Coaching conjecture... (Doom Mongers Utd)

Coaching conjecture... (Doom Mongers Utd)

...will Terry begin to question Ricky as a suitable coach?
He's made a hell of an invesment and when we played with such little passion and effort, something has to give.

Thoughts please

agreed. i'd say a review in 5 matches wood be fair.

As I said elsewhere, if it is as bad against CCM, then I'm sure notice will be given; improve or yer out, pal. Until then Terry will (at least publicly) back him.

Someone somewhere it may have been on here made an intersting point, until this year Ricki has never coached a team at a high standard where people have expected him to do well, last season people were willing to give him a go, with the knights no-one expected much and with the all whites we play easy teams then if we lost to the asian 5th place team no-one will have expected us to do much more.
People who know more than i may prove me completely wrong but i think it is an interesting point

if anyone has an idea for a better coach other than ricki please PM me NOW

the pressure will mount if anything less than 3 points is the result against a beatable central coast outfit.

Play like that every week, we will be challenging the NZK 9 points come end of the season.

despite being backed by the best chairman ever in nz club soccer ricki herbert is struggling to live up to the hype generated around him tigers2008-08-31 09:41:39

Perhaps RH is too much of a nice guy.
Instead of sitting back on the bench watching your team play like a high school 3rd XI, perhaps you should actually get right to the edge of the technical zone and scream at the players, and remind them that there is a little word called effort.
Not much comes without it. So much has been done for this franchise yet the players have yet to repay the long hours and funds put into this club.

I was disgusted by the way we held back or when we got the ball in the first half, just giving it away.

If we don't begin to play with passion and respect for one another in the next 3 games then something has to give. There are plenty of coaches out there and I'm sure Terry has plenty of contacts. The double role thing is ridiculous too.

Communication, a sense of leadership amongst the team, and the drive to do us proud and the Phoenix name proud is all I'm asking for.

Ricki in the end can only be blamed so far if the players are being lazy, hell Guus Hiddink couldn't have won last night with how lazy our players were, no tactics can work if the players won't make the effort. I think Durante would've gone and sorted them out.

well i'm sure we have better players this year, but for some reason we are not playing as a team - it's weird

with the china tour cancelled it was a long pre-season - i wonder if palyers got into some bad  habits re passion/attitude

considering the pre season form and all the hype this is fast becoming a worse start than last season.

I am speechless.

If this goes on for 5 games then something has to change. I would have to support someone else at the helm.

I havent taken a decent dump in weeks.

ricki is he being found out

i hate how 3 games in everyones out to sack the coach.

its not just 3 games is it

WAIT WAIT WAIT.
Rikki has NO EXPERIENCE coaching at a professional club before the Nix (barring the Knights)
Look at the other coaches:
-Aurelio Vidmar had 2 years as Adeliede Assistant Coach (where the made the playoffs twice)
-Lawrie McKinna was head coach at Northern Spirit and assistant at Sydney and Parramatta.
-Gary Von Egmond was assistant at the Jetz and was assistant at Newcastle in the NSL.
-Ernie Merrick- A coach in the VPL or other high Capacity for around 30 years (State Leagues are a higher level than Central United) and with Preston Lions in the NSL.
-Kosmina coached Adeliede to the ACL and in the NSL.
- David Mitchell coached in the NSL and pro in Malaysia
- Farina coached Brisbane, Marconi and Australia.

LETS FACE IT. WE HAVE THE MOST INEXPERIENCED COACH IN THE LEAGUE WHO HASN'T BEEN EVEN AN ASSISTANT AT A PROFESSIONAL CLUB,  AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE NO CLUE ON THE PARK!

disco_mart2008-09-01 02:36:29

Three games into a season packed with promising new players, a fine pre-season and then, a string of poor performances, each one worse than the last. Crowds dropping, media start deriding - same old Kingz, Knights, Phoenix. Been there before haven't we.

Questions will need to be asked if we don't get at least one from the CCM game and three from the Perth game, both are ripe for the picking. CCM with injury issues and Pert are rubbish.

In the result-oriented world that the Phoenix are a part of the coach needs to be from the mind-set of win at all costs and not care what anyone thinks about him. Winning as a coach is part of their make-up and it must happen whether they are coaching an U21 representative side or Brazil. The best coaches in the world win and try and win every single match they coach. Coaching credentials, experience etc does not stop that, they just try and win every game by any means available to them.

Let's be honest until this week the coaches under the most pressure within NZ to win every match and titles etc are the coaches appointed year in and year out at Auckland City and Waitakere. Up to this weekend that same pressure has never been applied to the Phoenix, Knights or Kingz. Now the pressure is there and it is pressure that Ricki has never had to face as he hasn't been under that winning pressure in his entire coaching career.

People continually spout all sorts of information about Ricki's coaching record but it is not a record of someone who wins continually. Apart from winning the league with Central (when they had every player under the sun) Ricki has flattered to deceive in every coaching job he has had and yet he continually gets employed because he is a nice safe option. Senior players are walking away from the All Whites in the middle of a campaign at 31 years of age - what is that about???

We have had so-called professional coaches like Peterson, Simmons, Nevin etc and yet we have got nowhere. I don't believe that there is an easy answer but what the Phoenix need is a tough, strong minded and winning coach who won't accept excuses and will just demand and expect performances that will reflect points.

There are individuals throughout the game who players play for and would never ever perform like that as they know there will be consequences. Imagine Fergusson's response to that performance - I believe the Hair Dryer treatment would have hit all players and some of them would never play again.

I'll just quote the last sentence of the letter from Ricki that comes with your season pass.

"You have risen to the challenge, now it's our turn to do the same."

I'm not going to call for Ricki's blood, not yet.  We've got to see Ricki's mettle and ability to pull his team out of this lull before we go tearing into him.  He knows we expect results so he's got to find some way to get the passion back into the Phoenix.  As it was on Saturday pretty much the whole team had the El**ch disease and strolled around like they didn't care.

I really hope this season doesn't end up like the Kingz 3rd season.

On paper we have a great team, the pre season was good. Excitement levels were way up and then our first game was poor, 2nd game worse and by the 3 our capitan is stating the obvious.

Three games into a league that doesn't have relegation? Wot pressure ?! Like the NZFC this league should be a no-pressure situation - as long as the side is playing the sort of football that gets punters wanting to come along and watch.

rodfarva2008-09-01 15:48:50

We as yellowfever supporters should look at ourselves and who do we chant for?? is it not ricki herbert and the phoenix??  As for rickis experience he has coached the all whites and got us our first win on european soil ever, has lead us to a win away from the playoffs against the 5th place asian team and also taken the nix to the pre-season cup final.  The old saying is you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make it drink.  maybe our horses need a bit of watering and nows the time to do it during this international break.  As for ricki...LET HIM BE

 

There won't be a Phoenix club to chant for if Ricky Herbert and his players don't turn this around. If you were Terry Serepisos, would you honestly keep investing in a side which plays like that - that was the worst display by a NZ side at that trans-tasman level ever. The body language on the field and on the bench was appalling. So much so, it made you wonder if there is some major internal issue that no-one knows about. Don't these players realise Wellington isn't some heritage English football town that'll always be around. This is it guys. You had Wellington rugby more than keeping an eye on you since your debut season and crowd support - but you are two matches (tops) away from blowing it forever. The Wellington rugby team's top of the NPC, and that's where those swinging fans will take their $25 next week. It won't be to watch the Phoenix.

Just a question??

He's got two already... that should be plenty to keep him occupied I reckon.

Mykey - I agree with you that the honeymoon is over for the Nix -  the novelty appeal has gone.

Couple of bad results and people jump on thier back.  Some people need a chill pill.  The NZ sporting public (generalisation) are so bloody fickle sometimes.2ndBest2008-09-01 18:52:11

Sure, maybe he can find a team full of players that actually want to win to manage instead. Just a thought.

Keep the faith during the break and see what happens against CCM IMO. Perhaps we all need to focus on the AW's for a bit, a few people are getting a bit emotional I feel.

I've held of this and similar discussions about he form and game plan the team has played.

absolutly not

If he can't start getting results then yes - but he needs to be given a reasonable opportunity to turn things around - for me that's 3 more games - I would take 4 points from the next 3 games as a basis to build on.

Could be a perfect opportunity to see some leadership develop in a group that to be fair has looked leaderless, no coach so the boys roll up their sleeves and do it themselves