Surely this is a massive pisstake.
PFA chief executive Adam Vivian said it didn’t meet player expectations, who have already endured “four years of wage restraint”.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/26/ff...
I know a fair numbers of players and one thing they aren't is skint.
Feels to me like the players are risking the entire league to grab for a few extra bucks.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Depends on the tv deal really,if it goes up wages should go up.I guess at the end of the day,the cost of living in Australia and New Zealand has risen dramatically in the last few years,the cost of housing in Sydney in absolutely insane at the moment so everybody is wanting higher wages,footballers are no different.
I always want a higher wage. Doesn't mean I should get it.
You have 1 club being propped up by the FFA, another 2 that have failed to pay players on time this year, another that doesn't have a licence in 12 months time plus Tony Sage who could throw a Tinkler/Palmer at any second.
Good luck to the PFA as I'm sure the one year of increased salaries before they are all unemployed will work out well for them. Gits.
If your company was struggling to stay afloat, would you go in and ask for a pay-rise? No, you'd be realistic and know you will need to move jobs. Not sure why they are pushing this.
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You have 1 club being propped up by the FFA, another 2 that have failed to pay players on time this year, another that doesn't have a licence in 12 months time plus Tony Sage who could throw a Tinkler/Palmer at any second.
Good luck to the PFA as I'm sure the one year of increased salaries before they are all unemployed will work out well for them. Gits.
Quite clearly there is more nuance to this than this simple black and white view. The salary cap is a limit on the growth of the league, that is a fair statement. Whether it is a necessary limit is a different point. The players statement that:
“The losses attributable to some clubs are unrelated to player payments and are the result of mismanagement and poor governance and the players will no longer bear the burden of this.”
is interesting. I have no idea whether it is true, but it is interesting.
By the way, whoever wrote this statement has achieved peak aussie by introducing a new verb, to verbal.
FFA fired back, taking aim at the PFA leadership in a statement. “The PFA executive has today walked away from an agreement that would have delivered the biggest remuneration and the longest period of certainty for players in the history of the A-League,” it read.
“In doing so, the PFA has gratuitously verballed the club owners whose personal investment in the competition guarantees the employment of 230 professional players.
Normo's coming home
Not only did they verbal the club owners - they gratuitiously did so
Normo's coming home
Not only did they verbal the club owners - they gratuitiously did so
Generous of them.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Celery is meant to contain some chemical which mimcs male pheromones so supposedly if you eat more of it women find you more attractive.
That could just be celery industry propaganda though.
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Joint statement from the FFA and clubs:
http://www.a-league.com.au/article/joint-statement...
Seems reasonable, although of course it's only one side of the story
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Celery is meant to contain some chemical which mimcs male pheromones so supposedly if you eat more of it women find you more attractive.
That could just be celery industry propaganda though.
So where I can get some of this "celery" thing then?
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Celery is meant to contain some chemical which mimcs male pheromones so supposedly if you eat more of it women find you more attractive.
That could just be celery industry propaganda though.
So where I can get some of this "celery" thing then?
Let me know if it works
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OK. So what am I supposed to do with that thing then?
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Not sure if I support the players on wage increases. Seems to me that if most clubs are running at a loss and are propped up financially by their wealthy owners then that is not a good formula to increase wages. As has been pointed out there are a few clubs really creaking after making big losses.
The A-league operates under a "free labour market". That is if the employees want higher wages they are quite entitled to leave and go somewhere where they will get better pay i.e to another market. this happens already. The best get picked up overseas and get paid more.
IMO opinion the A-league pay rates should not be increased. The season is one of the shortest in the world. The standard of your average A-league player is not that great. The good players do get payed well. There is scope to bring in high quality players under the marque system.
Maybe there will be room to move under a bigger TV deal but at the moment.....sorry guys. If you want more $$$, up your game and play overseas.
Depends on the tv deal really,if it goes up wages should go up.I guess at the end of the day,the cost of living in Australia and New Zealand has risen dramatically in the last few years,the cost of housing in Sydney in absolutely insane at the moment so everybody is wanting higher wages,footballers are no different.
The contract they rejected had an increase based on the increase of the new TV deal when it is signed up in 2 years time. They are moaning about wanting an increase in money in the two years before the TV Deal increases, there is also a clause in the new deal where certain long-serving players will count less under the cap (Eg Archie Thompson), meaning that the cap is rising in those cases anyway.
At the end of the day the players can say what they want. However, it seems rather short sighted on their part to ask for salary increases when so many clubs are struggling financially. We are at an important point in A-League history, we cracked the 10 year milestone, we haven't had a club fold for a couple of seasons, if resources are managed well we could even see the league expand in the next few years...and they want to jeopardize all this because they want more money?
They should probably remember that they are a privileged bunch - getting paid decent money to do what most of us do for free (or even have to pay for!). Yeah sure there are a few who get paid $50k, but they are usually younger players, who still get paid all right to kick a ball around.
Depends on the tv deal really,if it goes up wages should go up.I guess at the end of the day,the cost of living in Australia and New Zealand has risen dramatically in the last few years,the cost of housing in Sydney in absolutely insane at the moment so everybody is wanting higher wages,footballers are no different.
The contract they rejected had an increase based on the increase of the new TV deal when it is signed up in 2 years time. They are moaning about wanting an increase in money in the two years before the TV Deal increases, there is also a clause in the new deal where certain long-serving players will count less under the cap (Eg Archie Thompson), meaning that the cap is rising in those cases anyway.
Yeah thats true and do some of the clubs even use these clauses.Phoenix have never had a marquee,neither have central coast,dont remember brisbane having one on a regular basis.Perhaps those clubs need to raise more revenue to be able to compete,but it does seem that a lot of the clauses are for the wealthy clubs and not the battlers.
At the end of the day the players can say what they want. However, it seems rather short sighted on their part to ask for salary increases when so many clubs are struggling financially. We are at an important point in A-League history, we cracked the 10 year milestone, we haven't had a club fold for a couple of seasons, if resources are managed well we could even see the league expand in the next few years...and they want to jeopardize all this because they want more money?
They should probably remember that they are a privileged bunch - getting paid decent money to do what most of us do for free (or even have to pay for!). Yeah sure there are a few who get paid $50k, but they are usually younger players, who still get paid all right to kick a ball around.
Horseshark - they deserve to get paid what they are worth. By the way, you wouldn't do it for free because it's a full time job and then you wouldn't have an income
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Yeah thats true and do some of the clubs even use these clauses.Phoenix have never had a marquee,neither have central coast,dont remember brisbane having one on a regular basis.Perhaps those clubs need to raise more revenue to be able to compete,but it does seem that a lot of the clauses are for the wealthy clubs and not the battlers.
The Nix have had several Marquees, Burns is at present, I think Ifill was outside the cap as was McKain
why dont the players simply have a sister who does entertainment for the club and get 150k for it.....oooops that didnt work out did it, they got caught.
why dont the players simply have a sister who does entertainment for the club and get 150k for it
I had to read this twice.
#badthoughts
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At the end of the day the players can say what they want. However, it seems rather short sighted on their part to ask for salary increases when so many clubs are struggling financially. We are at an important point in A-League history, we cracked the 10 year milestone, we haven't had a club fold for a couple of seasons, if resources are managed well we could even see the league expand in the next few years...and they want to jeopardize all this because they want more money?
They should probably remember that they are a privileged bunch - getting paid decent money to do what most of us do for free (or even have to pay for!). Yeah sure there are a few who get paid $50k, but they are usually younger players, who still get paid all right to kick a ball around.
Horseshark - they deserve to get paid what they are worth. By the way, you wouldn't do it for free because it's a full time job and then you wouldn't have an income
Considering the number of clubs losing money, does that mean they are currently worth less than they are being paid?
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Yeah thats true and do some of the clubs even use these clauses.Phoenix have never had a marquee,neither have central coast,dont remember brisbane having one on a regular basis.Perhaps those clubs need to raise more revenue to be able to compete,but it does seem that a lot of the clauses are for the wealthy clubs and not the battlers.
The Nix have had several Marquees, Burns is at present, I think Ifill was outside the cap as was McKain
The FFA grants currently covers the salary cap for each team, so long as they match any increase in cap the clubs will be no worse off than they are now.
The PFA & FFA are in dispute regarding some Socceroos payments, so I wouldnt be surprised if the new CBA is being used as leverage against the FFA in that dispute.
Yeah thats true and do some of the clubs even use these clauses.Phoenix have never had a marquee,neither have central coast,dont remember brisbane having one on a regular basis.Perhaps those clubs need to raise more revenue to be able to compete,but it does seem that a lot of the clauses are for the wealthy clubs and not the battlers.
The Nix have had several Marquees, Burns is at present, I think Ifill was outside the cap as was McKain
Yeah thats true and do some of the clubs even use these clauses.Phoenix have never had a marquee,neither have central coast,dont remember brisbane having one on a regular basis.Perhaps those clubs need to raise more revenue to be able to compete,but it does seem that a lot of the clauses are for the wealthy clubs and not the battlers.
The Nix have had several Marquees, Burns is at present, I think Ifill was outside the cap as was McKain
Ahmad Elrich in season one also (lest we forget).
At the end of the day the players can say what they want. However, it seems rather short sighted on their part to ask for salary increases when so many clubs are struggling financially. We are at an important point in A-League history, we cracked the 10 year milestone, we haven't had a club fold for a couple of seasons, if resources are managed well we could even see the league expand in the next few years...and they want to jeopardize all this because they want more money?
They should probably remember that they are a privileged bunch - getting paid decent money to do what most of us do for free (or even have to pay for!). Yeah sure there are a few who get paid $50k, but they are usually younger players, who still get paid all right to kick a ball around.
Horseshark - they deserve to get paid what they are worth. By the way, you wouldn't do it for free because it's a full time job and then you wouldn't have an income
I'm possibly taking things out of context here, but according to your argument someone is worth 100-150 THOUSAND POUND per week, whilst the majority of the people in the work force won't earn that much in a year?
The A-League isn't the EPL of course, but I fail to see how they can even think of negotiating pays right now. As others have said, if you knew your company was going through a rough patch, would you still ask for a pay rise, or even possibly go on strike if you don't get one?
I still believe most professional footballers around the world are a privileged bunch.
Yeah thats true and do some of the clubs even use these clauses.Phoenix have never had a marquee,neither have central coast,dont remember brisbane having one on a regular basis.Perhaps those clubs need to raise more revenue to be able to compete,but it does seem that a lot of the clauses are for the wealthy clubs and not the battlers.
McKay and Broich are roars Marquees.
Apparently the PFA want 30% of every clubs' revenue put into a pool for player payment.
Do they seriously think that taking revenue away from already financially fragile clubs is a good idea?
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How long is a football career, for most footballers who ever get to the level of being paid to play?
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Not long, but there's plenty of options afterwards - coaching, personal training, sports administration etc. Let alone all the random jobs that everyone else looks at. Anyway, that's a red herring. The market decides the pay rate and the employer decides if they want to enter that industry. People go into jobs which don't pay much for a variety of reasons - not the least of which is that they want to do it. Also plenty of people change careers midway through life. And you can study part time by distance to set yourself up with a career after sport while you are playing.
Having to retire from playing in you mid 30s doesn't mean you should get 45 years pay crammed into 15 years work. Unless your skills mean that that the market pays you that much (for instance, EPL stars)
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How long is a football career, for most footballers who ever get to the level of being paid to play?
Do their legs and arms fall off when they retire from football? While playing football they should be setting up their future either through Investments, study etc, and it is pretty common that this is now part of the education young players receive.
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