing them with Karori Park. Sure, Karori make a part contribution, but the Council doesn't recoup its costs and it certainly doesn't get a bit extra to put aside to replace/renovate the park.
The Council maintains a level of debt that it could certainly reduce by selling Karori Park. So by extension every Karori player is receiving a ratepayer subsidy, comprised both of park costs and debt costs.
They do that because ratepayers want green spaces and sports clubs and so forth. And because we don't live in the aforementioned user-pays right-wing utopia (sorry Wilso).
Once you accept that, the whole "subsidising the Phoenix" argument and discussion is total bullshit.
If the City wants the Phoenix (like they want Karori) then they need to provide facilities that the Phoenix can afford. If the crowd numbers can only be increased marginally, then the cost of the ground has to come down to an affordable level.
It's that simple.
And if WCC don't want to do it but LHCC do, and as a bonus we get a stadium in Lower Hutt that's a proper football stadium. Then that's an epic win and I'll salute Gareth every home game.
Smithy, this is completely full of holes and you know it! Whose job is it to make sure that the Phoenix as a going concern is sustainable - the owners or the stadium/council? And who decides when you get a stadium subsidy, is it only if you lose money when you put on events, or does that apply to every user of the stadium? The Hurricanes must be losing money putting on matches with 8000 fans turning up so how do you handle that when they are profitable organisations?
Providing parks and recreation space for people of the city (including amateur sport) is really not comparable to subsidising professional sports teams. I think it makes absolute sense for councils/govt to build stadiums. I think if you can run them in a way that you don't need ongoing funding then you will always have a far better case for convincing people - because people ultimately think professional sport should be able to stand on its own feet.
Underpinning all of this, there is basically a crisis nationally of people stopping attending live sport. I've heard a few theories, none are particularly convincing. I really would love to know why
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9842317/Lower-Hutt-to-ask-for-feedback-on-stadium
Council have voted to move proposal a step forward and include in Draft annual Plan. Thats about step 3 of 60!
One Petone resident called the proposal "The Rape of Petone Rec" . The hyperbole will get better (worse) than that as it progresses I am sure.
Trevor Mallard still getting splinters in his arse "being yet to be convinced" so in other words they have not yet finished polling the voters in the area on the choice that will be most popular for Trevor to follow.
Still a very long way to go, but a small step. Personally, I can see it not getting through the Annual Plan Consultation phase.
"there is a vacuum of facts, which has been filled with fear"
Great line Smithy
"there is a vacuum of facts, which has been filled with fear"
Great line Smithy
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
And you are right. Next up, The Wellington City Council will be charging admission to the Botanical Gardens as they are losing money in maitaining them.....
Cynical, maybe, but again my point is illustrated. Parks and Recreation grounds are run by councils, with the Nix moving into Petone, the local council will actually start getting a return on the land. Currently, I would suggest they get sweet FA. Should the Nix move out of Westpac, it will then lose even more money than it currently might be.
Gunman's point about carpark pricing is illustrative.
It demonstrates mentality.
The Trust's approach and mandate is to maximise revenue, not just from spectators but in any way they can.
That approach has led to death by a thousand cuts for the spectator experience.
On another point, the idea that WCC is somehow "still paying" for the Stadium may be financially accurate but in isolation a statement like that is tremendously misleading.
I don't think that the stadium have at all done a good job balancing maintaining the thing and keeping up investment in the things fans want ( I hate the term "fan experience"). But I don't think the answer to the phoenix not making money is for The council which means ratepayers to start injecting money - thats just a recipe for disaster and massive push back plus its a complete change in the whole model.
I definitely dont think its been run perfectly, but i dont think the answer is to change tge parameters. In the end they are making money which is their mandate from the trust principles, they just need to be a lot smarter in using that to get more people through the turnstiles
Just that simple aye. "Be a lot smarter" and "get more people". JD for Stadium CEO!
I actually think you've got it completely around the wrong way JD. The crowd is the fixed point.
The Stadium have certainly played their part in eroding the fan base. The experience for fans has not evolved since the Stadium opened. It's old and tired and uninspiring.
But even a total revolution in the Stadium experience isn't going to double the crowd. We're playing around the margins.
The issue is fundamental. Since day one using the Stadium has cost the Phoenix money. Home games should be profitable. If the city wants to have professional sports teams, they need to accommodate them in suitable digs.
Lower Hutt seems to have recognised this. Wellington hasn't.
You can certainly cast this as a discussion about subsidies. No doubt. But lots of rates are distributed in things that are subsidies.
Wellington City Council subsidises Waterside Karori, by providing them with Karori Park. Sure, Karori make a part contribution, but the Council doesn't recoup its costs and it certainly doesn't get a bit extra to put aside to replace/renovate the park.
The Council maintains a level of debt that it could certainly reduce by selling Karori Park. So by extension every Karori player is receiving a ratepayer subsidy, comprised both of park costs and debt costs.
They do that because ratepayers want green spaces and sports clubs and so forth. And because we don't live in the aforementioned user-pays right-wing utopia (sorry Wilso).
Once you accept that, the whole "subsidising the Phoenix" argument and discussion is total bullshit.
If the City wants the Phoenix (like they want Karori) then they need to provide facilities that the Phoenix can afford. If the crowd numbers can only be increased marginally, then the cost of the ground has to come down to an affordable level.
It's that simple.
And if WCC don't want to do it but LHCC do, and as a bonus we get a stadium in Lower Hutt that's a proper football stadium. Then that's an epic win and I'll salute Gareth every home game.
Smithy, this is completely full of holes and you know it! Whose job is it to make sure that the Phoenix as a going concern is sustainable - the owners or the stadium/council? And who decides when you get a stadium subsidy, is it only if you lose money when you put on events, or does that apply to every user of the stadium? The Hurricanes must be losing money putting on matches with 8000 fans turning up so how do you handle that when they are profitable organisations?
Providing parks and recreation space for people of the city (including amateur sport) is really not comparable to subsidising professional sports teams. I think it makes absolute sense for councils/govt to build stadiums. I think if you can run them in a way that you don't need ongoing funding then you will always have a far better case for convincing people - because people ultimately think professional sport should be able to stand on its own feet.
Underpinning all of this, there is basically a crisis nationally of people stopping attending live sport. I've heard a few theories, none are particularly convincing. I really would love to know why
About as full of holes as your position JD, and you're right I do acknowledge that. Do you?
Councils owning facilities (parks or stadiums it doesn't matter) isn't SIMPLY about return on investment on the asset. It's about the wider benefits.
If the council thinks there's a wider economic benefit to the Phoenix then pricing them out of the market by not offering them a facility they can afford to use is totally fking mental. Ask the Wellington Chamber of Commerce.
Normo's coming home
This is a job for a Feverite if ever I saw one:
Fan Development and Digital Manager
• Newly created role
• Fan development and engagement
• Online/digital marketing focus
Westpac Stadium is New Zealand’s most exciting and successful multi-purpose sports and entertainment venue, located in the heart of Wellington City.
With a full event calendar and the construction of a brand new and totally unique mezzanine lounge, there is a great deal to be excited about at Westpac Stadium. To ensure that they are well positioned to capitalise on these significant opportunities, this new, strategic and exciting role has been established.
Reporting to the Sales and Marketing Manager, the Fan Development and Digital Manager is responsible for overseeing the fan experience at Westpac Stadium. You will manage and grow the Stadium’s digital assets and online communities as well as enhancing the Stadium’s reputation and fan experience through community programmes and event day activities.
You will manage, analyse and report on all fan correspondence, manage all social media activities and grow the Stadium’s social media platforms. You will also develop and produce a monthly Stadium e-newsletter and work collaboratively with hirers to grow attendance at events.
With the foundations already in place, this is a fantastic opportunity to grow the role, stamp your mark and make a real impact! The role would suit someone with at least three years’ experience in marketing and communications, strong digital and writing skills, loads of initiative and a relentless customer focus.
To view a full position description, please refer to our website mclaren.co.nz or contact Nikki Walshaw for a confidential discussion.
Applications close: 5.00pm Monday, 7 April 2014
Contact: Nikki Walshaw
Reference: 6740N
P: 04 499 1069
E: mcla@mclaren.co.nz
W: mclaren.co.nz
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Should I apply? Catering, loud music, fun police...... tempting, very tempting.
True and they wont burn Ted.
This is a job for a Feverite if ever I saw one:
Fan Development and Digital Manager
• Newly created role
• Fan development and engagement
• Online/digital marketing focus
Westpac Stadium is New Zealand’s most exciting and successful multi-purpose sports and entertainment venue, located in the heart of Wellington City.
With a full event calendar and the construction of a brand new and totally unique mezzanine lounge, there is a great deal to be excited about at Westpac Stadium. To ensure that they are well positioned to capitalise on these significant opportunities, this new, strategic and exciting role has been established.
Reporting to the Sales and Marketing Manager, the Fan Development and Digital Manager is responsible for overseeing the fan experience at Westpac Stadium. You will manage and grow the Stadium’s digital assets and online communities as well as enhancing the Stadium’s reputation and fan experience through community programmes and event day activities.
You will manage, analyse and report on all fan correspondence, manage all social media activities and grow the Stadium’s social media platforms. You will also develop and produce a monthly Stadium e-newsletter and work collaboratively with hirers to grow attendance at events.
With the foundations already in place, this is a fantastic opportunity to grow the role, stamp your mark and make a real impact! The role would suit someone with at least three years’ experience in marketing and communications, strong digital and writing skills, loads of initiative and a relentless customer focus.
To view a full position description, please refer to our website mclaren.co.nz or contact Nikki Walshaw for a confidential discussion.
Applications close: 5.00pm Monday, 7 April 2014
Contact: Nikki Walshaw
Reference: 6740N
P: 04 499 1069
E: mcla@mclaren.co.nz
W: mclaren.co.nz
Normo's coming home
Life can be tough at times James!
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