$40-45 Million Soccer Specific Stadium - Petone Phoenix

John Morrison goes on a massive rant about the problem with the Stadum depsite him being on the Board of the stadium for the previous 6 years.

Haven't read the whole thread, so this may have been said before, but my first thought is Gareth is just upping his negotiating position with the RoF.  He's said they are an arrogant monopoly.  The best way to deal with that is to make them and the Council think they just might not be the monopoly they thing they are.  If Gareth can get a better price, temp stands close to the sideline, better food, fans allowed on pitch post game etc, etc., all at the RoF, he may be happy.

So if he's got Morrison on the hop already, then all good.

You make a good point J82. But at the same time, atmosphere is probably the one point of difference of watching sport live at the ground vs watching it on TV.  a smaller stadium would produce a better atmosphere, which would get more people interested in coming to games. 

So because it is an oval and seats 35k you won't come down from Palmy to see a game?

You make a good point J82. But at the same time, atmosphere is probably the one point of difference of watching sport live at the ground vs watching it on TV.  a smaller stadium would produce a better atmosphere, which would get more people interested in coming to games. 

As a semi casual attendee I must admit I'd think twice about going to Newtown or Petone. I often go to games where I'm driving as then heading out IN TOWN afterwards or I jump on the train at Plimmerton and I don't want to be adding extra time on to my trip home or have to drive Plimmerton to Petone then into town then home late. Sure that might make me a not very dedicated sports fan but I attend fairly regularly and are the one in my mates that talks others into coming along spur of the mo

Sure the stadium has probs but I quite like walking the concourse and esp love sitting in the sun for many a game plus the ease of walking out and going straight to my train or into town is great. My vote would be to work on what they have or put something in the same area

Actually, you never mentioned atmosphere being the only point of difference once. 

Summed up nicely. It really would be easier to just move seating closer to the sideline, all around the pitch. Make those seats a few dollars cheaper to encourage people to actually sit in them. They might not be covered but I doubt this new proposed midget stadium out of the city would have a roof either.

Or we could just start winning games, bring back that undefeated streak at ROF that spanned 2 seasons or whatever it was. That would fix attendance right? Perhaps even a marque from EPL or something? Would be cheaper than a new park 

Thanks.

So - a casual and a tragic both coming to the same conclusion.

Throw in Ballane (who is a foundation member).

No further evidence required m'lud, I rest my case.

IBTL

But it stands to reason that better atmosphere = more attraction. 

You can watch the game on TV with better angles, replays etc than you get at the stadium. Plus it's easier and cheaper. Stadiums therefore need to find a point of difference to get people to games, it's usually atmosphere (or bouncy castles)

Another point of difference is the 'I was there when...' Which explains why big games tend to sell better - plus the atmosphere tends to be better in those games too. 

It's all well and good saying people should just turn up instead of grooming their ponies, but you have to give them a reason to do so. Why should someone pay to travel and watch the game at the stadium, when they can watch the game at home? 

Nope. I've read your posts. I even read them again before writing the above post. And now triple checked them before writing this posts. 

Your complaint was of being far away from the pitch. 

Very likely.

Just like to point out that the Stadium has a new CEO. Who has been far more engaging with us that the previous guy.

You can watch the game on TV with better angles, replays etc than you get at the stadium. Plus it's easier and cheaper. Stadiums therefore need to find a point of difference to get people to games, it's usually atmosphere (or bouncy castles)

It's all well and good saying people should just turn up instead of grooming their ponies, but you have to give them a reason to do so. Why should someone pay to travel and watch the game at the stadium, when they can watch the game at home? 

As per my earlier post, if atmosphere is going to be a big pull - it will be down to how much noise FZ and other nutters make. Not that they are 3k in a 35k stadium. 

Granted we've been a bit dour recently but do you think punters are saying "I'm not going to watch poof ball games because the Fever Firm aren't letting off flares and glassing each other".  More likely it will be because we are losing (and possibly as a consequence the Yellow Ultras are leaving their flares at home).

You can watch the game on TV with better angles, replays etc than you get at the stadium. 

Overall, while I accept your point, I personally don;t see that as a winning argument for the TV experience.  You might get more replays and angles, but I think you get a much, much better feel for the game by being there, seeing the whole pitch and being able to select what you focus in on.  TV limits what you can see and mostly will not pick out runs before they are played to and runs off the ball that do not come into play, players positioning off the ball to receive and support, player tracking etc, etc.  You just don't get anything like the same appreciation for what is going on, imho, no matter how big your TV is or how many ponies you have.

As per my earlier post, if atmosphere is going to be a big pull - it will be down to how much noise FZ and other nutters make. Not that they are 3k in a 35k stadium. 

Granted we've been a bit dour recently but do you think punters are saying "I'm not going to watch poof ball games because the Fever Firm aren't letting off flares and glassing each other".  More likely it will be because we are losing (and possibly as a consequence the Yellow Ultras are leaving their flares at home).

Actually yeah I agree. And that is one point of difference. 

I'm more speaking from the point of view of the casual punter, who just wants to see the game. Which they can do at home. Rather than us tragics who enjoy analysing off the ball runs. 

A bit like Kiwitea street you mean?

No they're not.  The twunts can't even get "Stand Up" right after 6 seasons.