Coaching conjecture... (Doom Mongers Utd)

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Question or not....climb back under your rock and show some loyalty and support!!!

Phoenix til I die!!

Proud to be part of "RICKI HERBERTS YELLOW ARMY!!!"

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

To early to be looking at getting rid of RH. If performances don't get better and results don't come, then a public review would be done around round 15. More likely a closed door review done round 10 but 5/6 weeks to tap up a new manager.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think hes woefully out of his league, but hope he proves me wrong.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

On paper everyone agrees we have the players, albeit we are short of another striker.

Last year I also thought we had a reasonable bunch of players with one or two exceptions... El**ch was the obvious one, O'Dor, etc. It's was easy to use them as an excuse.

This year though we have good players playing badly.

Herbert has got it wrong, good players don't become bad players overnight (McKain, Dodd, Durante, Lockhead, etc).

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think Herbert's the man for the job. I had my doubts last year when he insisted on keeping failth with El**ch and a few others... now this year he's got the men but the team seems clueless. That's the coaching, not the players. They'll always look bad if the tactics and style is wrong.

i.e.

v Queensland - played long ball in good, short ball conditions. Our much vaunted fitness should have killed them with a short ball game.

v Melbourne - we played short ball game when it was long ball conditions. the opposition showed us how it's done (even Merrick said that had been the tactics in those conditions)

v Adelaide - we played long ball to no target man, didn't put any pressure on their back four at all, they picked us off at will from the back.

Anyone who plays knows you do what you are told to do by the coach, 3 games so far have proven the tactics have wrong

Herbert's got it all wrong? Food for thought...........

p.s. if he get's the chop, Hard News etc will be flogging Retro Ricki's off as dusters

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I wasn't 'whining'............

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

There have been seven threads started on this subject in 24 hours when there was already one. I'm getting f**ked off with lazy bastards.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

What makes it worse is that its only been 2 loses. Admittedly we played awful....but still....

It's worse then when the All Blacks lose.Gangsta!2008-09-01 20:55:38

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

gee hasn't this been handbags?

sorry did the 'Nix just host the preseason cup final at HOME a few weeks back, and do actually fairly bloody damn well in that too?

Sure at the moment the team isn't playing cohesively, which is a worry, but that's when we need to get everyone out and support them...

but for the goal post not being sanded on Kwasies shot we would have won against QLD...sure there are expectations now and things are a bit tougher...but our players didn't become crap overnight- all it will take is a couple of good goals in the right place and a determined defensive effort and we will be looking like title contenders again.

injuries and things a bit of a bugger- stick to our guns and ride it out...and get some YF support behind them!!

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

yeah the Adelaide game's over - let's stop the emo cryfests, at least til after a few more games

I like tautologies because I like them.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Get behind your team and get behind Ricki....FFS!!!

By all means debate it cos we've had a poor start to the season but don't call for his head....have faith and support the boys and our coach.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Mykey has mentioned a point that I've been thinking of all day. Are there internal issues within the club? I don't want to speculate but players and coach are not going to perform and be fully committed to the club if they are disheartened and unhappy. Given the performance of the team since the pre-season it's got me wondering whats happened recently behind the scenes .

They all gona need a lot of support at this CM game.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Couple of bad results and people jump on thier back. Some people need a chill pill. The NZ sporting public (generalisation) are so bloody fickle sometimes.

Its not the results Im bothered about. Its the performances, they are nothing short of dire and are unacceptable at any level

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

FFS the chant goes "Phoenix till I die"

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

sneakyrat wrote:

FFS the chant goes "Phoenix till I die"

Yes, but what people don't seem to understand is that it is the football club called Wellington Phoenix that you are supporting and chanting for, not the players and staff that make up the club. If you want Wellington Phoenix to do well, then it is natural that you will begin to question when things go awry, as they have been doing.

"Phoenix till I die" means that you support the club, and as a supporter surely you have to question the pitiful display versus Adelaide.

Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

We did this to death last season at one stage. Part of supporting any team is that you have the right to criticise, doesn't mean you're any less of a fan for raising concerns about sh*t performances.

Think all the wailing and gnashing of teeth is a bit premature tho'. Almost seems that there a few people just waiting for Ricki to f**k up so they can stick the knife in.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Some of you miss the point. The knives AREN'T out based on just 3 performances this year, there have been concerns last year too. The question remains the same for me. Does RH know what he's doing based on continued utilisation of poor players last year and getting tactics so woefully wrong this year (not playing to conditions v Melbourne as the prime example)?

My expressing concerns about his ability does not make me any less a supporter of the club,

wash yer mouth ooot!

Also, Mr Pork Scratchings (yes you know who you are), I'm not lazy, just glad to know you've got all day to consolodate things.

End of bleat.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Mossy wrote:

...........expressing concerns about his ability does not make me any less a supporter of the club........

Didn't I say just that?

Least you voiced your concerns constructively. Good man.

Me, I'm prepared to give Ricki a bit longer but, obviously, if the situation doesn't improve it'll have to be looked at

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Mossy wrote:

.......Also, Mr Pork Scratchings (yes you know who you are), I'm not lazy, just glad to know you've got all day to consolodate things.

End of bleat.

I can see the Banstick coming out...........

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:

Mossy wrote:

.......Also, Mr Pork Scratchings (yes you know who you are), I'm not lazy, just glad to know you've got all day to consolodate things.

End of bleat.

I can see the Banstick coming out...........

It's OK, I keep him supplied with the scratchings.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Cosimo wrote:

well i'm sure we have better players this year, but for some reason we are not playing as a team - it's weird

Real Madrid Syndrome

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Your a muppet cade

We showed way to much in pre-season ricki got carried away and clubs found out how to stop us.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think the " maybe its time to look at the coach brigade" have some justifiable reasons. If your team gets beaten by a better team on the day and as a supporter you know they tried then you can live with that.

But FFS we have shipped 7 goals in the last two matches. You can blame the players but you also need to look at the coach. Mulligan, MCain, Durante and Lockhead are all good experianced players, as good as anything in the A-League. So whats gone wrong? They were tight as a drum in preseason.

We defended like crap last year.....we bought in class players and we are defending like crap again....so why not look at the coach. The coach does the formations and the defensive tactics. To me there is something wrong with the space we are leaving in front of the back four....we loose possetion and the opposition flood into this empty zone.

This is a real test of Rickies abilities. Coaching the AW's in short tours is completly different to coaching in a league format where you are under the gun week in and week out. TBH Mr Herbert has little experiance in this. He won't be given the chop now but if things do not improve drastically by round 9 or 10 expect to see Stu Jacobs as caretaker coach for the rest of the season.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Why would they bring Stu Jacobs in when he is less experienced than Herbert and was let go by the club as an assistant after last season? That is ridiculous

Questions will be asked though for all the reasons you set out zidane. But, no-one's a winner or a loser three games into the season. Let's make our judgements a little further down the track.

Normo's coming home

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Bran wrote:

So why are you doing it then? Or do you have a hint of internal upset? No...didn't think so

james dean2008-09-04 04:34:48

Normo's coming home

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

Why would they bring Stu Jacobs in when he is less experienced than Herbert and was let go by the club as an assistant after last season? That is ridiculous

Questions will be asked though for all the reasons you set out zidane. But, no-one's a winner or a loser three games into the season. Let's make our judgements a little further down the track.

What he said

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

Bran wrote:

So why are you doing it then? Or do you have a hint of internal upset? No...didn't think so

Lets put this to rest, here is a quote from the captain, in todays Dom Post,....

"Durante said the camp was still a happy one and if anything, the slump they find themselves in would help build camaraderie."

Byeee

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Here are the key points Durante raised in today's Dom Post article in the context of the Nix's poor recent performances - and I applaude his honesty and committment to get the Nix back on track;

Lack of intensity at training.

Fatigue after pre-season.

Training not enjoyable.

Part time coach (my interpretation of his comment about Herbert being absent for close to 2 weeks with All Whites).

Constant changing of formation.

He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

this is the article being referred to

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Speaking of Durante, his words after the game and in this article today have been applauded for being honest and letting us know that they played "garbage". The only thing he hasn't done is apologised to the fans, which if they play like that again I'd be expecting. To me, this is the guy that should have been screaming and barking at the players on the field to start tackling and show some heart during the game and to pick things up, not give us a comprehensive run down on how bad they were afterwards.

While I think Durante has a huge role to play in the side, the subject remains about on-field leadership. I don't have the answer who may be the best captain, and he may be the best of the bunch, but someone needs to start telling (or gesturing) to the likes of Gao, Johnson etc to start pulling their heads in and do some f**king hard work! He was near enough to Lochead and Mulligan to get in their ears so why were they drifting in and out of position and getting caught out? I think Ricki has to shoulder a lot of the blame and Durante has been honest afterwards, but we are missing a hard nut to scare the life out of these guys and make them play and to stop trying to look pretty.

The only players, McCain aside, that showed plenty of grit and commitment seem to come off the bench last week - start them! We'll be forced t start plenty of the guys that were spineless against Adelaide due to lack of depth so how will Ricki motivate them?

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Curbishleys looking for a new job.He comes to our shores often I hear

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Kevin Keegan! :P

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Daikiwi wrote:

Three games into a season packed with promising new players, a fine pre-season and then, a string of poor performances, each one worse than the last. Crowds dropping, media start deriding - same old Kingz, Knights, Phoenix. Been there before haven't we.

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Not so easy supporting a football team is it guys?

Bloody easy if you've been a THFC fan all your life. Like home from home

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zinidane wrote:

expect to see Stu Jacobs as caretaker coach for the rest of the season.

We do actually have an assistant coach in O'Sullivan who while he has the title of 'Sports Analyst' could take over as caretaker. If he has the required qualifications.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jeez, i have a week away from the forums, and come in and see this thread...chill out boys, the season is young, sh*t happens and things will improve. Granted, the PSC prob increased everyones expectations 10 fold, but lets not get all jumpy and start calling for the sack, we're three games into it. if this streak stretches out past 5 then *maybe* it'll be acceptable.

its sport, and generally someone loses...sadly its been our lot recently but chin up and keep the faith. i know a few people on here will be a bit down on the results, but imagine how the boys are feeling.

smile folks, it'll improve

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I guess my call for Jacobs as coach if we are still shiite by round 8 is a little crazy.

But I still maintain that there are huge problems....you don't mind loosing 0-1 if its a tough match and your team fights all the way. Thats just football.

I just did not expect us to be dead last on the table with a minus 5 goal difference after only 3 games. I didn't expect the Phoenix to make top four...I just want them to play with guts and pride every week.

This next game obviously is very important.....having the gaffer away on international duty can't help

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

felipe wrote:

Curbishleys looking for a new job.He comes to our shores often I hear

sister lives out here i hear felipe

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I love this stuff, the players screw up on the pitch, and the coach gets it in the neck.

If the players are so quality, shouldn't that quality come through on the pitch, irrespective of where they've been asked to play etc etc?

I do think the players are better than they are playing, I think they are in the right positions, if they play crap, why is that entirely RH's fault?

BTW, everyone seems to forget that by playing in the PS cup final, this is the most succesful season for an NZ team involved in the A-League ALREADY.

Coaching decisions should be made at the end of the season IMO. What coach do you know that has taken over half way through a season, and gone on to glory?

Give the man and the team a chance to work through their problems before withdrawing your support at the early signs of wobbles, before calling heads to roll!

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Rainman wrote:

BTW, everyone seems to forget that by playing in the PS cup final, this is the most succesful season for an NZ team involved in the A-League ALREADY.

The PSC isn't the A-League, so how have we been succesful? One season for last isn't succesful.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

In so far as no team involved in the A-League in the past has made it to a PSC final, hence, more succesfull than any other team involved in the A-League. Agree, PSC is not the league. Didn't say in the A-League itself..

'Scuse me while I go and have a drink from my cup that's half full..

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

It won't be if you have a drink out of it.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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