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AFC President message to FFA: no NZ teams by 2011

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The Scottish legal system is judicially different to England's too.
 
The EU is not a single country despite there being a European Parliament.
 
zinidane wrote:
 
I agree that FIFA does things a little differently. But the United Nations and other organisations such as the International Olympic Committee see only Britian.
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The Commonwealth Games keeps the UK member countries separate too.
 
The UN uses sovereignty as its membership condition, though this has not always been the case. To pick an example close to home, New Zealand joined the UN two years before becoming an independent sovereign state in 1947. Even then NZ only acquired full status in 1987 - "New Zealand, as of 1987, is a free-standing constitutional monarchy whose parliament has unlimited sovereign power." [source: NZ Parliament]. The 1947 to 1987 status of NZ "still allowed the UK government to legislate for NZ." [source: NZ Parliament]
 
So I guess you would argue, for consistency's sake, that pre-1987 NZ was not a country and should not have been allowed to compete in, for example, the 1982 world cup!
 
[QUOTE=zinidane] 
Read the last line of the Wikipedia link " Scotland is no longer a seperate sovereign state"
 
Correct - Scotland is no longer a wholly separate sovereign state. That does not mean it is not a separate country - just as NZ was indeed a separate country prior to 1986. The two terms have different definitions.
 
 
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james dean wrote:
it [Scotland's] could be reversed by an act of the UK parliament and disbanded.
 
The same would have been said of NZ's status prior to the passing of the Constitution Act 1986 (effective 1 January 1987). Are you really going to tell us that your belief as to Scotland's status applied to NZ less than 23 years ago?
 
Technically, NZ was in a worse position in that it had no representation within the government that had legislative authority, unlike Scotland.
 
When you say "It's [sic] parliament is fairly toothless" the list of matters over which the Scottish parliament is excluded from any say does not suggest it to be that toothless. Given that Scotland contnues to participate in Westminster, it seems sensible to have separation over jurisdictions.
 
Overall, given that the direction in which Scotland is moving - returning towards greater separation - it would be a bizarre thing to do to now say to the Scottish FA (an organisation that has existed since 1873) that it must disappear!
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SiNZ wrote:
james dean wrote:
it [Scotland's] could be reversed by an act of the UK parliament and disbanded.[/QUOTE]
 
The same would have been said of NZ's status prior to the passing of the Constitution Act 1986 (effective 1 January 1987). Are you really going to tell us that your belief as to Scotland's status applied to NZ less than 23 years ago?
 
First of all that's not a belief, that's a constitutional fact.  Whether it is likely to happen is for you to decide, it's not something that I have a view on.  But anyway, I have no idea how this got so off topic, and it's obviously something that you feel strongly about (I'm assuming you are Scottish) but I don't think it has any relevance to the debate at hand (which to remind you is about the AFC and the Phoenix's participation in the A-League).
 
[QUOTE=SiNZ]Overall, given that the direction in which Scotland is moving - returning towards greater separation - it would be a bizarre thing to do to now say to the Scottish FA (an organisation that has existed since 1873) that it must disappear!
 
Where oh where did you get this from/what is your point?  This debate has nothing to do with the Scottish FA.  But it does reinforce my belief that Scots are completely and utterly paranoid about their place in the footballing world (see the debate over the make up of the 2012 Olympic team for evidence).
 
And thanks for your correction of my superfluous use of the apostrophe, I'll endeavour to get it right in future.

Normo's coming home

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The last bit was more an interpretation of zinidane's tone than yours. The first four FAs in the world were, in order, England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland (NB pre-dating the Irish partitiion). The FA of England pre-dates FIFA by 41 years, so history plays a great part of the home countries being separate.
 
I would say that there was not much chance of NZ's status being reversed by the UK parliament prior to 1987, but I would say there is not much chance of Scotland losing its parliament that way either.
 
For the record, I'm English. I do fully understand the Scottish sensitivity about being treated as interchangeably British and English. As it happens, zinidane called England a province of Britain.
 
Anyway, yeah this has gone well off-topic unfortunately, but that will happen when a poster questions the legitimacy of a country that supplies a reasonable number of forum members!
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Toronto FC in MLS,
Montreal Impact & Vancouver Whitecaps in USL First Division
play for Canadian Championship, the winners will play CONCACAF Champions League

Wellington Phoenix can't play OFC Champions League, it's unfair
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
admin, why did you move my topic into this thread ?
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah!
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Because this subject and the information you included is in about a dozen other posts, including 5 or 6  in this thread alone as well as this : http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7271&KW=toronto

Covering the same ground in a whole new thread seemed a waste of time so I moved it to the most recent domestics about the Phoenix's rights to Asia.

You can thank me later.
thefever2009-03-02 10:25:11
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Back to the topic, how long will Bin Hannam be around for?

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25194465-23215,00.html

Worrying that the FFA are still in Bin Hannam's camp tho...
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
good news, haul the dictatorship down!
You know we belong together...

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
YAY hes leaving
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
But he could always return with a new name and image
You know we belong together...

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
AFC elections coming up in a couple of weeks..the skullduggery continues..
http://www.360footballnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=266:fifa-overrules-suspensions-on-five-asian-countries&catid=45:asia&Itemid=70

also

http://www.360footballnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=264:poisonous-power-struggle-will-hurt-asian-game&catid=45:asia&Itemid=70





  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Gutted. 23-21 to MBH...
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
chocnut wrote:
However I guess there's no guarantees the replacement would've been anymore sympathetic to our case.


Cancelled out by the guarantee that the incumbent is definitely not sympathetic IMHO 
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Once the dust has settled from this it should be interesting to see what the AFC have to say re our Yoof/Reserve team in the NZFC then ..Yay I can't wait RedGed2009-05-09 15:53:42

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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RedGed wrote:
Once the dust has settled from this it should be interesting to see what the AFC have to say re our Yoof/Reserve team in the NZFC then ..Yay I can't wait
 
 
Dear Mr Bin Asia,
 
Congratulations on being re-elected as head of Asian Football. You know how you hated the idea of the Phoenix playing in the A-League well........we would also like to set up a youth team to play in the NZF competition. So it would mean some of our senior players would play one week in the Asian Confederation A-League and the next week in the Oceania Confederation NZF comp.
Shouldn't be a problem?.....should it?
 
yours sincerley
phoenix football club
 
Yeh, Right!!!!!!!!!
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
God I hate MBH...
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Sheikh Salman bin Ebrahim Al Khalifa and Chung Mong-joon have pushed for the removal of Australia hence the pressure to remove the Nix by 2011 so Aus can have less pressure put on them.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well hopefully that was all it was about and now that he has been re-elected he can relax about the whole thing.

I also read today that the Kuwait/Korean opposition were anti-Australia, so it seems MBH is the better option!
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