As for access no worse than some people have in getting to Westpac what a shame if a few people have to go through similar hassles other fans face every season.
As a very rough estimate, I'd say that it's easier to get to WestPac for about two thirds of the Phoenix catchment population, and easier to get to Hutt Rec for about one third.
As for access no worse than some people have in getting to Westpac what a shame if a few people have to go through similar hassles other fans face every season.
As a very rough estimate, I'd say that it's easier to get to WestPac for about two thirds of the Phoenix catchment population, and easier to get to Hutt Rec for about one third.
You can look at where the population base is.
Really that still doesn't mean buggar all still doesn't mean more people are attending from a specific area. For all you are aware they might be mostly oval ball fans. It's a BS argument any way as if people really want to attend they will. Team put the performance on the pitch and it won't matter as people will turn up.
Really that still doesn't mean buggar all still doesn't mean more people are attending from a specific area. For all you are aware they might be mostly oval ball fans. It's a BS argument any way as if people really want to attend they will. Team put the performance on the pitch and it won't matter as people will turn up.
Changing the location of the match definitely does mean more people will attend from some areas and less people will attend from others. To what proportions either way in this case, I don't know.
Really that still doesn't mean buggar all still doesn't mean more people are attending from a specific area. For all you are aware they might be mostly oval ball fans. It's a BS argument any way as if people really want to attend they will. Team put the performance on the pitch and it won't matter as people will turn up.
Changing the location of the match definitely does mean more people will attend from some areas and less people will attend from others. To what proportions either way in this case, I don't know.
Precisely, I'd probably argue you'd get less walk up fans because the station/stadium is actually in town. Never been to the Hutt Reck so can't comment, but this is literally a situation that most football fans want. A city based team. Would be an inconvenience for them to move there for me but i'd still go. As long as it was covered (section of uncovered is good too), decent amenities and transport, i'm OK with it. They'd have to do a lot to upgrade it from a corporate perspective too (from what I can gather re: what others have said). I really wish they'd thought about the stadium design properly. AFL / Cricket, poor options to have in a stadium that generally houses rugby and football.
Mods, I reckon the last 20 or so posts should go in the "Alternative Wellington Stadium" thread
I really wish they'd thought about the stadium design properly. AFL / Cricket, poor options to have in a stadium that generally houses rugby and football.
The thing is, when the stadium was being designed and built, ODIs were attracting crowds of 15-20,000 regularly around the country, and it was felt that Wellington was missing out because the Basin doesn't have that kind of capacity. And it seemed a good idea early on, I remember an ODI against Australia in around 2000 or 2001 that drew a close to capacity crowd. You also have to remember that at this time, no-one even contemplated the possibility that Wellington would have a professional football team, A-league didn't even exist back then.
Obviously all of this changed within less than 10 years of the stadium being built, and it's pretty apparent now that what needed to be done is an upgrade of the Basin, and a rectangular stadium at the Westpac site with maybe 20,000 capacity. But hindsight is a wonderful thing, foreseeing how things would turn out when the stadium was being talked about and designed around 1996/1997 would have been almost impossible.
Mods, I reckon the last 20 or so posts should go in the "Alternative Wellington Stadium" thread
Agree.
Can people use this please. https://www.yellowfever.co.nz/categories/wellingto...
Maybe we should be talking about this. Good, positive stuff from Rob...
Football: Wellington Phoenix chairman confident of club's long-term future
The Wellington Phoenix are here to stay, with an A-League future that will stretch beyond the next few years.
That's the assurance from Phoenix chairman Rob Morrison, who added the franchise is still open to partnering with another club, if beneficial to both. And he also dismissed any suggestions the club was considering relocating to the Hutt Recreation ground.
Maybe we should be talking about this. Good, positive stuff from Rob...
Football: Wellington Phoenix chairman confident of club's long-term future
The Wellington Phoenix are here to stay, with an A-League future that will stretch beyond the next few years.
That's the assurance from Phoenix chairman Rob Morrison, who added the franchise is still open to partnering with another club, if beneficial to both. And he also dismissed any suggestions the club was considering relocating to the Hutt Recreation ground.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?...
The word 'positive' might prevent people from talking about it!
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
Maybe we should be talking about this. Good, positive stuff from Rob...
Football: Wellington Phoenix chairman confident of club's long-term future
The Wellington Phoenix are here to stay, with an A-League future that will stretch beyond the next few years.
That's the assurance from Phoenix chairman Rob Morrison, who added the franchise is still open to partnering with another club, if beneficial to both. And he also dismissed any suggestions the club was considering relocating to the Hutt Recreation ground.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?...
The word 'positive' might prevent people from talking about it!
More good stuff from Morrison. Long may it continue and hope it bears fruit in the long term. He seems to be a very well respected person, good to have him fighting the clubs corner.
I've noticed a few folk saying posters are nagative on here, maybe because I've signed up during a good year, but can't say I've noticed anything? Certainly nowhere near as negative as the Aberdeen board I mod ?
I've noticed a few folk saying posters are nagative on here, maybe because I've signed up during a good year, but can't say I've noticed anything? Certainly nowhere near as negative as the Aberdeen board I mod ?
Since #savethenix had us all invested in trying to get crowds up, and the few years of the team being below average, there has been plenty of unhappy posters over the years. It's just part and parcel unfortunately.
I've just re-borrowed the matchday programme for the Sat, 26 Jan game against Mel C. There was part of David Dome's 'Message of Welcome' that I didn't remember having seen reported anywhere else:
He says a few things about the Wed, 23 Jan game vs Sydney, then goes on as follows:
In a half time chat in front of our corporate partners and VIP dignitaries, Greg noted that Wellington Phoenix has well and truly earned the respect of the football public in Australia. He reiterated Fox Sports pundit Mark Bosnich's view point made on a recent Hyundai A-League Hour that Wellington are very much a title contender and have some of the very best players in the League and one of the best coaches.
He also talked about the future plans to expand the A-League to 11, 12, 14 and eventually 16 teams. As part of those evaluations, New Zealand is still very much in the picture. Wellington of course, but other centres as well. As long as the sporting public in New Zealand continue to support the club by attending and watching games, and the team continues to contribute on the field, then we are seen as a vital member of the League.
He then goes on to talk about the next home game being at Eden Park.
"You've nailed it in a nutshell." - Mark Rudan
I've just re-borrowed the matchday programme for the Sat, 26 Jan game against Mel C. There was part of David Dome's 'Message of Welcome' that I didn't remember having seen reported anywhere else:
He says a few things about the Wed, 23 Jan game vs Sydney, then goes on as follows:
In a half time chat in front of our corporate partners and VIP dignitaries, Greg noted that Wellington Phoenix has well and truly earned the respect of the football public in Australia. He reiterated Fox Sports pundit Mark Bosnich's view point made on a recent Hyundai A-League Hour that Wellington are very much a title contender and have some of the very best players in the League and one of the best coaches.
He also talked about the future plans to expand the A-League to 11, 12, 14 and eventually 16 teams. As part of those evaluations, New Zealand is still very much in the picture. Wellington of course, but other centres as well. As long as the sporting public in New Zealand continue to support the club by attending and watching games, and the team continues to contribute on the field, then we are seen as a vital member of the League.
He then goes on to talk about the next home game being at Eden Park.
Good news.
I'm sure if the crowd is 20,000 plus on Friday that will be noticed over the Tasman at FFA headquarters, plus also the various members of the New Leagues Working Group (NLWG). They want A League expansion.
I'm sure it will occur to them that Auckland is the biggest market within Australasia without an A League side.
The FFA/Foxtel luuve derbies. Auckland v Wellington would be a NZ derby.
Be interesting to see if they (whoever is running the A League) just wait for some Auckland based bid to come to them (could be a long wait!), or actively approach NZF/ACFC or whoever to see if they can encourage an Auckland franchise bid to unearth itself.
Anyway encouraging musings from O'Rourke.
I've just re-borrowed the matchday programme for the Sat, 26 Jan game against Mel C. There was part of David Dome's 'Message of Welcome' that I didn't remember having seen reported anywhere else:
He says a few things about the Wed, 23 Jan game vs Sydney, then goes on as follows:
In a half time chat in front of our corporate partners and VIP dignitaries, Greg noted that Wellington Phoenix has well and truly earned the respect of the football public in Australia. He reiterated Fox Sports pundit Mark Bosnich's view point made on a recent Hyundai A-League Hour that Wellington are very much a title contender and have some of the very best players in the League and one of the best coaches.
He also talked about the future plans to expand the A-League to 11, 12, 14 and eventually 16 teams. As part of those evaluations, New Zealand is still very much in the picture. Wellington of course, but other centres as well. As long as the sporting public in New Zealand continue to support the club by attending and watching games, and the team continues to contribute on the field, then we are seen as a vital member of the League.
He then goes on to talk about the next home game being at Eden Park.
Don't trust that O'Rourke bloke as far as I could throw him (i.e. not much at all).
a.haak
I've just re-borrowed the matchday programme for the Sat, 26 Jan game against Mel C. There was part of David Dome's 'Message of Welcome' that I didn't remember having seen reported anywhere else:
He says a few things about the Wed, 23 Jan game vs Sydney, then goes on as follows:
In a half time chat in front of our corporate partners and VIP dignitaries, Greg noted that Wellington Phoenix has well and truly earned the respect of the football public in Australia. He reiterated Fox Sports pundit Mark Bosnich's view point made on a recent Hyundai A-League Hour that Wellington are very much a title contender and have some of the very best players in the League and one of the best coaches.
He also talked about the future plans to expand the A-League to 11, 12, 14 and eventually 16 teams. As part of those evaluations, New Zealand is still very much in the picture. Wellington of course, but other centres as well. As long as the sporting public in New Zealand continue to support the club by attending and watching games, and the team continues to contribute on the field, then we are seen as a vital member of the League.
He then goes on to talk about the next home game being at Eden Park.
Don't trust that O'Rourke bloke as far as I could throw him (i.e. not much at all).
Likely PR spin to ensure sponsors keep pumping money in on the premise of greater exposure. The sponsors are not the problem here but the vested interest of those within FFA as to how the money is spent, are
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
If this is fact, I am buzzing. Now it is up to fans to start showing up to games. Yes, the club can look for better players but we really need to start turning up again. The honeymoon is over, yet I still feel as excited as I did that very first game of season one - for the Nix.
I think there is a long road back, but at least if the long term is secure then some of the negativity will hopefully disappear
Well our attendances are now only the third worst in the league (despite one of the most successful seasons in the club's history so far).
Surprising that Melbourne City now join the Mariners as the only clubs with worse average attendances than the Nix.
And you don't hear noises across the Tasman asking for City to be axed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_A-League#Attendances
(Wanderers should be above the Nix on that table because they have better average attendances)
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
Does anyone else find it bizarre that some clubs have similar or lower average attendances than club members? Who are the people joining the club but not turning up?
Different culture in Aus. Particularly in the AFL states where many people are members of the AFL clubs but don't attend matches. It's just a tradition that you have a membership. Richmond for example last season had 100k members but an average home crowd of 61K.
Different culture in Aus. Particularly in the AFL states where many people are members of the AFL clubs but don't attend matches. It's just a tradition that you have a membership. Richmond for example last season had 100k members but an average home crowd of 61K.
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Different culture in Aus. Particularly in the AFL states where many people are members of the AFL clubs but don't attend matches. It's just a tradition that you have a membership. Richmond for example last season had 100k members but an average home crowd of 61K.
That's why the Marconi Club has (had) bigger membership than Sydney FC, as it was about the social club first and foremost regardless of game attendances.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
If this is fact, I am buzzing. Now it is up to fans to start showing up to games. Yes, the club can look for better players but we really need to start turning up again. The honeymoon is over, yet I still feel as excited as I did that very first game of season one - for the Nix.
I think there is a long road back, but at least if the long term is secure then some of the negativity will hopefully disappear
Well our attendances are now only the third worst in the league (despite one of the most successful seasons in the club's history so far).
Surprising that Melbourne City now join the Mariners as the only clubs with worse average attendances than the Nix.
And you don't hear noises across the Tasman asking for City to be axed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_A-League#Attendances
(Wanderers should be above the Nix on that table because they have better average attendances)
There was an opinion article from SBS's The World Game that said Wellington currently offer more than City :)
If this is fact, I am buzzing. Now it is up to fans to start showing up to games. Yes, the club can look for better players but we really need to start turning up again. The honeymoon is over, yet I still feel as excited as I did that very first game of season one - for the Nix.
I think there is a long road back, but at least if the long term is secure then some of the negativity will hopefully disappear
Well our attendances are now only the third worst in the league (despite one of the most successful seasons in the club's history so far).
Surprising that Melbourne City now join the Mariners as the only clubs with worse average attendances than the Nix.
And you don't hear noises across the Tasman asking for City to be axed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_A-League#Attendances
(Wanderers should be above the Nix on that table because they have better average attendances)
There was an opinion article from SBS's The World Game that said Wellington currently offer more than City :)
But hey let's chuck a third team in Melbourne because derbies
If this is fact, I am buzzing. Now it is up to fans to start showing up to games. Yes, the club can look for better players but we really need to start turning up again. The honeymoon is over, yet I still feel as excited as I did that very first game of season one - for the Nix.
I think there is a long road back, but at least if the long term is secure then some of the negativity will hopefully disappear
Well our attendances are now only the third worst in the league (despite one of the most successful seasons in the club's history so far).
Surprising that Melbourne City now join the Mariners as the only clubs with worse average attendances than the Nix.
And you don't hear noises across the Tasman asking for City to be axed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_A-League#Attendances
(Wanderers should be above the Nix on that table because they have better average attendances)
There was an opinion article from SBS's The World Game that said Wellington currently offer more than City :)
But hey let's chuck a third team in Melbourne because derbies
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
Piney had Dome on today again for about 30 mins or so.
You can find it here - https://www.radiosport.co.nz/on-demand/week-on-demand/ and look for Tuesday. the first one is about 10mins into the 10:00-10:15 bit, covers all of the 10:15-10:30 and then some if the 10:30-45 bit.
Dome was pretty bullish, loves saying '100 percent', and said it when quizzed about the long term future of the Nix.
Also did 15 minutes on the daily football show pod today. Basically the same stuff but still worth a listen
Is it possible the Nix will meet some of these key metrics and gain another +3 years if Independent league doesn't happen soon then later?.
Mr Positive
A-League will be Independent for 2019/20 - The fine print will decide the OUR fate!
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A-League will be Independent for 2019/20 - The fine print will decide the OUR fate!
That really depends on whether there's agreement by 30 June. If not, there's every chance that things just won't happen in time for 2019/2020 season.
Also, from what I understand, the metrics have pretty much not been realistically attainable, so hoping for good news on that front probably not a great idea.
The independent A-league is basically the lifeline that WelNix have been working towards since 2016.
The metrics were bollocks. Half of the other teams in the league wouldn't be able to meet them so why do we have to. The sooner the FFA fudges off, the better.
The metrics were bollocks. Half of the other teams in the league wouldn't be able to meet them so why do we have to. The sooner the FFA fudges off, the better.
this is true, but the other clubs dont have a metrics component to keeping their license, they were given 20 years no questions. The FFA blatantly targeted the nix and accused them of doing nothing for the league. Getting rid of the FFA's control is our only hope as the numbers we had to meet were always impossible, simply because no other club was/is/will ever be meeting them.
Queenslander 3x a year.
That's not quite true. All clubs are required to meet minimum performance measures and ccm might be at risk of those if they finish last again next season. We just have additional measures.
Also, we agreed to them so it's not just the ffa here.
The ownership consortium may break up if progress is not made in some key areas.
That's not quite true. All clubs are required to meet minimum performance measures and ccm might be at risk of those if they finish last again next season. We just have additional measures.
Also, we agreed to them so it's not just the ffa here.
The ownership consortium may break up if progress is not made in some key areas.
Did you want to have a club existing in top flight football or not?
Nice straw man
Look, I know, but what else were they meant to do? Negotiate with dickheads who could at any point turn their backs on us completely?
Saying we agreed to it so we should abide by it is fudgeing stupid - it was under duress (i.e. your club won't exist unless you agree)
a.haak
Saying we agreed to it so we should abide by it is fudgeing stupid - it was under duress (i.e. your club won't exist unless you agree)
Mr Positive
Rob Morrison said publicly that they were happy, confident with the extension conditions and if they didn't meet these metrics it would give the ownership pause for consideration around sustainability.
My point is that our club's management have lead us to this point as well so while it is enjoyable to get riled up at ffa just remember there is plenty of others who might not have seen some of these unintended developments.
No one I know of on this forum foresaw the current drama unfolding but it is wrong to lay all the blame at ffa.
Saying we agreed to it so we should abide by it is fudgeing stupid - it was under duress (i.e. your club won't exist unless you agree)
O...k.
a.haak
