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Doddington vs Clogs - Match Thread

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Jose's Dog wrote:
 
Well, some of us who know a bit about football want more than that.



Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
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I don't see how anyone can say lochhead had a good game? He had a SHOCKER. He gives the ball away with his lobbed passes, about hmm 80% of the time. Does anyone else notice that?  Lobbing the ball straight to the opposition is a great way to lose a game. All they have to do is KEEP IT TO FEET. There's a time and a place for a lobbed pass and it's not 80% of the time.  Coveny can get to the ball and then by the time hes made up his mind what to do with it he's lost it. They're supposed to be pro's, how hard can it be to pass and move and create space. Also  Sigmund = legend. Bad luck with Bertos missing at the end, he should have nailed that.

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Back to square one.

Kwasnik has to go, LeiLei back to school to learn what the point of this game is.
Leo made a big difference when he came on, just hope that the miss doesn't mess with his head too much.
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Lets face it guys this game showed everything thats good and bad about the Phoenix....
 
The good.....defense is great. The back four and Brown and McCain are rock solid. Plus the attitude is heaps better. They scrap and fight most of the game.
 
The bad....total lack of creativity in the top third of the field, inability to pass the ball fluently through the midfield, inability to hold possession in mid field, inability to put people into shooting positions( we have the lowest number of shots on goal in A-League), inability to transfer support players quickly from defense to attack.
 
However I am not as pessimistic as some. We could/should have got atleast got a point out of that game. We were absolute crap for the first half. But all we have to do us up the tempo like we did for spells in the second half. When we had the right people on the park i.e Leo and Daniel and started to PLAY THE BALL TO PLAYERS FEET we started to creat real chances.
 
 
 
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Yeah, theres a time to be tricky, but theres a time to just pass the ball as that is tried and proven!
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Kwasnik's uselessness was shrouded by the fact the team was performing well over the last few weeks.

Now he has to be left out. Daniel or Bertos, I don't mind.

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HANDS UP ALL THOSE ON THIS FORUM WHO HAVE PLAYED FOOTBALL AT A-LEAGUE LEVEL OR ABOVE?

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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I think that its not all bad news from yesterdays game. We dominanted the second half, it was just one of those days when the ball just doesn't fly into the net. We need to improve our strikes on goal to increase the chances but I thought there were enough positives there. 
 
Just don't get me started on Leo's miss. 
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I think that its not all bad news from yesterdays game. We dominanted the second half, it was just one of those days when the ball just doesn't fly into the net. We need to improve our strikes on goal to increase the chances but I thought there were enough positives there. 
 
 
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el grapadura wrote:
Back to square one.

Kwasnik has to go, LeiLei back to school to learn what the point of this game is.
Leo made a big difference when he came on, just hope that the miss doesn't mess with his head too much.
 
Agreed, he needs a couple of weeks off. Then maybe we will see what he's really made of.
 
I'd bring Draper or Costa on to the bench. Goals need to come from somewhere.
bling blang blah
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C-Diddy wrote:
HANDS UP ALL THOSE ON THIS FORUM WHO HAVE PLAYED FOOTBALL AT A-LEAGUE LEVEL OR ABOVE?
 
That matters why? Many, many good coaches have never played their chosen sports to a high level. Playing ability and analysis of a sport are not comparable.
bling blang blah
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bennie99 wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
HANDS UP ALL THOSE ON THIS FORUM WHO HAVE PLAYED FOOTBALL AT A-LEAGUE LEVEL OR ABOVE?
 
That matters why? Many, many good coaches have never played their chosen sports to a high level. Playing ability and analysis of a sport are not comparable.
 
True,  but when was the last time an A-League footballer came to your place of work, paid money and sl*gged you aff at the end of your shift because you didn't perform?

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Arsenal wrote:
Kwasnik's uselessness was shrouded by the fact the team was performing well over the last few weeks.Now he has to be left out. Daniel or Bertos, I don't mind.


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C-Diddy wrote:
bennie99 wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
HANDS UP ALL THOSE ON THIS FORUM WHO HAVE PLAYED FOOTBALL AT A-LEAGUE LEVEL OR ABOVE?
 
That matters why? Many, many good coaches have never played their chosen sports to a high level. Playing ability and analysis of a sport are not comparable.
 
True,  but when was the last time an A-League footballer came to your place of work, paid money and sl*gged you aff at the end of your shift because you didn't perform?
 
You're an idiot.
 
If you don't like analysing games and criticizing certain things I have to question why you are even on this forum..

a.haak

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C-Diddy wrote:
HANDS UP ALL THOSE ON THIS FORUM WHO HAVE PLAYED FOOTBALL AT A-LEAGUE LEVEL OR ABOVE?
 
I really, REALLY like you.
 
No - I don't think you understand.
 
I REALLY like you.
 
We should run a shop together, or something...
 
 
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Masty wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
HANDS UP ALL THOSE ON THIS FORUM WHO HAVE PLAYED FOOTBALL AT A-LEAGUE LEVEL OR ABOVE?
 
I really, REALLY like you.
 
No - I don't think you understand.
 
I REALLY like you.
 
We should run a shop together, or something...
 
 
 

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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valeo wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
bennie99 wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
HANDS UP ALL THOSE ON THIS FORUM WHO HAVE PLAYED FOOTBALL AT A-LEAGUE LEVEL OR ABOVE?
 
That matters why? Many, many good coaches have never played their chosen sports to a high level. Playing ability and analysis of a sport are not comparable.
 
True,  but when was the last time an A-League footballer came to your place of work, paid money and sl*gged you aff at the end of your shift because you didn't perform?
 
You're an idiot.
 
If you don't like analysing games and criticizing certain things I have to question why you are even on this forum..
 
Surely the players and management staff realise that the result yesterday wasn't great so I don't see the point in voicing opinions about individuals in a football team when football is a team sport therefore everyone in the team should shoulder any or all criticism that may come from a bad performance.
 
Even when the Phoenix win players have bad matches but rarely do we get a 13+ page thread about played crap or who should be dropped the next week.
 
The result sucked massicely. I'm personally gutted by it but I have moved on and I think so should everyone and let Ricki and his team try and right the wrongs for us all next week!
 
Oh yes I am an idiot! 

 

C-Diddy2008-10-27 15:58:32

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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C-Diddy wrote:
bennie99 wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
HANDS UP ALL THOSE ON THIS FORUM WHO HAVE PLAYED FOOTBALL AT A-LEAGUE LEVEL OR ABOVE?
 
That matters why? Many, many good coaches have never played their chosen sports to a high level. Playing ability and analysis of a sport are not comparable.
 
True,  but when was the last time an A-League footballer came to your place of work, paid money and sl*gged you aff at the end of your shift because you didn't perform?
 
If any A-league player was prepared to spend an afternoon of his precious time off at my place of work, travel an hour each way, pay 30-40 bucks of his hard earned for himself and his two kids, have his bag searched at the front desk, his water bottle taken and emptied, if he's prepared to queue for ages for his lunch (spending 20 bucks on some deep fried crap with a passing resemblence to real food), spend 90 minutes watching me cock the basics of my job up in an extremely boring fashion then frankly he would be entitled to give me whatever feedback he thought appropriate through whatever media he chooses. 
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Ouch. 

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For the sakes of the exercise...'Jose's Dog' - what do you do for a job?
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article229856.ece
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Masty wrote:
For the sakes of the exercise...'Jose's Dog' - what do you do for a job?
 
I'm a police dog. 
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Jose's Dog wrote:
Masty wrote:
For the sakes of the exercise...'Jose's Dog' - what do you do for a job?
 
I'm a police dog. 
 
You, sure are...
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Jose's Dog wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
bennie99 wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
HANDS UP ALL THOSE ON THIS FORUM WHO HAVE PLAYED FOOTBALL AT A-LEAGUE LEVEL OR ABOVE?
 
That matters why? Many, many good coaches have never played their chosen sports to a high level. Playing ability and analysis of a sport are not comparable.
 
True,  but when was the last time an A-League footballer came to your place of work, paid money and sl*gged you aff at the end of your shift because you didn't perform?
 
If any A-league player was prepared to spend an afternoon of his precious time off at my place of work, travel an hour each way, pay 30-40 bucks of his hard earned for himself and his two kids, have his bag searched at the front desk, his water bottle taken and emptied, if he's prepared to queue for ages for his lunch (spending 20 bucks on some deep fried crap with a passing resemblence to real food), spend 90 minutes watching me cock the basics of my job up in an extremely boring fashion then frankly he would be entitled to give me whatever feedback he thought appropriate through whatever media he chooses. 
 
So are you angry at the Stadium Management or at the Phoenix players? I can't work it out...

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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still not sure how we didnt manage to get a point yesterday
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C-Diddy wrote:
bennie99 wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
HANDS UP ALL THOSE ON THIS FORUM WHO HAVE PLAYED FOOTBALL AT A-LEAGUE LEVEL OR ABOVE?
 
That matters why? Many, many good coaches have never played their chosen sports to a high level. Playing ability and analysis of a sport are not comparable.
 
True,  but when was the last time an A-League footballer came to your place of work, paid money and sl*gged you aff at the end of your shift because you didn't perform?

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C-Diddy wrote:
bennie99 wrote:
[QUOTE=C-Diddy]HANDS UP ALL THOSE ON THIS FORUM WHO HAVE PLAYED FOOTBALL AT A-LEAGUE LEVEL OR ABOVE?
 
That matters why? Many, many good coaches have never played their chosen sports to a high level. Playing ability and analysis of a sport are not comparable.
 
True,  but when was the last time an A-League footballer came to your place of work, paid money and sl*gged you aff at the end of your shift because you didn't perform? 
 
 
                                 
That's what bosses and colleagues are for surely? Also there are plenty of jobs you get sl*gged off in and the work conditions are nowhere near as good as footballers, police, nursing staff, ambulance crews, to name a few.
 
 It's part of the game, you would lose most of what is enjoyable about following a team if you stopped moaning. Prof footballers know this, the benefits, (not having a sh*tty soul destroying job, only working a few hours a week etc, running around, not having any reasonability etc), out way what a few overweight 40 something's that you'll never meet think of you.
 
edit: bloody sh*tty work computer.
ForteanTimes2008-10-27 23:26:56

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Jose's Dog wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
bennie99 wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
HANDS UP ALL THOSE ON THIS FORUM WHO HAVE PLAYED FOOTBALL AT A-LEAGUE LEVEL OR ABOVE?
 
That matters why? Many, many good coaches have never played their chosen sports to a high level. Playing ability and analysis of a sport are not comparable.
 
True,  but when was the last time an A-League footballer came to your place of work, paid money and sl*gged you aff at the end of your shift because you didn't perform?
 
If any A-league player was prepared to spend an afternoon of his precious time off at my place of work, travel an hour each way, pay 30-40 bucks of his hard earned for himself and his two kids, have his bag searched at the front desk, his water bottle taken and emptied, if he's prepared to queue for ages for his lunch (spending 20 bucks on some deep fried crap with a passing resemblence to real food), spend 90 minutes watching me cock the basics of my job up in an extremely boring fashion then frankly he would be entitled to give me whatever feedback he thought appropriate through whatever media he chooses. 
 
 nicely written!

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zinidane wrote:
Lets face it guys this game showed everything thats good and bad about the Phoenix....
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The good.....defense is great. The back four and Brown and McCain are rock solid. Plus the attitude is heaps better. They scrap and fight most of the game.

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The bad....total lack of creativity in the top third of the field, inability to pass the ball fluently through the midfield, inability to hold possession in mid field, inability to put people into shooting positions( we have the lowest number of shots on goal in A-League), inability to transfer support players quickly from defense to attack.

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However I am not as pessimistic as some. We could/should have got atleast got a point out of that game. We were absolute crap for the first half.�But all�we have to do us up the tempo like we did for spells in the second�half. When we had the right people on the park i.e Leo and Daniel and started to PLAY THE BALL TO PLAYERS FEET we started to creat real chances.

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+1

Biggest problem in first half for me was the transition from defence to attack was too slow. Admittedly we were into the wind, and the wet pitch may have slowed the ball up. Roar didn't seem too bothered though. It just seemed like players were taking one touch too many before a pass (or shot), meaning open players were getting closed down quickly. Piney makes a similar point discussing Bertos' miss. Second half was strange - we came out firing, went flat and let Queensland slow things down again for 20 minutes, then fired up again at the end.

We can feel a little unlucky not to get a point (you always do when it's 0-1), but equally Queensland were a bit better and worth their win.


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it was like we were defending a 2-0 lead for most of the game - we get the ball near their penalty area, then pass it back to the midfield, who passes it back to defenders, and repeat...
I like tautologies because I like them.
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wolfman wrote:

We can feel a little unlucky not to get a point (you always do when it's 0-1), but equally Queensland were a bit better and worth their win.


Yeah, I think this is key. Queensland outplayed us in the first half, got their lead, and although we played much better in the second, Queensland still looked way too comfortable, and always dangerous on the counter.

I know a lot of people are saying we created chances, but did we really? Leo's shocker aside, the only chances I can remember is LeiLei's header and Smeltz's volley over the bar late in the second half. Haven't seen the replay yet, but I'm really struggling to remember anything else we did.el grapadura2008-10-28 10:00:23
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ForteanTimes wrote:
Jose's Dog wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
bennie99 wrote:
C-Diddy wrote:
HANDS UP ALL THOSE ON THIS FORUM WHO HAVE PLAYED FOOTBALL AT A-LEAGUE LEVEL OR ABOVE?
 
That matters why? Many, many good coaches have never played their chosen sports to a high level. Playing ability and analysis of a sport are not comparable.
 
True,  but when was the last time an A-League footballer came to your place of work, paid money and sl*gged you aff at the end of your shift because you didn't perform?
 
If any A-league player was prepared to spend an afternoon of his precious time off at my place of work, travel an hour each way, pay 30-40 bucks of his hard earned for himself and his two kids, have his bag searched at the front desk, his water bottle taken and emptied, if he's prepared to queue for ages for his lunch (spending 20 bucks on some deep fried crap with a passing resemblence to real food), spend 90 minutes watching me cock the basics of my job up in an extremely boring fashion then frankly he would be entitled to give me whatever feedback he thought appropriate through whatever media he chooses. 
 
 nicely written!
 
Who needs an A-League player? Isn't that what wives are for?
 
 
Royal2008-10-28 10:55:23
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el grapadura wrote:
wolfman wrote:

We can feel a little unlucky not to get a point (you always do when it's 0-1), but equally Queensland were a bit better and worth their win.


Yeah, I think this is key. Queensland outplayed us in the first half, got their lead, and although we played much better in the second, Queensland still looked way too comfortable, and always dangerous on the counter.

I know a lot of people are saying we created chances, but did we really? Leo's shocker aside, the only chances I can remember is LeiLei's header and Smeltz's volley over the bar late in the second half. Haven't seen the replay yet, but I'm really struggling to remember anything else we did.

The same could be said for the Roar, in fact apart from the goal and Fat Bastards free kick I can't really think of another instance when they really threatened.

So the difference between the 2 sides? 1 piece of sloppy defending from us (if you're on the post stick to it ffs!) and we didn't take our chances. It's a game I think that got away from us and we could have (and perhaps should have) won so why the hell are we getting so negative.

Yes, we didn't shoot enough and yes, we didn't get enough crosses in and yes, we slowed down too many attacks and turned back to MF too much and I'm sure that these are things that they'll be working on at training.

But there are definite improvements over the last few weeks, we finished looking the better team and there were times when Queensland looked rattled.

So, how about we get off their backs and if we're going to criticise, at least try and be positive.

Try this:

For me, I think we start games too slowly and should get out of the blocks a bit quicker. At the end, the formation we were playing with was the same as one of our pre-season games (4-2-3-1) with Daniel, Leo and Gao behind Smeltz and as with the pre-season game we were all over them going forward. So, what I'd like to see for the next game is start with these 4 up front and go at a team from the start.

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Malky wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
wolfman wrote:

We can feel a little unlucky not to get a point (you always do when it's 0-1), but equally Queensland were a bit better and worth their win.


Yeah, I think this is key. Queensland outplayed us in the first half, got their lead, and although we played much better in the second, Queensland still looked way too comfortable, and always dangerous on the counter.

I know a lot of people are saying we created chances, but did we really? Leo's shocker aside, the only chances I can remember is LeiLei's header and Smeltz's volley over the bar late in the second half. Haven't seen the replay yet, but I'm really struggling to remember anything else we did.
The same could be said for the Roar, in fact apart from the goal and Fat Bastards free kick I can't really think of another instance when they really threatened. So the difference between the 2 sides? 1 piece of sloppy defending from us (if you're on the post stick to it ffs!) and we didn't take our chances. It's a game I think that got away from us and we could have (and perhaps should have) won so why the hell are we getting so negative.Yes, we didn't shoot enough and yes, we didn't get enough crosses in and yes, we slowed down too many attacks and turned back to MF too much and I'm sure that these are things that they'll be working on at training.But there are definite improvements over the last few weeks, we finished looking the better team and there were times when Queensland looked rattled.So, how about we get off their backs and if we're going to criticise, at least try and be positive.Try this:For me, I think we start games too slowly and should get out of the blocks a bit quicker. At the end, the formation we were playing with was the same as one of our pre-season games (4-2-3-1) with Daniel, Leo and Gao behind Smeltz and as with the pre-season game we were all over them going forward. So, what I'd like to see for the next game is start with these 4 up front and go at a team from the start.


Paston made at least 3 quality saves in the first half (free kick included) that I remember, and they had at least one counter in the second from which they really should have scored.

The point I guess is that we played at home, and the whole time I was hoping that we'd score, rather than seeing any play that would actually likely lead to a goal. Know we finished the game ona high, but we were 1-0 down at home, you have to throw the kitchen sink in the last few minutes. I guess that's what's most disappointing to me - that we played like this at home. If this game was at Suncorp, I think it wouldn't have felt like this for me.

As for the formation, I agree, 4-2-3-1 with Daniel, Gao and Bertos behind Smeltz. Most likely to get us points as far as I'm concerned.
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I'm just a tiny bit pissed off that I spent 3 hours minimum making my SUPER LEO BERTOS banner..
And to have it thrown back in my face by leo.
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Cosimo wrote:

it was like we were defending a 2-0 lead for most of the game - we get the ball near their penalty area, then pass it back to the midfield, who passes it back to defenders, and repeat...
 
I agree, there was a real lack of conviction and decisiveness in the attacking third, particularly in the first half. Coveny on a couple of occasions found himself one one one with Moore, but rather than take the chance of running at him, he put his foot on the ball, turned around and passed backwards. in the meantime, Queensland had managed to get six players behind the ball and the chance had passed. Herbert needs to encourage his players to take more risks and chances on attack. Its often very laboured and it has been all year. Even when we have one, we have not created many chances.
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Stefan wrote:
I'm just a tiny bit pissed off that I spent 3 hours minimum making my SUPER LEO BERTOS banner..
And to have it thrown back in my face by leo.


Bah he injected life into our attack in the second half, could have been much worse if Kwasnik stayed on.
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...Tuesday evening and I'm still a bit down because of the result. Any chance of a hug?
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
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dairyflat wrote:
...Tuesday evening and I'm still a bit down because of the result. Any chance of a hug?
 
know what you mean but I'm not giving ya a hug
 
I see you mentioned The Thistle in one of your posts....you can buy me a drink there after the next home game if it will cheer you up
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...if I ever get cheery again... Football is a cruel mistress/master*...


* Delete as appropriate.
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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