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Ben Sigmund - MRP persecution

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Turfmoore wrote:
OK, I'll be accused of having Siggy tinted glasses, but here goes.[/quote]

It's not a matter of bias.  Most fans (actually, many players as well) are not that familiar with the rules.

Turfmoore wrote:
Having watched the replay umpteen times, what appears to happen is that as the cross is delivered and Sigmund moves in to meet the cross. Leijer then intentionally or unintentionally appears to obstruct Sigmund,[/quote]

Leijer isn't facing Sigmund and doesn't appear to be body blocking him.  He is ahead - and perhaps not moving as quickly - but it doesn't look like an offence to me.  To put that more clearly: Leijer is not obliged to move out of Sigmund's way.

[QUOTE=Turfmoore]Sigmund frustrated (and being prone to over-enthusiasm) aggressively grabs Leijer to move him out of the way. (Not clever as it was potentially a penalty, although this stuff happens in the box often with out being pinged). Whether the connection was an intentional punch (as an aggro add-on) or just a side-effect of an aggressive action is not clear. Knowing Siggy's style, I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt.


Either way, it's Violent Conduct.

[QUOTE=Turfmoore]Probably the only grounds for an appeal is that even if an intentional punch was thrown, it could be argued that the level of pre-meditation was nowhere near that of Charlie Miller, who received a two match ban.


The grounds for appeal would be that the League has tended to only apply a two-match ban for Violent Conduct and that this was not an exceptional case.  Priority for the club should be giving Sigmund a stern talking-to: they were lucky that he didn't get sent off at the time, and are going to be paying for his lack of self-control.
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How does Kevin Muscat get away with his attacks off the ball. Friday, a goal mouth shoulder charge a fine example.

We end up with players suspended. But he is gets away with weekly thuggery.

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bit of a drag, hopefully he'll come back well freshened up and Dura will last until he does
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not good, but prob not a huge surprise - it was worth a ban imo
 
though i expect an aussie team member would have got "2"
tigers2009-12-08 07:07:47
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tigers wrote:
not good, but prob not a huge surprise - it was worth a ban imo
 
though i expect an aussie team member would have got "2"
Was thinking the same but doubt it would have been 2 weeks for an Aussie team.Seems like we might have the same panel that reviews the warriors players and then suspends them.

Still cant work out why other teams havnt had the same charge as got leveled with.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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I refer to it as the 'NRL effect'.

Anyone who plays for a team related to NZ (eg Warriors or Kiwis) gets the book thrown at them, while it takes a newspaper article about drunken fights and group rapes to get an Australian player suspended.
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I think the Phoenix need to get some video footage of other off-the-ball incidents, like the deliberate shoulder, and show that to the FFA.

If the A-League judiciary descends into the farce that is the NRL judiciary, then they will truly earn their reputation as being one of the lower leagues to play in around the world.
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Whats up with the team....first Muscat and now Siggy banned for violent conduct.
We normally have such a good discipline record. With Durante on 4 cards he will have to be extra careful. Thank god mCain is back again...he's a class act. Not sure how he will go over 90 mins but there are very few options left.
I think Siggy might have been feeling the pressure a bit...its been a big 4 weeeks for him, what with the WC qualifiers...plus he has played just about every minute of every match. The break will do him good. Shame he didn't ask Ricki for a break rather than trying to break the guys jaw!!!!
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OK, having now seen Miller's 2 match incident, I have changed my tune.  The same panel that gave him a 2 week ban CAN NOT give Siggy a 3 week ban for a much more innocuous and unpremeditated action.  On the 2 week Miller standard it's worth 1 week (although I find it hard to argue for 1 week for a punch).
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Hogster wrote:
How does Kevin Muscat get away with his attacks off the ball. Friday, a goal mouth shoulder charge a fine example.

We end up with players suspended. But he is gets away with weekly thuggery.

 
It's interesting, eh? I didn't see it mentioned anywhere else, but in a recent Victory game (might have been the game before they played us) there was an incident which summed it up.
 
An opposition striker went up for a challenge with the Victory keeper. Both players came down in a heap and during the afters, Muscat kicked the opposition player while he was lying on the deck. If I saw it on telly, the Review Panel should have. As I said, no mention of it anywhere that I saw.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Oh, poor Siggy! 3 weeks seems harsh, to be honest, but ah well. At least McKain can cover for a few weeks.
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Muscat is a prick.
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Independant Review Committee Sentencing Rules:
 
1/ Does the player play for a Club based outside of either Melbourne, Sydney or Brisbane?
2/ Are they an Ex-Socceroo?
3/ Was the camera angle unreliable and inconclusive?
 
If you can answer "Yes" to at least 2 of these Questions you are in fact Kevin Muscat. If you can only answer "Yes" to 1 or less then you are Manny Muscat!
C-Diddy2009-12-08 09:52:15

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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OK if Durante gets a card this game then we are gonna be in a sticky predicament the week after. What would we do? No Mulligan defense please.  Wonder how Lochhead would fair at CB. I know Muscat can do it, but woops he wouldn't be there either.

I'd try maybe Hearfield at Left, Lochy center and Lia right? I don't know though. Unless you play Mulligan Center..... ouch. Other wise Lia at CB???  Please no Yellow durante!!


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PRINCESS LEIJER NEEDS TO HARDEN THE f**k UP IMO!!!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Ok despite the contact, you'd think Leijer was shot the speed he went down. I'm surprised he didn't get booked for simulation. As for the judicary, I just keep thinking Joel Griffiths - nut puncher. From that moment on, they never have had any credibility. Unfortunately, I fear the NRL similation may bare fruition. This indeed would be a shame. Lonegunmen2009-12-08 10:24:59
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Ard Righ wrote:
I refer to it as the 'NRL effect'.

Anyone who plays for a team related to NZ (eg Warriors or Kiwis) gets the book thrown at them, while it takes a newspaper article about drunken fights and group rapes to get an Australian player suspended.


Exactly Ard Righ

you also forgot the bit about the girl freind changing the sorry too when it gets to court aka greg bird
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If only Adrian Leijer went down that quick when Contract Renewals came up at Fulham...

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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i blame Dewhurst for drawing everyone's attention to this. 
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I think we are confusing Serious Foul Play with Violent Conduct. Serious Foul Play is challenging for the ball, Violent Conduct does not involve challenging for the ball.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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Jeff Vader wrote:
I think we are confusing Serious Foul Play with Violent Conduct. Serious Foul Play is challenging for the ball, Violent Conduct does not involve challenging for the ball.
 
Basically correct there, Sir. From memory, the ball was dead at the time as the corner hadn't been taken, so SFP doesn't come into the equation.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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whooooooo wrote:
i blame Dewhurst for drawing everyone's attention to this. 


No, no, our commentators are biased against the aus sides.  Don't you read 442 ?

How's my driving? - Whine here

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so if drua gets a yellow next week that leaves 3/4 defenders out so...

 
BRING BACK MULLIGAN!

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Scottishbhoy wrote:

so if drua gets a yellow next week that leaves 3/4 defenders out so...

 
BRING BACK MULLIGAN!
 
Bit like Man United I guess.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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Hard News wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
i blame Dewhurst for drawing everyone's attention to this. 


No, no, our commentators are biased against the aus sides.  Don't you read 442 ?
 
 
Blame the camera men, they brought Dewhurst to attention of it.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Scottishbhoy wrote:
Hard News wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
i blame Dewhurst for drawing everyone's attention to this. 


No, no, our commentators are biased against the aus sides.  Don't you read 442 ?
 
 
Blame the camera men, they brought Dewhurst to attention of it.
 
Perhaps blame siggy for punching the bloke!
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sthn.jeff wrote:
Scottishbhoy wrote:
Hard News wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
i blame Dewhurst for drawing everyone's attention to this. 


No, no, our commentators are biased against the aus sides.  Don't you read 442 ?
 
 
Blame the camera men, they brought Dewhurst to attention of it.
 
Perhaps blame siggy for punching the bloke!
 
 
Lol, i was being sarcastic

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Scottishbhoy wrote:
Hard News wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
i blame Dewhurst for drawing everyone's attention to this. 


No, no, our commentators are biased against the aus sides.  Don't you read 442 ?
 
 
Blame the camera men, they brought Dewhurst to attention of it.


Might need to chuck him on the bench, but where would he play?  Surely he'd be about 2metres too short to be a CB.
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This whole issue perhaps indicates the need for independent filming of our games.
What makes me curious is ...what caused Benny to lash out (if he did, in fact) in the first place?

It could certainly cost a bit and I'm presuming the MRP would allow supplementary footage to be submitted.
The advantage of having extra footage to support an appeal on a finding of the MRP could be the difference between a suspension and not... or a reduced suspension at least.
Having that player on the pitch and available could be the difference between finals playoffs or not... a fact we will be all too aware of, as we enter the business end of the season.

RedGed2009-12-08 12:55:50

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
just watched it. gee that was a load of BS from a club that brings us Kevin Muscat...


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But see thats a load of BS
 
When Ben Sigmund lashes out, he must have been provoked, when Kevin Muscat does it, he is a thug.
 
No doubt that Kevin Muscat is a tough bastard (and personally I like his style, which I think has strong shades in Ben) and does dodgy stuff, but he also showed on Friday that he is a class fotballer as well at his age. Siggy didn't hink smarter about it and as one other person said, why do it at a corner when its a focussed situation. Lets not forget Siggys rash and stupid challenge last week that lead to the goal. Was he provoked then? I have no doubt that what he did to Leijer was deliberate but then a: why bites back and b: If you are going to, be smarter about it.
 
He got caught with his hands in the jar and has to pay the piper.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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I like Muscats no nonsense in your face style, but Brown beat him good and proper to the ball for the goal which was satisfying. The look on his face was priceless

It is past the deadline - anyone know if we appealed?
Must have a case based on Millers thuggery v this one. Inconsistant
Royal2009-12-08 14:13:25
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I very much hope the club appealed this decision as excessive.

I would be very disappointed if they didn't.
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It costs to appeal doesn't it?  If you win do you get that back?

Couldn't see Terry wanting to pay to defend stupidity to often and fair enough too.

What's going to happen next week?  Durante might hold Brosque down and bite him.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
They might have left the office for the Christmas break and forgot to check the fax
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
With the way things have been going lately I can see Mortal Kombat breaking out midfield.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Club not appealing.

I thought Dewhursts comments and fascination with it were over the top

Imagine the judiciary watching that during the appeal and listening to him going on about it (maybe they mute it, I don't know)

Rant - someone needs to find the mute button for Dewhurst generally, he carries on as if it is radio, its not , its TV, we can see it Andrew!! - rant over



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hepatitis wrote:
Club not appealing.


That's a ridiculous decision.
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source?
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NZ Herald 1.58 pm  this afternoon

"The Wellington Phoenix have decided against appealing the three match ban given to central defender Ben Sigmund.

Sigmund was charged with violent conduct for an incident stemming from Friday's draw against the Melbourne Victory.

Phoenix captain Andrew Durante says losing Sigmund is a blow, but they have to move on.

Jon McKain will step in.

McKain has been out for nearly three months with a thigh injury, but came on as a late substitute on Friday night. It is likely he will have to play 90 minutes against Sydney on Saturday"


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