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^ I think he would be jumping the gun if he did.

He would benefit from being assistant coach for a few more years before getting his own gig I reckon.

He obviously earned enough respect with us with his work ethics and commitment to be considered for a full time position - which is great. I just question whether he wouldn't wanna wait a few more years before giving it a go

Cock
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I've been vocal against Greenie all year. I based that on how the FSE was going but then someone here pointed out that was largely Goulds domain. Not sure where I stand on this.

I really enjoy his interviews. He is a breathe of fresh air in today's sound bite copy and paste reporting.

Legend
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yeah Greenie has shown himself to be capable, I've liked the changes he's made with the players he has at his disposal, would be really interesting to see who he'd bring on board next year uif given the chance - I'm sure in an ideal worl he'd like to get more expeirience under a good coach, but perhaps he has gotten a taste for being in charge and wants more - he's not exactly done anything bad thus far. If the enxt two games go well I reckon we could probably do a lot worse than take Greenie on.

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Would you take Greenacre over Trani? Surely not, right?

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Fitzy wrote:


Would you take Greenacre over Trani? Surely not, right?

Trani was great with his analysis and was clearly as asset to the head coach, is he head coach material - I dunno? Greenie at least knows the team, appears to have clear ideas about the direction the cub needs to go in to be better - would I take one over the other? I really can't comment as I see them with Two separate skill sets.

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theprof wrote:

, appears to have clear ideas about the direction the cub needs to go in to be better

Is there something that he's said thats lead you to that impression?

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Fitzy wrote:


Would you take Greenacre over Trani? Surely not, right?


Question is - Greenie over Merrick? McKinna? Someone who has coached at this level and has a good record/trophies to show for it.


Listen here Fudgeface
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McKinna is NO chance of taking the job, so he shouldn't even be considered in any hypothetical situations. He's perfectly happy in his job at CCM, and I highly doubt he is going to walk out on his gig as Mayor of Gosford any time soon.

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Greenie wouldn't have the badges needed yet?

• Holder of FIFA Coaching Badge to A Level or equivalent
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Greenie wouldn't have the badges needed yet?

• Holder of FIFA Coaching Badge to A Level or equivalent
It would seem not. Not sure if it is something he could complete during the off season?
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He's in the process of completing the A badge now isn't he, not sure what he needs to do to get but he's on the pathway

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patrick478 wrote:

McKinna is NO chance of taking the job, so he shouldn't even be considered in any hypothetical situations. He's perfectly happy in his job at CCM, and I highly doubt he is going to walk out on his gig as Mayor of Gosford any time soon.


Fair enough. My point still stands though - why should we settle for Luc Tranny/Greenie when there are coaches in the market who have a lot more experience as Head Coach at this (or same/higher) level? 
I'm open to all suggestions, I just think we should be aiming as high as possible. 

As much as I love Greenie and valued Luc's input when he was here (he knows his tactics, that's for sure) - I hope there are higher-profile coaches in the 30+ CV's the Club is going through at the moment.
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Doesn't seem logical to choose Greenie. Then you have to find an assistant too. Moreover Greenie doesn't want the job and isn't ready by his own admission. Trani had a decent go as headcoach with his ACL run and I like him. Would love to see him back as an assistant. Is he still doing freelance work for us something or did I just think I'd read that? Personally I'd rather see Trani than any of the previous A-league coaches.

Really any discussion about known candidates is probably not going to get us anywhere as if the owners are to be believed we are looking internationally til April so hopefully we end up with some talented systematic coach we've never heard of and we can all pretend we never discussing the possibility of Miron or Merrick coaching us.


I just read that Trani doesn't appear to have a gig atm. Is this so and would he consider comming back as assistant if we promise never to ask him to work with the youth?

Chant Savant
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Wellington Phoenix FC Head Coach

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Wellington Phoenix FC Head Coach
The Wellington Phoenix Board’s long term vision is to build a club that is self-sustaining financially and which achieves the highest standards of excellence for the football played on the field and the corporate governance and structure off the field. We are seeking to establish a football culture, where the club is able to develop and nurture talent within that framework of excellence. On the field we want to develop a possession based playing style that is competitive, attractive and showcases the best of our talent.

THE JOB
The Head Coach of the Wellington Phoenix has ultimate responsibility for the on-field performance of the football Club. A summary of the Job Description is given below:
• Develop and execute team strategies and tactics to meet the Club’s on field objectives which are consistent with the Club’s overall strategic direction.
• In conjunction with the Football Committee the Head Coach is responsible for the selection and recruitment of players
• Within the structure of the training schedule determined by the High Performance Manager, execute the training schedule
• Responsible for team behaviour both on and off the pitch
• Work with the General Manager and Football Operations Manager on a player budget

THE REQUIREMENTS
• Holder of FIFA Coaching Badge to A Level or equivalent
• Substantial experience in leading programme planning and administration in football
• Demonstrated ability to utilise sports science, sports medicine and technical data analysis to add value to the training and coaching process
• Excellent interpersonal/ analytical/ evaluation/ planning skills
• High level of computer literacy
• Strong links with international football bodies
• Excellent written and oral communication skills

DETAILS
• Please submit a detailed CV with covering letter to the General Manager David Dome at [email protected]
• Applications close Friday 22 March 5pm (NZT).

Starting XI
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C-Diddy wrote:

• High level of computer literacy



The new coach has to be an IT Geek! What about PE teachers? 
Chant Savant
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number8 wrote:

C-Diddy wrote:

• High level of computer literacy



The new coach has to be an IT Geek! What about PE teachers? 
 

 

So He/She can clog onto the forums and read all the posts that call for his/her sacking!

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"   Within the structure of the training schedule determined by the High Performance Manager, execute the training schedule

Really so the coach isnt going to have the final say.If thats how its going to be can you really see any experienced coaches applying.I would have thought,say an Ange type guy got the job they would want to be pulling all the strings not some of those layed down by someone else.

Who is the High Performance Manager.Please no.

Marquee
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 Substantial experience in leading programme planning and administration in football. Would have thought that might count against Greenie.Would love to see him stay on as assistant though.

Early retirement
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C-Diddy wrote:


So He/She can clog onto the forums and read all the posts that call for his/her sacking!



Plus the budget doesn't run to newspaper subscriptions so coaching advice from Mark Reason, Danny Hay and Billy Harris needs to be read online.
Appiah without the pace
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theprof wrote:

He's in the process of completing the A badge now isn't he, not sure what he needs to do to get but he's on the pathway



I was under the impression he doesn't have any livences. Usually coaches need to do the C, B then A. Although you can get dispensation to C (and I think B) if you have represented you country.

Pretty sure that if all club agreement, a non-qualified coach is able to take the role. Pretty sure Kosimina doesn't have A, and hence why Trani took them during the ACL.
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2ndBest wrote:

theprof wrote:

He's in the process of completing the A badge now isn't he, not sure what he needs to do to get but he's on the pathway



I was under the impression he doesn't have any livences. Usually coaches need to do the C, B then A. Although you can get dispensation to C (and I think B) if you have represented you country.

Pretty sure that if all club agreement, a non-qualified coach is able to take the role. Pretty sure Kosimina doesn't have A, and hence why Trani took them during the ACL.

Did he not go to the UK last off season to do UEFA B?

His Wikipedia page says he holds UEFA B
Jag
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sthn.jeff wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

theprof wrote:

He's in the process of completing the A badge now isn't he, not sure what he needs to do to get but he's on the pathway



I was under the impression he doesn't have any livences. Usually coaches need to do the C, B then A. Although you can get dispensation to C (and I think B) if you have represented you country.

Pretty sure that if all club agreement, a non-qualified coach is able to take the role. Pretty sure Kosimina doesn't have A, and hence why Trani took them during the ACL.

Did he not go to the UK last off season to do UEFA B?

His Wikipedia page says he holds UEFA B

^ That's what I thought

First Team Squad
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almost 12 years

Jeff Vader wrote:

I've been vocal against Greenie all year. I based that on how the FSE was going but then someone here pointed out that was largely Goulds domain. Not sure where I stand on this.

I really enjoy his interviews. He is a breathe of fresh air in today's sound bite copy and paste reporting.


el Grap said that the FSE was Goulds gig but the club did say at the beginning of the season that the FSE was one of Greenies responsibilities.  The two games I saw live Greenie was there and he appeared to be calling most of the shots. The bottom line is the FSE team were a rabble. Also Greenie  supposedly had a big coaching imput to the attacking side of the Nix.....the record shows that we failed largely in this area too.
For all Greenacres enthusiasm and good interviews there is no way he is anywhere near the level to be a Head A-League coach. Sure since Ricki's departure there has been a change. But much of this is the usual bounce you get after a coach goes. Also, even though Greenie would have some imput into the change of fortunes of the team much of their resurgence is due to player power IMO. Domey supported this when he said the senior guys had rallied around and made a big push for more effort from the team. I suspect Iffil, Dura and co have played a big hand in this.
Greenie needs to go away and get some mileage, coaching in all situations for a variety of clubs. If he has success in this then sure we might welcome him back one day as head coach.
Still Believin'
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Surprised the job description doesn't mention that the head coach will need a pro license by the start of 2014/15 season, roughly 18 months away.

I suspect that some of the senior players are probably pushing Greenie to apply, but that's exactly why he shouldn't get it.

Greenie's performance over the last few weeks definitely makes him a good shot at staying on as an assistant though. Hopefully the new coach Lee Norfolk will see that too.

#norfolk4nix


Appiah without the pace
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Jag wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

theprof wrote:

He's in the process of completing the A badge now isn't he, not sure what he needs to do to get but he's on the pathway



I was under the impression he doesn't have any livences. Usually coaches need to do the C, B then A. Although you can get dispensation to C (and I think B) if you have represented you country.

Pretty sure that if all club agreement, a non-qualified coach is able to take the role. Pretty sure Kosimina doesn't have A, and hence why Trani took them during the ACL.

Did he not go to the UK last off season to do UEFA B?

His Wikipedia page says he holds UEFA B

^ That's what I thought


Must have missed that. Carry on.
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about 16 years

terminator_x wrote:

Surprised the job description doesn't mention that the head coach will need a pro license by the start of 2014/15 season, roughly 18 months away.

I suspect that some of the senior players are probably pushing Greenie to apply, but that's exactly why he shouldn't get it.

Greenie's performance over the last few weeks definitely makes him a good shot at staying on as an assistant though. Hopefully the new coach Lee Norfolk will see that too.

#norfolk4nix


Like this?

 • Holder of FIFA Coaching Badge to A Level or equivalent
First Team Squad
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ballane wrote:

"   Within the structure of the training schedule determined by the High Performance Manager, execute the training schedule

Really so the coach isnt going to have the final say.If thats how its going to be can you really see any experienced coaches applying.I would have thought,say an Ange type guy got the job they would want to be pulling all the strings not some of those layed down by someone else.

Who is the High Performance Manager.Please no.

Could be some title for a fitness trainer?

Still Believin'
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terminator_x wrote:

Surprised the job description doesn't mention that the head coach will need a pro license by the start of 2014/15 season, roughly 18 months away.

I suspect that some of the senior players are probably pushing Greenie to apply, but that's exactly why he shouldn't get it.

Greenie's performance over the last few weeks definitely makes him a good shot at staying on as an assistant though. Hopefully the new coach Lee Norfolk will see that too.

#norfolk4nix


Like this?

 • Holder of FIFA Coaching Badge to A Level or equivalent


Umm, the A license is the level below Pro license? Or am I missing something?


First Team Squad
280
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1.6K
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over 12 years

Wellington Phoenix FC Head Coach

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Wellington Phoenix FC Head Coach
The Wellington Phoenix Board’s long term vision is to build a club that is self-sustaining financially

 

 

To have something self-sustaining you would need quite clear ideas that if this was this way and this this way the desired aim could work.

Taking on younger players, developing them then perhaps selling them on may be good financially. A sure method?

 

What is one thing that they could identify as something that "if they had this this way"  their stated aim could happen?

Still Believin'
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terminator_x wrote:

terminator_x wrote:

Surprised the job description doesn't mention that the head coach will need a pro license by the start of 2014/15 season, roughly 18 months away.

I suspect that some of the senior players are probably pushing Greenie to apply, but that's exactly why he shouldn't get it.

Greenie's performance over the last few weeks definitely makes him a good shot at staying on as an assistant though. Hopefully the new coach Lee Norfolk will see that too.

#norfolk4nix


Like this?

 • Holder of FIFA Coaching Badge to A Level or equivalent


Umm, the A license is the level below Pro license? Or am I missing something?



Oops, I got that wrong. A-League coaches don't need a Pro Diploma (License?) until start of 2015/16. That's more like 2 and a half years away. Nah worries then eh?

http://www.footballfedtas.com.au/uploads/media/Minimum_Coaching_Requirements.pdf 

Appiah without the pace
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 Throw Oughton into the mix

http://www.dispatch.com/content/blogs/covering-the-crew/2013/03/oughton.html

Marquee
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over 17 years

2ndBest wrote:

 Throw Oughton into the mix

http://www.dispatch.com/content/blogs/covering-the-crew/2013/03/oughton.html


That's an interesting one.  My understanding was that his role at the Crew was basically created for him after he retired because they wanted to keep him around the club as he's a legend there - it's seems kind of bits and pieces (an assistant coach, assistant technical director, commentary).  Quite a step up to a head coach role...
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over 17 years


The most important thing is the new coaches name has the right syllables for the Yellow Army chant ie not Ange

Phoenix Academy
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500
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over 12 years

I would be disappointed if Greenie got the current job, if the position became available in three years and he applied i would welcome the appointment.


 

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almost 12 years

Duncan Oughton... really? No thanks.

RR
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about 16 years

Sackofspuds wrote:

Duncan Oughton... really? No thanks.

Dome did mention interest from the US in the Podcast, maybe was him.
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Sackofspuds wrote:

Duncan Oughton... really? No thanks.

Dome did mention interest from the US in the Podcast, maybe was him.


I hope not! Really don't think he is a good option. Sounds like he's just a bit of a novelty at Columbus.
Still Believin'
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Oughton doesn't have enough EPL experience for me.

#norfolk4nix


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