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Dodd out of next game (this weeks team)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
sorry mate - but you cant just throw a midfielder into a centre back position in a top league willy-nilly.
Thats like playing Zrilic at right back

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yeah you guys have good points but zdrillic was more productive at right back!!
 
and christie played midfield all his career?!
 
i just think those two are our best tacklers and hustlers, regardless of what position they are..
 
i just get flash backs of o'dor stuffing things up at the back that's all....i may be clutching at straws but i just dont want the boys to get drubbed by adelaide!!!!
 
dodd is our backbone without him the leadership in the middle is lost....cleberson wont be able to handle an in-form travis dodd, djite. or burns. Brown and johnson would give their best and communicate well and do a pretty good job id say considering its not the there 'named' position.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
sorry mate - but you cant just throw a midfielder into a centre back position in a top league willy-nilly.
Thats like playing Zrilic at right back
 
....or Feverish at wing-back
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ha, I remember Wynton playing himself at sweeper for the Kingz. He soon found it wasn;t as easy as it looked. Nah, stick to defenders. Thats what they're paid to do. Cleberson in or get rid of him as soon as poss. Old? yeh well, nah. He's lucky to be reserve.
Plodder, Clebs, O'Dor, Lockhead
it has to be

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Agree Oi Oi. We have centre backs so we should be using one of them as the replacment.

A dog with a bone :)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
sorry mate - but you cant just throw a midfielder into a centre back position in a top league willy-nilly.
Thats like playing Zrilic at right back
 
....or Feverish at wing-back
 
we cant all play stiker and centre-back

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It's really a case of pick your poison - I can't see either Old or Clebo being comfortable on Sunday. But we have to play a defender at CB, it's a difficult enough position to play for an experienced defender, let alone throwing midfielders into the fire as some have suggested.
It's at times like this you wonder why we have 6 strikers in the squad.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I question whether some of you guys have actually watched the games this year :/


a.haak

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
valeo wrote:
I question whether some of you guys have actually watched the games this year :/


Is that aimed at me? If so, explain.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
my guess is that Valeo is 'intrigued' by people's inability to distinguish between championship manager and real football,

having seen what playing O'Dor and Clebo have done out of position, it seems strange that people want to play midfielders as centrebacks etc etc

but then i'm not a mind reader so I'll wait for Valeo's response (before i make any more guesses )
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
tigers wrote:
my guess is that Valeo is 'intrigued' by people's inability to distinguish between championship manager and real football,

having seen what playing O'Dor and Clebo have done out of position, it seems strange that people want to play midfielders as centrebacks etc etc

but then i'm not a mind reader so I'll wait for Valeo's response (before i make any more guesses )


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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
tigers wrote:
my guess is that Valeo is 'intrigued' by people's inability to distinguish between championship manager and real football,

having seen what playing O'Dor and Clebo have done out of position, it seems strange that people want to play midfielders as centrebacks etc etc

but then i'm not a mind reader so I'll wait for Valeo's response (before i make any more guesses )


Yep. Exactly. Was waiting for someone to put Paston in centreback because 'we haven't tried it and it like could work and stuff'.

And nah wasn't aimed at you el. I agree with your point.
valeo2007-10-24 21:58:02

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
valeo wrote:



tigers wrote:
my guess is that Valeo is 'intrigued' by people's inability to distinguish between championship manager and real football,having seen what playing O'Dor and Clebo have done out of position, it seems strange that people want to play midfielders as centrebacks etc etcbut then i'm not a mind reader so I'll wait for Valeo's response (before i make any more guesses )
Yep. Exactly. Was waiting for someone to put Paston in centreback because 'we haven't tried it and it like could work and stuff'.And nah wasn't aimed at you el. I agree with your point.


Oh, OK. Sorry if I came accross a bit gruff.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hepatitis wrote:
I'm not as convinced as others about Cleberson. If he can get run around at the right, he can get run around in the centre. I think he could add a bit to the team if he is just ahead of the defence, and not the last line, but I dont know what formation could carry that.

Surely O'Dor won't muck up like that again, I'd keep him.

Liked Coveny's positive and experienced comments on TV1 news tonight
 
Did you not see the CCM game in round 2?
 
O'Dor got destroyed because he played at right back. But since then he's been doing well until last week. Just hope his confidence isn't too shot.
 
Cleberson has to given a go at centre back, playing him at right back was a disaster, we should've already learnt that lesson though.
 
I like the fact he doesn't stuff around with the ball at the back, when we try too much at the back is when we get into problems.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
This is Wellington Phoenix Discussion. Yes we lost last week and are on a three game losing streak but lets unite guys...it's pretty pathetic that all we've been doing lately is bitching.

What will your team for next week be guys?

Got the full compliment except Karl Dodd.


------------------------------------------------------Moss----------------------------------------------------------

-----Christie----------------------------Aloisi----------------O'Dor-------------------------------Lochhead

-------Elrich----------------------------Brown-----------------Felipe---------------------------Daniel-----

----------------------------------Smeltz-------------------------Coveny-----------------------------------------

Subs: Lia, Ferrante, George.

- Apparently Aloisis been doing some greatdefensive work so lets see it!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Aloisi would be a terrible option at centre back. We need him just in front of the back four so he can make things happen.
 
I imagine it will be the same starting lineup as last week but with Clebs in for Dodd, and Filipe in for Lia if he's fit.
 
Cant see Ricki playing 2 strikers away from home, especially against Adelaide.
wingback4eva2007-10-24 22:24:36
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
GK: Moss
RB: Plodder
CB: O'Dor
CB: Cleberson (covering my eyes already)
LB: Lochead
RM: Elrich
CM: Aloisi
CM: Brown
LM: Daniel
AM: Felipe (if fit)
CF: Smeltz

Subs: Paston, Old, Coveny, Lia
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hepatitis wrote:
I'm not as convinced as others about Cleberson. If he can get run around at the right, he can get run around in the centre. I think he could add a bit to the team if he is just ahead of the defence, and not the last line, but I dont know what formation could carry that. Surely O'Dor won't muck up like that again, I'd keep him. Liked Coveny's positive and experienced comments on TV1 news tonight

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Did you not see the CCM game in round 2?

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O'Dor got destroyed because he played at right back. But since then he's been doing well until last week. Just hope his confidence isn't too shot.

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Cleberson has to given a go at centre back, playing him at right back was a disaster, we should've already learnt that lesson though.

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I like the fact he doesn't stuff around with the ball at the back, when we try too much at the back is when we get into problems.


I didn't advocate O'Dor at right back. I'm ok with Christie there, and keeping O'Dor in the lineup, even after his malfunctionong last week. I don't want Cleberson in the back 4 anywhere, that is what i am saying
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hepatitis wrote:
hepatitis wrote:
I'm not as convinced as others about Cleberson. If he can get run around at the right, he can get run around in the centre. I think he could add a bit to the team if he is just ahead of the defence, and not the last line, but I dont know what formation could carry that. Surely O'Dor won't muck up like that again, I'd keep him. Liked Coveny's positive and experienced comments on TV1 news tonight

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Did you not see the CCM game in round 2?

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O'Dor got destroyed because he played at right back. But since then he's been doing well until last week. Just hope his confidence isn't too shot.

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Cleberson has to given a go at centre back, playing him at right back was a disaster, we should've already learnt that lesson though.

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I like the fact he doesn't stuff around with the ball at the back, when we try too much at the back is when we get into problems.


I don't want Cleberson in the back 4 anywhere, that is what i am saying


I share your sentiment, but I suspect he will start on Sunday.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hepatitis wrote:
hepatitis wrote:
I'm not as convinced as others about Cleberson. If he can get run around at the right, he can get run around in the centre. I think he could add a bit to the team if he is just ahead of the defence, and not the last line, but I dont know what formation could carry that. Surely O'Dor won't muck up like that again, I'd keep him. Liked Coveny's positive and experienced comments on TV1 news tonight

Did you not see the CCM game in round 2?

O'Dor got destroyed because he played at right back. But since then he's been doing well until last week. Just hope his confidence isn't too shot.

Cleberson has to given a go at centre back, playing him at right back was a disaster, we should've already learnt that lesson though.
I like the fact he doesn't stuff around with the ball at the back, when we try too much at the back is when we get into problems.


I didn't advocate O'Dor at right back. I'm ok with Christie there, and keeping O'Dor in the lineup, even after his malfunctionong last week. I don't want Cleberson in the back 4 anywhere, that is what i am saying
 
You said if he can get run around at right back, he can get run around at centre back. I don't believe that, and used O'Dor as an example.
 
I do think Cleberson should start, i'd rather him than Old against Adelaide. But i'm still gutted Dodd isn't playing, that guy is amazing.
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
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You said if he can get run around at right back, he can get run around at centre back. I don't believe that, and used O'Dor as an example.

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I do think Cleberson should start, i'd rather him than Old against Adelaide.�But i'm still gutted Dodd isn't playing, that guy is amazing.

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Yes O'Dor has recovered well from his nightmare RB start.

Maybe we will find out if Cleberson has the goods for the centreback if Ricki starts him, I think it will be make or break time for him if that is so. hepatitis2007-10-24 23:09:33
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Personally I think if we start Old instead of Clebo we will get a more solid defense

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Gutted about Dodd, him and Lochhead are the only D-men I'd look at keeping next season at this rate. So not only do we have a bad D lineup, but bad depth too, joy...

I'd love to see Clebo in CB again. He's been terrible out of position but he was one of the highest polling choices for the first MOM poll for a reason - he did great against the Victory, and I love the passion he always brings. He's been embarrassed in RB twice, put him in his natural position again for perhaps a final chance.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The latest is that Clebo has a hamstring strain, so he probably won't be available either...
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
does richard johnson become a defensive option at some stage? presumably now old goes into cb with o'dor. thats a pretty young centre of d. maybe if that is the combo all 3 of brown johnson and aloisi play? just a thought

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Paying 6.50 at the TAB,.......should get amongst it!

I say tackle him in the face.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Old and O'dor were paired up for the game against TW (with Sully and some random on the wings).
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Dunno. I heard far too many different names. I gave up after that.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Here's the matchday squad from the A League website...
 
1.Mark PASTON (gk), 2.Jeremy CHRISTIE, 3.Tony LOCHHEAD, 6.Tim BROWN, 7.Ross ALOISI (captain), 8.Vaughan COVENY, 9.Shane SMELTZ, 11.DANIEL, 12.Richard JOHNSON, 13.Steven OLD, 14.Steven O�DOR, 17.Vince LIA, 18.Ahmad ELRICH, 20.Glen MOSS (gk), 21.FELIPE, 22.Royce BROWNLIE. *one to be omitted
 
No Cleberson, Ferrante, George, Costa, Draper, Spoonley and of course Dodd.  I'd pick Brownlie to be the one omitted.
 
 
 
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
That was pretty much what you would expect from the game this evening.  Old and O'Dor get 45 minutes for combinations, Felipe and co. prove fitness.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
great to see felipe's name back in the squad,

looks like Lia, Elrich and Brown have pushed Ferrante down the pecking order

Makes sense that Brownlie would be the one to miss out, unless there's a sudden change to 4-4-2 (which seems highly unlikely)

cheers for the news LF1
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What happens if Old or O'Dor go down injured?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Suggest it may be...
 
Moss
Christie, O'Dor, Old, Lochhead
Brown, Aloisi, Johnson
Elrich, Daniel
Smeltz
 
Felipe, Coveny, Lia, Paston
 
Just get the feeling there may be a desire to protect the back four with three more defensive-minded midfielders....
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Maybe we should do what the Rangers did against Barca. Play the trusty old 8-1-1.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Suggest it may be...
 
Moss
Christie, O'Dor, Old, Lochhead
Brown, Aloisi, Johnson
Elrich, Daniel
Smeltz
 
Felipe, Coveny, Lia, Paston
 
Just get the feeling there may be a desire to protect the back four with three more defensive-minded midfielders....


certainly should add a bit of solidity in the middle,

a pretty strong bench too, I'd like to see Felipe given at least 20 mins at the end (for Elrich or Daniel) and Lia on quite a bit earlier than costa came on in Sunday's game, the last 10 mins on sunday elrich and Daniel were too knackered to contribute effectively in my view
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