RYOS have a handful of Phoenix away tops for the season just ended at $60 each.
I grabbed one each for my tribe. The Phoenix crest is not sewn on like with the home tops. It's a screen print. However, my daughter noticed that the Phoenix crest has been placed over a NZ Knights one - you can only tell if you examine it inside out. Is this what the A-League actually did? Were the Knights away tops the same as the Nix away tops for 2007/08? SiNZ2008-02-09 10:34:51
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How cheap are FFA ?? Yet we get charged top dollar!! same with the grey jackets. Not a complaint about the shops and their pricing but a shot at the FFA for being cheap bastards with a premium fee charged.
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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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It probably explains why the tops were never put on sale officially.
For the tops in question at RYOS, they're normally priced at $120 - so quite a discount.
What was the thing with the grey jackets?
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I thought there was far more yellow in the Nix away shirts than the Knights ones?
The thing with the grey jackets was that they put a Phoenix badge over the Knights one. I've got one of the grey Nix tracksuit jackets tho' and I'm happy enough with it. (but, then again, I've got 2 Knights shirts, a t-shirt and a couple of caps, so I'm just a merchandiser's dream. I'll buy any old crap
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Jag2008-02-09 11:35:41
The thing with the grey jackets was that they put a Phoenix badge over the Knights one. I've got one of the grey Nix tracksuit jackets tho' and I'm happy enough with it. (but, then again, I've got 2 Knights shirts, a t-shirt and a couple of caps, so I'm just a merchandiser's dream. I'll buy any old crap
)Jag2008-02-09 11:35:41
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I would have never known that there was a Knights logo underneath that. Im kind of dissapointed. But im still happy with it
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I take it that the away tops in RYOS won't have the SONY logo on them then?
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Sorry Stefan - I blame my daughter... I'd have been blissfully ignorant if it was not for her.
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Correct Jag - no Sony sponsorship on them. For me, I liked that though. I consider sponsorship a bit of a necessary evil.
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Yup, my home top is one of the 'limited edition'. Uncorrupted by the corporate dollar
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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My 'Limited Edition' home shirt has no sponsors on it now. The Hyundai logo slowly came off in the wash..
I wonder if there is a 1 year garuntee on the screen printing..
Stefan2008-02-09 11:48:18
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You didn't put it in the tumble dryer? Cold machine wash, drip dry - that's the way to preserve your tops with printing on them.
Next up, Phoenix cookie recipes....
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the guy at ryos told me at the start of the year the phoenix were having to take on alot of the knights merchandise and rebranding them. simply because no-one bought any knights stuff (apart from ppl like jag and hn) and the ffa wanted to get rid of it
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the guy at ryos told me at the start of the year the phoenix were having to take on alot of the knights merchandise and rebranding them. simply because no-one bought any knights stuff (apart from ppl like jag and hn) and the ffa wanted to get rid of it
Im my defence I bought an away strip only, very cheap well after the Knights had died. Kingz gear however...
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You didn't put it in the tumble dryer? Cold machine wash, drip dry - that's the way to preserve your tops with printing on them.
Next up, Phoenix cookie recipes....
Yep, cold machine wash, then out on the washing line.
All my other nix gear hasnt had it happen, only the home top.. quite annoying.
Thats one of the reasons im not in a rush to get the new sony tops.
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If the FFA wanted to dump it that quickly, sell them for $20 !! They'd make heaps more by selling genuine Phoenix tops - Home & Away to fans because there's heaps more of us and like the Nix, we're in it for the long term!!
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the guy at ryos told me at the start of the year the phoenix were having to take on alot of the knights merchandise and rebranding them. simply because no-one bought any knights stuff (apart from ppl like jag and hn) and the ffa wanted to get rid of it
Guilty as charged, your honour
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Can you get a picture?
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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Can you get a picture?
What do you want a picture for? It's white and it's got Phoenix on it, buy it man!
Must go, I've got my Merchandise Shoppers Anonymous meeting to go to........
Jag2008-02-09 13:26:33
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Can you get a picture?
What do you want a picture for? It's white and it's got Phoenix on it, buy it man!
Must go, I've got my Merchandise Shoppers Anonymous meeting to go to........
that's strange, Robb and LG haven't left the house yet
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They said they couldn't make it, going shopping apparently....
Seriously, I'm not having a go at Phil and the RYOS boys but, as you can hopefully see, I can't see how they can be marketed as Nix away tops if they are just rebadged Knights shirts. The two are actually quite different:
Jag2008-02-09 19:11:53
Seriously, I'm not having a go at Phil and the RYOS boys but, as you can hopefully see, I can't see how they can be marketed as Nix away tops if they are just rebadged Knights shirts. The two are actually quite different:
Jag2008-02-09 19:11:53
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Only if it were a proper stiched patch of the Phoenix on it!
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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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Cheap bastards....!!!
By the way, why did nobody buy Knights gear? Were they rubbish or something?
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Trade Description Act versus sustainability.
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They said they couldn't make it, going shopping apparently....
Seriously, I'm not having a go at Phil and the RYOS boys but, as you can hopefully see, I can't see how they can be marketed as Nix away tops if they are just rebadged Knights shirts. The two are actually quite different:
Seriously, I'm not having a go at Phil and the RYOS boys but, as you can hopefully see, I can't see how they can be marketed as Nix away tops if they are just rebadged Knights shirts. The two are actually quite different:
That's annoying. I specifically asked the chaps in the shop what the tops were, as I didn't think away tops were on sale. The answer was that they were the Phoenix away tops. I couldn't remember what the specifics of our away top was, but came away convinced. Now it looks like someone has been duplicitous. The tops being sold are the ones on the left with a Nix badge - not the ones on the right. So, I have to ask the question - who is fooling who? Are RYOS being deceived or are they being crafty. I don't want to upset anyone from RYOS, but it is a legitimate question to ask.
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Without having a dig at RYOS. who have been good supporters of the club over the season, I do think they the A-League have found a rather willing conduit of shifting re-badged Knights gear for a reduced price
At the end of the day - if people are willing to buy the stuff, then RYOS and others are quite entitled to sell it. I think people just feel a little bit used when we get sold rebadged Knights gear as Phoenix gear. I mean the tracksuits and bench tops where an absolute giveaway with the gold black and grey trims - I should add the this gear was eventually also available at the official club shop.
At the end of the day - if people are willing to buy the stuff, then RYOS and others are quite entitled to sell it. I think people just feel a little bit used when we get sold rebadged Knights gear as Phoenix gear. I mean the tracksuits and bench tops where an absolute giveaway with the gold black and grey trims - I should add the this gear was eventually also available at the official club shop.
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I agree with that, my problem was that SiNZ was obviously under the impression he was buying a Phoenix away shirt, which obviously isn't the case. Maybe the description of the item concerned should be changed to something a bit less specific than 'Phoenix away shirt'.
Don't really have a problem with the rebadging thing, it gives people the opportunity to get Nix gear for less dosh and good on RYOS for stocking it. As long as the punters are aware of what they are actually getting.
Jag2008-02-09 23:23:05
Don't really have a problem with the rebadging thing, it gives people the opportunity to get Nix gear for less dosh and good on RYOS for stocking it. As long as the punters are aware of what they are actually getting.
Jag2008-02-09 23:23:05
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I'll have a diggat RYOS.
IF they are selling the shirt on the left and saying it is a replica away strip then they need their arses kick because they should know better - it is misrepresenting the product they are selling to the consumer. It's like saying those knockoff EPL strips are the real deal.
IF they are selling the shirt on the left and saying it is a replica away strip then they need their arses kick because they should know better - it is misrepresenting the product they are selling to the consumer. It's like saying those knockoff EPL strips are the real deal.
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Yeah but the thing is its not Phoenix gear its another clubs stuff which has just been rebranded and as such should clearly be being sold on that basis.
Just hate the thought that we are taken for fools by the A League just to get rid of old stock as we are all so keen to get any gear that is associated with the Phoenix.
Just hate the thought that we are taken for fools by the A League just to get rid of old stock as we are all so keen to get any gear that is associated with the Phoenix.
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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I'll have a diggat RYOS.
IF they are selling the shirt on the left and saying it is a replica away strip then they need their arses kick because they should know better - it is misrepresenting the product they are selling to the consumer. It's like saying those knockoff EPL strips are the real deal.
IF they are selling the shirt on the left and saying it is a replica away strip then they need their arses kick because they should know better - it is misrepresenting the product they are selling to the consumer. It's like saying those knockoff EPL strips are the real deal.
Guys
this is the story..all we are doing is purchasing product from Reebok that is offered to us..we are trying our best to ensure there is stock availiable for you guys to purchase.
We have purchased re branded Knights product from Reebok the same as the club store has all season as this is all thats been available, apart from the official home shirt to purchase.
Those of you that have taken an interest in what the Phoenix players and coaching staff have been wearing all season training and on the sidelines will have recognized that they too have been wearing re branded knights apparel throughout the season
The re branded stuff has been heavily discounted because of this reason
This particular top was sold to me as the Phoenix away shirt and it also states this on the tag that this is the case. I hadnt really taken too much notice of the design till reading this thread. The top we have and the one that the guys have been wearing are similar though they are different
The top at RYOS is a re branded away shirt from the Knights days. Reebok have produced this rebranded range because of the amount of stock that they had left after the collapse of the Knights and the need to fill a gap for the fans while there hasnt been any Phoenix merchandise to purchase.
I will speak with Reebok tomorrow and voice your concerns with what the top has been called.To be honest I would rather send the stuff back than get this grief, which is a shame really as those fans wanting gear at more affordable prices will miss out
RYOS isn't about wanting to get our "arses kicked' from fans we have done a bloody good job in looking after the fans this year with apparel and merchandise.
Next season we wont see any of these issues as the brand new range will be out which I might add looks fantastic after viewing it a few weeks ago
Hope this clarifies things for you all
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Yeah but the thing is its not Phoenix gear its another clubs stuff which has just been rebranded and as such should clearly be being sold on that basis.
Just hate the thought that we are taken for fools by the A League just to get rid of old stock as we are all so keen to get any gear that is associated with the Phoenix.
Just hate the thought that we are taken for fools by the A League just to get rid of old stock as we are all so keen to get any gear that is associated with the Phoenix.
That's the key point here chaps. It's the LEAGUE and Reebok that market the re-branded gear. Phil is just a guy who stocks it for us. Which he has done well all season when others (ahem, cough, club store, cough ahem) have been sh*thouse.
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Thanks for the reply ryos4phoenix that helps explain things.But sorry it still dosnt cover the fact that reebok have tried to pull a swift one over fans eyes.I dont have a problem with rebranding stock but i do have a problem with them rebranding it and passing it off as phoenix gear with no such warning on the label.Not completely sure but i do wonder if that is entirely legal.
As much as i am a fan of the phoenix i have limited my spend this season because of this very reason us getting another clubs hand me downs.
As much as i am a fan of the phoenix i have limited my spend this season because of this very reason us getting another clubs hand me downs.
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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To me it sounds like Reebok and the FAA need their arses kicked or sued for false representation. They should have called them "rebranded training tops" when hocking them off to the stores. they are not true away tops. I wonder if shops like Ryos have a leg to stand on if a law suit was brought against Reebok and the FFA if fans and Ryos took it to court??
Legal opinions please.
I'll still be getting my gears from Ryos, not their fault those cheap bastards at Reebok & the FFA rip not only fans off but also the agents that sell the gear!
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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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Good on you for giving us that explanation, RYOS. I, personally, never thought that you had a team of elves in the back of the shop sewing new badges on things and knocking them out as the 'genuine article'!
If it says it's an away strip on the tag, then I think there's no doubt that the FFA and Reebok are pulling a fast one, but it's shops like RYOS are getting caught in the middle. I just wonder if there are legal implications for the FFA and Reebok around branding a shirt as something which it clearly isn't.
As I've said earlier, I've got a 'rebranded' tracksuit top and I'm happy with it. I'm even tempted to buy one of these white tops, but there would be no feeling of disappointment or feeling ripped off because I know what I'm getting, or not getting. I think the problem is with people who don't.
RYOS have done a great job promoting the Nix and going out of their way to stock Phoenix gear, it would be a shame if this episode spoiled that.
If it says it's an away strip on the tag, then I think there's no doubt that the FFA and Reebok are pulling a fast one, but it's shops like RYOS are getting caught in the middle. I just wonder if there are legal implications for the FFA and Reebok around branding a shirt as something which it clearly isn't.
As I've said earlier, I've got a 'rebranded' tracksuit top and I'm happy with it. I'm even tempted to buy one of these white tops, but there would be no feeling of disappointment or feeling ripped off because I know what I'm getting, or not getting. I think the problem is with people who don't.
RYOS have done a great job promoting the Nix and going out of their way to stock Phoenix gear, it would be a shame if this episode spoiled that.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Exactly, we purchase from Ryos/Club Store who purchase from Reebok. Sogoing by what the Ryos chap said, he only just found out via this thread also. So its on Reebok. Ideally, I guess there sould be the option of purchasing a rebranded Knights shirt at half price, or a Phoenix one for full, but as he said Phoenix shirts won't be available till next season. Waiting game I guess, if you want the real deal for the top dollar.
Would be interested to know if the Ryos Store has changed their instore labelling/signs for it? ANd if they didn't know they were watered down versions, why were they selling them at half price?
I'm just putting it out there.... I think it must have been known. If they bought them from Reebok believing they were the real deal, there would be no reason to sell them half price.
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This is getting away on us. Nobody is going to sue anybody.
Ryos, because they are good like that, have offered a refund for disgruntled customers - if there even are any.
I suspect most of you are whining about this without actually having parted with any of your ill-gotten gains.
Otherwise I'm sure Phil will raise it with Reebok. I'm sure Tony will read this thread and mention it too. I'm also sure that next year there'll be a proper away shirt and these dodgy re-branded jobs will become vogue collectors items.
In fact I'm going to buy one just for that reason.
I'll fetch a beer for anyone I see wearing one at Team Welly this afternoon.
Ryos, because they are good like that, have offered a refund for disgruntled customers - if there even are any.
I suspect most of you are whining about this without actually having parted with any of your ill-gotten gains.
Otherwise I'm sure Phil will raise it with Reebok. I'm sure Tony will read this thread and mention it too. I'm also sure that next year there'll be a proper away shirt and these dodgy re-branded jobs will become vogue collectors items.
In fact I'm going to buy one just for that reason.
I'll fetch a beer for anyone I see wearing one at Team Welly this afternoon.
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I fancy getting one as a training shirt, so put an XL to one side before you ship them all back, Phil.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Good on you for giving us that explanation, RYOS. I, personally, never thought that you had a team of elves in the back of the shop
What you talking about, you can see through the crack at the back of the shop through to the sweatshop.
Anyways, RYOS thats a good enough explanation for me.
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Snap these shirts up fellas..in 10 years time they will be worth a packet, stories like re-branding, badges over badges, limited supply, phoenix rising from the knights ashes etc will only add to the future re-sale value of these making them true phoenix collectors items.
Buy one to wear and one to sell on trade me in 10 years time.
Fill your boots.
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I'm not sure why anyone is surprised, back in august when everyone was asking what sort of phoenix gear would be available, we were told, (I heard this from the club, Ryos and Champs) that it would be too late to get a substantial supply of "official gear" but they would re brand all the old Knights gear to cater for demand. Thats why in October i bought one of the un sponsored Reebok Phoenix shirts as i knew they were only making about 500 at that stage. and i was under the impression that official away tops, (with sponsors logo et al) would be rarer than hens teeth or near non existent. At least you can say this is still official merchandise even if it doesnt match what they wear on the pitch.
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