Does Peter O'leary condemn us to lose?

Does Peter O'leary condemn us to lose?

I was thinking about this over the weekend, especially after that free kick out of nowhere to the jets that he gave, then it deflects into the net and we lose.  I tend to remember several old knights matches where we never got penalties from him but he always gave the aussie's a pen.  I think he is a good ref but just maybe he tries to compensate for being a kiwi and in turn does us no favours at all.  Can anyone remember a crucial decision going our way in the A League from him?  Have we ever got a result with him as our ref?  I'm sure some trainspotter will have the stats.

It's not just O'Leary... add Fox and Rugg. 

They seem so determined not to be seen as home referees that they screw us over (although to be fair I thought O'Leary had one of his better matches on Sunday).

the referee's a w**ker ... the referee's a w**ker

Personally, I thought not taking our chances condemned us to lose on Sunday.

i second that Auckland Jag, maybe i should become a ref, we'll get penalties every week ha ha

Yellow card given after 5 minutes was a " soft option"  to the Newcastle defender when Daniel would have had a one on one with there goalkeeper. Surely a Red card  for this proffessional foul .The defender only had one thing on his mind, foul the attacker - have courage Mr O'Leary. and make the tough calls,the Newcastle defender could not believe his luck !!!!!

He was a good science teacher

What a load of bollocks

Foxy isn't on the A-league and Ruggy is in Queensland and has been for 3 years.

As for a soft option, both my flat mate and I  saw that tackle and both of us said yellow. He hadn't beaten the defender so how can you issue a red card for denying a goal scoring opportunity??

When will people just get off the referees back, especially when Pete had a good game.

Excuse me Quackers, we were discussing referees of NZ sides in Australian competitions.  Both Rugg and Fox have referreed the NZ sides and at times have robbed us.  I also made it quite clear that I thought O'Leary had a good game on Sunday.

However, last season he cost the Knights at least two points with an incorrect decision and in pre-season he bottled on sending Mark Rudan off on a number of occassions against Sydney.

I think O'Leary does an excellent job when he has reffed A-League games without an NZ side in them, but NZ sides have suffered from all three of these refs in the past.

I second that, no need to get quacky, Quacky

dear mr DrQuack32,

 only just,  i always thought he had it in for the knights, now i'm wondering if he has it in for teams from new zealand period !  he comes up with some  strange calls

yeah pritty poor decision should have been red. Cost the phoenix really.

Nothing in the rules states "  beaten the defender " Daniel was in the process of going round the Newcastle defender when deliberately fouled. The Newcastle player was the last defender,Daniel was moving  towards the goal and there was no covering player.If Daniel had not been fouled, an obvious goalscring opportunity would have occur. Thought FIFA were trying to stop these types of offences.If the same offence occur with 5 minutes to go I bet a red card would have been given!!!

Last man 1on 1  professional foul, red card ,he should have walked for deffo!!

I just went and checked the MoM poll, incase DrQuack had snuck Mr O'leary in there as a voting option

12345: Did you and fatty agree on something for once? Did his prick fall off too perchance??

Tiger: Nice call man. I just get annoyed when people bag referees cause they sit in a cushy armchair, with no knowledge of the rules other than "I saw them do that on the English Premier League"

Chopper: You are right that the the rules do not state anything about beating the defender.
The tackle alone wasn't severe enough for a red as there was no reckless force. So the only point that we are debating is was it a goal scoring opportunity. However, if you have a goalkeeper to beat, and another defender still to beat, how can you classify that as an 'opportunity to score'
You said "If Daniel had not been fouled, an obvious goalscoring opportunity would have occured."
But at that present point when he was fouled, the opportunity to score a goal right then was not there.

From Law 12

Referees should consider the following circumstances when deciding whether to send off a player for denying a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity:
� The distance between the offence and the goal
� The likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
� The direction of the play
� The location and number of defenders
� The offence which denies an opponent an obvious goalscoring opportunity may be an offence that incurs a direct free kick or an indirect free kick.

Other than 12345 who is a referee also, thats 3 refs that say yellow and 1 that say red..... The rest can speak from what ever point of view they like, much like I can speak on open heart surgery without the qualifications . . . doesn't mean I'm right. Sorry chaps, in my book, its still yellow.
DrQuack322007-09-11 17:54:11

DrQuack, not sure if you guys know each other but no personal stuff.

Duly noted

I'm not the 'fatty' you're referring to, am I Chris? 

I thought big Peter had a good game and I'm also on the yellow card side of the fence on this one!

No sorry Tom not you. You're up here aren't you Auckland now yeah
DrQuack322007-09-11 18:39:52

It was the best game I have ever seen OLeary ref.

I wasn't trying to have a go at O'Learys overall performance as a ref because quite frankly I don't believe you can get to A League level unless you are of the required standard.  My point was more that kiwi refs never seem to make a crucial decision that goes our way, and my example was that I still don't know what the free kick was given for, that the Jets scored from, didn't we have the ball?

It was an off-the-ball thing. It had to be. Because the ball was quite a way down the field. Or a very delayed call. I'm confused and it happened right in front of me (Aisle 31, real front). As are the people I was with.

How many refs on this thread?, I think it's now four including myself!

DrQuack
Auckland Jag
disco mart
ginger eejit

We should start up 'Black Fever!'

Thanks for the reply Dr Quack but one last comment  - Why did the Ref book the Newcastle player at all. The foul was soft, didn't hurt anyone so why book him. The only reason he was booked was because he denied the attacker a goal scoring chance, hence I would have  given a red. If this foul had occur at half way would he have been booked,  no . SO DID THE REF BOOK HIM FOR THE FOUL OR THE POSITION IT OCCUR AT ?  If it was for the position he got it wrong and Newcastle player got away with it. and if it was for the foul he should have caution another 10 players for tackles far worse during the game.

im a ref.... well of sorts   sure many others have called me sumthing different!

my money would be on "THE POSITION IT OCCUR AT"  the player broke down an attacking move in a "dangerous" part of the pitch.

 gee guys i dont think they needed the refs help to lose they looked pretty ordinary.take off the eye patches.

Who ?

The Phoenix on Sunday ? 
Hard News2007-09-12 11:48:02

chuck in 12345 as well

As a guide line you use the following
Careless: Free kick
Careless and Reckless: Yellow and free kick
Careless, Reckless and Excessive Force: Red and free kick.

You don't have to hurt the player to be cautioned.

The tackle alone was definitely reckless so there is your yellow. If that tackle had occurred anywhere else in the field, you can guarantee that he would have been booked. I don't recall seeing another tackle of that ilk, mind you I also didn't actually see the tackle that lead to the goal that everyone is complaining about hence why I haven't commented on that.

I don't think anyone saw that tackle. Hence the complaints.

The one thing I haven't seen in the media is the papers giving it to the referee saying he got it wrong, so maybe he did make the correct decision? I don't know, I'm just trying to hunt down footage on the net and articles that say it was a poor decision.
DrQuack322007-09-12 13:04:53

If you do find any footage, could you please share it?

ya don't know what ya doing, ya don't know what ya doing

Just Joined ...Fox_40 also a ref ... u gotta love the power the whistle welds ... gotta be better than S** ...  watching with interest....  Also Peters decision was correct " Pure Yellow ".. did anyone notice the ref talking to the culprit he does not mince his words ...
Fox_402007-09-12 20:03:31