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Ernie Merrick - former Phoenix manager

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over 9 years ago

I would like to see us play a 4 - 4 - 2.

Tratt - Dura - Rossi - Doyle

Barbs - A ROD - McG - ?

   Watson - Krishna

Not sure who I would play wide left, Parkhouse in his natural position, Fenton and McGarry are other options.

I would like to see Rufer come in until McG is fit... Lia offers nothing moving forward, bring him on to help see out a game if needed.

over 9 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

For all the poor results we had, Ernie had us playing some of the most exciting football I've ever witnessed live and he gave us a genuine chance at winning the title. Really hope whoever comes in can bring the best out of the quality players in the squad and give that sort of hope again

We have also played some god awful dire crap under Ernie. 

Sure we had some stinkers, but remember we use to be a team that would sit back and defend and just launch crossed into the box. That was literally all we did. And away games we almost always looked getting smashed.

We definitely played better football under Merrick. Though I'm lost for why our home record dropped so much under his watch. 

Absolutely undoubtedly we have played a prettier brand of football, but somehow the mix just hasn't been right.  Maybe you need deeper pockets and an ability to wrought the Cap to play pretty football and win a League or even challenge for a league.

We have had three seasons of pretty football, of which two and a half seasons the results have been mixed at best. We just don't seem to have the depth of personnel to be able to pull it off and yes there are reasons why with international windows but unfortunately they are a fact of life for us although oddly enough they have been worse in previous years.

I admire and respect Ernie for what he has achieved not just for the first team but with the club as a whole, but ultimately only one thing matters.

I wonder how much more than us Adelaide or Brisbane spend, I would think this season we're all pretty close.

over 9 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

For all the poor results we had, Ernie had us playing some of the most exciting football I've ever witnessed live and he gave us a genuine chance at winning the title. Really hope whoever comes in can bring the best out of the quality players in the squad and give that sort of hope again

We have also played some god awful dire crap under Ernie. 

Sure we had some stinkers, but remember we use to be a team that would sit back and defend and just launch crossed into the box. That was literally all we did. And away games we almost always looked getting smashed.

We definitely played better football under Merrick. Though I'm lost for why our home record dropped so much under his watch. 

My biggest criticism is he seemed to have a very casual attitude to defensive solidity (the old call of you score 3 and we'll score 4).  I think that was a bit unrealistic when we did have generally less resources than the opposition and when the goals dried up we were just so easy to beat because we give up 2 goals a game.  When we lost attacking form we just looked so dire because conceding goals was just inevitable.  You look at the signings we made in the off season and apart from Rossi, where we had such an obvious need to recruit an experienced player, they were all signings that were intended to help us score more goals but it left us very unbalanced across the park. 

Normo's coming home

over 9 years ago

james dean wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

For all the poor results we had, Ernie had us playing some of the most exciting football I've ever witnessed live and he gave us a genuine chance at winning the title. Really hope whoever comes in can bring the best out of the quality players in the squad and give that sort of hope again

We have also played some god awful dire crap under Ernie. 

Sure we had some stinkers, but remember we use to be a team that would sit back and defend and just launch crossed into the box. That was literally all we did. And away games we almost always looked getting smashed.

We definitely played better football under Merrick. Though I'm lost for why our home record dropped so much under his watch. 

My biggest criticism is he seemed to have a very casual attitude to defensive solidity (the old call of you score 3 and we'll score 4).  I think that was a bit unrealistic when we did have generally less resources than the opposition and when the goals dried up we were just so easy to beat because we give up 2 goals a game.  When we lost attacking form we just looked so dire because conceding goals was just inevitable.  You look at the signings we made in the off season and apart from Rossi, where we had such an obvious need to recruit an experienced player, they were all signings that were intended to help us score more goals but it left us very unbalanced across the park. 

I actually think that our defense this season has been much improved. You compare us to the rest of the league and we are 2nd equal for clean sheets and about middle of pack regarding shots on target conceded per game. In the context of the HAL, our defense is not that bad - it's our goal scoring which has been poor, we have had 100 shots and only scored 6 goals.

over 9 years ago

Do people really think our brand of football has been consistently pretty? I think in the Burns era it was but much of it since has been laboured and dull. Yeah we've kept possession better than under Ricki but I don't think it's been particularly good to watch. There hasn't been crisp, focussed passing or any sort of creativity for much of the last season and a half. Patches here and there where we string some nice football together but only a few times a game I think.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

over 9 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

For all the poor results we had, Ernie had us playing some of the most exciting football I've ever witnessed live and he gave us a genuine chance at winning the title. Really hope whoever comes in can bring the best out of the quality players in the squad and give that sort of hope again

We have also played some god awful dire crap under Ernie. 

Sure we had some stinkers, but remember we use to be a team that would sit back and defend and just launch crossed into the box. That was literally all we did.

What about the 'Ifill chop'. Nice revised history.

A fan is a fan.

over 9 years ago

Do people really think our brand of football has been consistently pretty? I think in the Burns era it was but much of it since has been laboured and dull. Yeah we've kept possession better than under Ricki but I don't think it's been particularly good to watch. There hasn't been crisp, focussed passing or any sort of creativity for much of the last season and a half. Patches here and there where we string some nice football together but only a few times a game I think.

Agree completely, I think over the last year or so, the football has been pretty dour and uninspiring.

over 9 years ago

Bullion wrote:

james dean wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

For all the poor results we had, Ernie had us playing some of the most exciting football I've ever witnessed live and he gave us a genuine chance at winning the title. Really hope whoever comes in can bring the best out of the quality players in the squad and give that sort of hope again

We have also played some god awful dire crap under Ernie. 

Sure we had some stinkers, but remember we use to be a team that would sit back and defend and just launch crossed into the box. That was literally all we did. And away games we almost always looked getting smashed.

We definitely played better football under Merrick. Though I'm lost for why our home record dropped so much under his watch. 

My biggest criticism is he seemed to have a very casual attitude to defensive solidity (the old call of you score 3 and we'll score 4).  I think that was a bit unrealistic when we did have generally less resources than the opposition and when the goals dried up we were just so easy to beat because we give up 2 goals a game.  When we lost attacking form we just looked so dire because conceding goals was just inevitable.  You look at the signings we made in the off season and apart from Rossi, where we had such an obvious need to recruit an experienced player, they were all signings that were intended to help us score more goals but it left us very unbalanced across the park. 

I actually think that our defense this season has been much improved. You compare us to the rest of the league and we are 2nd equal for clean sheets and about middle of pack regarding shots on target conceded per game. In the context of the HAL, our defense is not that bad - it's our goal scoring which has been poor, we have had 100 shots and only scored 6 goals.

We've conceded 14 in 8 - it's not good.  And you illustrate my point, we expect to concede to when we don't score it's bad

Normo's coming home

over 9 years ago

Do people really think our brand of football has been consistently pretty? I think in the Burns era it was but much of it since has been laboured and dull. Yeah we've kept possession better than under Ricki but I don't think it's been particularly good to watch. There hasn't been crisp, focussed passing or any sort of creativity for much of the last season and a half. Patches here and there where we string some nice football together but only a few times a game I think.

I reckon people need to stop watching top tier European football, then their expectations adjust to appropriate HAL levels.

:P

over 9 years ago

Do people really think our brand of football has been consistently pretty? I think in the Burns era it was but much of it since has been laboured and dull. Yeah we've kept possession better than under Ricki but I don't think it's been particularly good to watch. There hasn't been crisp, focussed passing or any sort of creativity for much of the last season and a half. Patches here and there where we string some nice football together but only a few times a game I think.

We have been very guilty of playing in front of defences.  We don't have a lot of good possession in the front third

Normo's coming home

over 9 years ago

Do people really think our brand of football has been consistently pretty? I think in the Burns era it was but much of it since has been laboured and dull. Yeah we've kept possession better than under Ricki but I don't think it's been particularly good to watch. There hasn't been crisp, focussed passing or any sort of creativity for much of the last season and a half. Patches here and there where we string some nice football together but only a few times a game I think.

ding!

A fan is a fan.

over 9 years ago · edited over 9 years ago · History

james dean wrote:

Bullion wrote:

james dean wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

For all the poor results we had, Ernie had us playing some of the most exciting football I've ever witnessed live and he gave us a genuine chance at winning the title. Really hope whoever comes in can bring the best out of the quality players in the squad and give that sort of hope again

We have also played some god awful dire crap under Ernie. 

Sure we had some stinkers, but remember we use to be a team that would sit back and defend and just launch crossed into the box. That was literally all we did. And away games we almost always looked getting smashed.

We definitely played better football under Merrick. Though I'm lost for why our home record dropped so much under his watch. 

My biggest criticism is he seemed to have a very casual attitude to defensive solidity (the old call of you score 3 and we'll score 4).  I think that was a bit unrealistic when we did have generally less resources than the opposition and when the goals dried up we were just so easy to beat because we give up 2 goals a game.  When we lost attacking form we just looked so dire because conceding goals was just inevitable.  You look at the signings we made in the off season and apart from Rossi, where we had such an obvious need to recruit an experienced player, they were all signings that were intended to help us score more goals but it left us very unbalanced across the park. 

I actually think that our defense this season has been much improved. You compare us to the rest of the league and we are 2nd equal for clean sheets and about middle of pack regarding shots on target conceded per game. In the context of the HAL, our defense is not that bad - it's our goal scoring which has been poor, we have had 100 shots and only scored 6 goals.

We've conceded 14 in 8 - it's not good.  And you illustrate my point, we expect to concede to when we don't score it's bad

Almost half of those goals conceded came in one game when we were a man down - it reads 8 conceded in 7 for the other games. And if we had the worst defense in the league then do criticise us.
over 9 years ago

james dean wrote:

Do people really think our brand of football has been consistently pretty? I think in the Burns era it was but much of it since has been laboured and dull. Yeah we've kept possession better than under Ricki but I don't think it's been particularly good to watch. There hasn't been crisp, focussed passing or any sort of creativity for much of the last season and a half. Patches here and there where we string some nice football together but only a few times a game I think.

We have been very guilty of playing in front of defences.  We don't have a lot of good possession in the front third

That has been the biggest disappointment for me this season. We have two of the fastest in the league up front and we just don't seem to be able to get them in any space. We have looked ok passing in the defensive and middle third, but it is all very laboured and slow
over 9 years ago

Bullion wrote:

james dean wrote:

Bullion wrote:

james dean wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

For all the poor results we had, Ernie had us playing some of the most exciting football I've ever witnessed live and he gave us a genuine chance at winning the title. Really hope whoever comes in can bring the best out of the quality players in the squad and give that sort of hope again

We have also played some god awful dire crap under Ernie. 

Sure we had some stinkers, but remember we use to be a team that would sit back and defend and just launch crossed into the box. That was literally all we did. And away games we almost always looked getting smashed.

We definitely played better football under Merrick. Though I'm lost for why our home record dropped so much under his watch. 

My biggest criticism is he seemed to have a very casual attitude to defensive solidity (the old call of you score 3 and we'll score 4).  I think that was a bit unrealistic when we did have generally less resources than the opposition and when the goals dried up we were just so easy to beat because we give up 2 goals a game.  When we lost attacking form we just looked so dire because conceding goals was just inevitable.  You look at the signings we made in the off season and apart from Rossi, where we had such an obvious need to recruit an experienced player, they were all signings that were intended to help us score more goals but it left us very unbalanced across the park. 

I actually think that our defense this season has been much improved. You compare us to the rest of the league and we are 2nd equal for clean sheets and about middle of pack regarding shots on target conceded per game. In the context of the HAL, our defense is not that bad - it's our goal scoring which has been poor, we have had 100 shots and only scored 6 goals.

We've conceded 14 in 8 - it's not good.  And you illustrate my point, we expect to concede to when we don't score it's bad

Almost half of those goals conceded came in one game when we were a man down - it reads 8 conceded in 7 for the other games. And if we had the worst defense in the league then do criticise us.

We conceded 156 in 90 games under him so not only talking about this season

Normo's coming home

over 9 years ago · edited over 9 years ago · History

Do people really think our brand of football has been consistently pretty? I think in the Burns era it was but much of it since has been laboured and dull. Yeah we've kept possession better than under Ricki but I don't think it's been particularly good to watch. There hasn't been crisp, focussed passing or any sort of creativity for much of the last season and a half. Patches here and there where we string some nice football together but only a few times a game I think.

It's been, overall, godawful to watch for for the last one and a half seasons, with good games spattered in between. The only thing that kept us going was a bit of Roly brilliance last season and a bit of Krishna brilliance this.

a.haak

over 9 years ago

james dean wrote:

Bullion wrote:

james dean wrote:

Bullion wrote:

james dean wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

For all the poor results we had, Ernie had us playing some of the most exciting football I've ever witnessed live and he gave us a genuine chance at winning the title. Really hope whoever comes in can bring the best out of the quality players in the squad and give that sort of hope again

We have also played some god awful dire crap under Ernie. 

Sure we had some stinkers, but remember we use to be a team that would sit back and defend and just launch crossed into the box. That was literally all we did. And away games we almost always looked getting smashed.

We definitely played better football under Merrick. Though I'm lost for why our home record dropped so much under his watch. 

My biggest criticism is he seemed to have a very casual attitude to defensive solidity (the old call of you score 3 and we'll score 4).  I think that was a bit unrealistic when we did have generally less resources than the opposition and when the goals dried up we were just so easy to beat because we give up 2 goals a game.  When we lost attacking form we just looked so dire because conceding goals was just inevitable.  You look at the signings we made in the off season and apart from Rossi, where we had such an obvious need to recruit an experienced player, they were all signings that were intended to help us score more goals but it left us very unbalanced across the park. 

I actually think that our defense this season has been much improved. You compare us to the rest of the league and we are 2nd equal for clean sheets and about middle of pack regarding shots on target conceded per game. In the context of the HAL, our defense is not that bad - it's our goal scoring which has been poor, we have had 100 shots and only scored 6 goals.

We've conceded 14 in 8 - it's not good.  And you illustrate my point, we expect to concede to when we don't score it's bad

Almost half of those goals conceded came in one game when we were a man down - it reads 8 conceded in 7 for the other games. And if we had the worst defense in the league then do criticise us.

We conceded 156 in 90 games under him so not only talking about this season

Fair enough, though doesn't address the point that our defense has been improved this season.

over 9 years ago

just get rid of the players and bring in new players to do the playing better than the old players that'll fix it


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

over 9 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

just get rid of the players and bring in new players to do the playing better than the old players that'll fix it

Apart from Lia - Every Nix team must have Lia.

over 9 years ago

I have a lot of respect for Simon Hill compared with most of the other commentators but I'm not all that impressed by him bringing up the future of the club yet again. Can't anyone over in Australia actually give the NIX the 4 years they are entitled to before they start writing the club off? I know he didn't mean it that severely but still I don't think he should have mentioned it.

bling blang blah
over 9 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

just get rid of the players and bring in new players to do the playing better than the old players that'll fix it

New coach, 23 new players, new home stadium, probably new owners. Is there anything I've missed?


Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads



over 9 years ago

Doloras wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

just get rid of the players and bring in new players to do the playing better than the old players that'll fix it

New coach, 23 new players, new home stadium, probably new owners. Is there anything I've missed?

Move to Auckland
over 9 years ago

Doloras wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

just get rid of the players and bring in new players to do the playing better than the old players that'll fix it

New coach, 23 new players, new home stadium, probably new owners. Is there anything I've missed?

New ticket scanners at the stadium, or new season passes, whichever one is shark replace them.

over 9 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Doloras wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

just get rid of the players and bring in new players to do the playing better than the old players that'll fix it

New coach, 23 new players, new home stadium, probably new owners. Is there anything I've missed?

Move to Auckland

That has been tried before.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

over 9 years ago


Allegedly

over 9 years ago · edited over 9 years ago · History

Anyway, obviously lots of people have lots of options (and obviously mine is right) on the results/product, but I think most of us can agree that he's handled himself with class by fronting the media today.

It would quite easy to slip back to melbourne and jut did a sole interview with someone he trusts. 

over 9 years ago

I think everyone can agree that Ernie has been all class, all the time. Great guy. It's not often a coach resigns from a club but still has every fans respect.

a.haak

over 9 years ago

do we need/have room for a director of football? could fit ernie quite well...

i think the fronting of the media just shows the mana of the man really. he is a class act, even at the end. 

I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
over 9 years ago

kwlap wrote:

do we need/have room for a director of football? (---)

Ricki Herbert last I heard but I may be behind with the news tweets

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

over 9 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Do people really think our brand of football has been consistently pretty? I think in the Burns era it was but much of it since has been laboured and dull. Yeah we've kept possession better than under Ricki but I don't think it's been particularly good to watch. There hasn't been crisp, focussed passing or any sort of creativity for much of the last season and a half. Patches here and there where we string some nice football together but only a few times a game I think.

I reckon people need to stop watching top tier European football, then their expectations adjust to appropriate HAL levels.

:P

we're dull even by A League standards though!

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

over 9 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Do people really think our brand of football has been consistently pretty? I think in the Burns era it was but much of it since has been laboured and dull. Yeah we've kept possession better than under Ricki but I don't think it's been particularly good to watch. There hasn't been crisp, focussed passing or any sort of creativity for much of the last season and a half. Patches here and there where we string some nice football together but only a few times a game I think.

I reckon people need to stop watching top tier European football, then their expectations adjust to appropriate HAL levels.

:P

we're dull even by A League standards though!

How many teams this season have been playing shekshy football?

over 9 years ago

Doloras wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

just get rid of the players and bring in new players to do the playing better than the old players that'll fix it

New coach, 23 new players, new home stadium, probably new owners. Is there anything I've missed?

Some decent fans would be great ...

over 9 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Do people really think our brand of football has been consistently pretty? I think in the Burns era it was but much of it since has been laboured and dull. Yeah we've kept possession better than under Ricki but I don't think it's been particularly good to watch. There hasn't been crisp, focussed passing or any sort of creativity for much of the last season and a half. Patches here and there where we string some nice football together but only a few times a game I think.

I reckon people need to stop watching top tier European football, then their expectations adjust to appropriate HAL levels.

:P

we're dull even by A League standards though!

How many teams this season have been playing shekshy football?

City. Brisbane, Adelaide, Victory generally play good football.

over 9 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Do people really think our brand of football has been consistently pretty? I think in the Burns era it was but much of it since has been laboured and dull. Yeah we've kept possession better than under Ricki but I don't think it's been particularly good to watch. There hasn't been crisp, focussed passing or any sort of creativity for much of the last season and a half. Patches here and there where we string some nice football together but only a few times a game I think.

I reckon people need to stop watching top tier European football, then their expectations adjust to appropriate HAL levels.

:P

we're dull even by A League standards though!

How many teams this season have been playing shekshy football?

City. Brisbane, Adelaide, Victory generally play good football.

I believed you until you said Adelaide. They've been absolutely woeful to watch this season.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

over 9 years ago

kwlap wrote:

do we need/have room for a director of football? could fit ernie quite well...

i think the fronting of the media just shows the mana of the man really. he is a class act, even at the end. 

We already have one, just without the actual "Director of Football" title]. Shaun Gill, football operations manager.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

over 9 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Do people really think our brand of football has been consistently pretty? I think in the Burns era it was but much of it since has been laboured and dull. Yeah we've kept possession better than under Ricki but I don't think it's been particularly good to watch. There hasn't been crisp, focussed passing or any sort of creativity for much of the last season and a half. Patches here and there where we string some nice football together but only a few times a game I think.

I reckon people need to stop watching top tier European football, then their expectations adjust to appropriate HAL levels.

:P

we're dull even by A League standards though!

How many teams this season have been playing shekshy football?

City. Brisbane, Adelaide, Victory generally play good football.

I believed you until you said Adelaide. They've been absolutely woeful to watch this season.

Not this season, sure. They usually do, however. They are reliant on having their key players on the field.

over 9 years ago

As are we. 


Allegedly

over 9 years ago

Merrick was a class act. very dry with the media which I liked.

He did build this squad and it was/is his team.

I feel sorry for the next coach coming in and am sorry merrick didn't wait till the end of the season to step down and give the new coach time to bring his/her own players in.

Good luck to Ramon if he applies.

"Ufuk with the Club, Ufuk with the Country".

 If your girlfriend's got gloves, she's a keeper.

over 9 years ago

mjp2 wrote:

Some decent fans

oxymoron

A fan is a fan.

over 9 years ago

Ernie don't like us

Yellow Fever

Yellow Fever

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