Expanding ASB Prem

Expanding ASB Prem

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Who would you like to see added to the ASB Premiership?

Phoenix A (Reserves/Academy)??
Nelson??
North Shore - 3rd Auckland team
Ard Choille2011-12-07 15:45:23

North Shore. Hard News2011-12-07 15:50:28

why is this bit highlighted lol

Perhaps because one, or maybe more, NZFC team(s) are yet to pay their bill this year.

1) Phoenix A
2) North Shore
 

Phoenix A is not a reality unless you can get all the franchises to agree to wave the competition rules to allow a professional team in and wave the 30 days stand down. Its failed before and rumour is the big two are not keen on it.

What I've heard is most clubs aren't keen on it, because they simply do not want the league to have professional elements to it. For a club like Otago United, where 70% of income comes from grant money, anything that presents the league as professional leads to difficulties with securing the grant money.

Question was: "Who would you like to see added to the ASB Premiership?".

That's why I said Phoenix A and North Shore.

Of course I agree that majority of the clubs (especially top two) wouldn't support Phoenix A, and I don't have any doubts that ASB league rules and regulations prevent  a professional team to enter in an amateur league.

On the other hand, in my humble opinion,  what would be the best for NZ young players and NZ Football is what I suggested.

It should be noted that a lot of these rules applied that restrixt this aren't NZFs but are FIFA rules and also impacts from the US NCAA rules.

These can't just be overridden for the ASB Premiership.

Whats the logic behind this North Shore rubbish? Would rather see BOP, or Ole Madrids

It's a hotbed of football...

Phoenix Reserves would be my preferred and only choice. Stefan2011-12-09 14:32:16

They'l just buy in players like the other lot up there. Id like to see more geographic distribution first. Nelson have a strong football community

Expand to an uneven number of teams. Bye round = play against Phoenix A on a completely unofficial basis - thus bypassing international transfers, NCAA concerns etc. Same as last year, except with more matches and on weekend match dates.

I'd have a third Auckland team as #9. If we went so far as 11, I'd add Nelson and a fourth Auckland team.

As much as I'd love to see a Bay of Plenty team and think it would succeed in terms of support, I'd be concerned about the quality of local players available. Waikato FC is bad enough, and Hamilton actually has top-division winter clubs.

For those who think the Phoenix A should be in the ASB prem dream on it will not ever happen. Whos to say the Nix a will be still going in two years time?
The ASB prem needs T.V. coverage before adding more average teams to the competition, if the standard of new teams are upto ACFC level then go ahead expand but we all know that no other team/club in NZ is going to be without big$$ to fund them.
Canterbury United are trying to compete with ACFC but are still along way off being that good [on the park] or having that sort of money even allowing for them paying players in one form or another.

yes

The idea of a bye round and playing the Phoenix A has merit except there is a danger that teams will treat it exactly the same way as the 1st round of the White Ribbon Cup - leave the best players behind/rest/not risk injury and put out the reserves. How does that benefit the Phoenix A? I find it ironic that teams whinge that the league is broken up because of O League and they have no continuity afforded to them. Now that another competition has been found, the teams don't want to put out their best players and treat it seriously for the sake of that continuity.

Yet the ASB teams were still dominant ...

Have a Tauranga side. Decklan can have Waikato and keep embarressing himself with his youth side
while Tauranga can have all the ACTUAL best players in the waibop region e.g. Michael Mayne, Steven Halloway etc...
Maybe have the NZU20s in the NZFC?

I just wonder where the money and talent is going to come from? You would need a huge sponsor to begin with and where are bettertalented players going to come from? NZF has just started its second National Futsal League ( sponsored also by ASB) taking players already away from the NZFC plus pre-season football training starts in January with Series 2+3 ( futsal) scheduled for Feb and March in Auckland and Welington. Is there enough cash and players out there?

Personal view mate... The same logic like your behind BOP or Ole Madrids (can I say rubbish?).

S.A

North Shore Team, please. Will give me something to do!!!!

You thought i was serious? lulz

I must admit I did.

Apologies...

Cant believe you think that

Hopefully a North Shore team would help to break up the Auckland dominance.

Based on population size you should have at least 4 teams in Auckland.  You could add them without significantly increasing costs becase flying in and out of Auckland is cheap and you have the player base and population up there to support it.  If you want decent players you need to be able to offer them work outside football, and there is ar more of that in big centres.  If you do a BOP or Nelson you'll just end up with a load of local players which doesn't increase the standard and isn't particularly good for the league.  Plus the more derbies you have the more interest in the league raises a level. james dean2011-12-30 00:50:12

On the other hand adding more teams add costs to other teams outside of the region.

Not a fan of the idea - yet.

Disclaimer: this is a fairly uninformed opinion.Tegal2011-12-30 00:55:53

Yes definitely increases costs - just making the point that adding travel to auckland increases costs a lot less than every team needing to travel to say Nelson, plus Nelson team having to fly away every second week (travel costs are pooled and shared equally I believe).

You could easily make a strong BOP squad that could compete in the NZFC. They could beat Youngheart thats for sure.

That's hardly an achievement.

BOP vs Waikato would be a legit Derby. The problem is sorting which of the surrounding areas associate to which team like Rotorua, Taupo etc.. im quite certain they come under the BOP but there is so much controversy its hard to be certain about anything.

Taupo & Rotovegas = BoP
Tokoroa and Putaruru are Waikato

There is a devide in there somewhere

Nelson and Tauranga to make it ten.

No more in Auckland, ever. Why would anyone want more than two teams in one city.

You won't like London then.

Because there are 1.5 million people in auckland - plus it has jobs, sponsors and the media

I'd also add geographical spread. If Aucklanders refused to head up to Albany for the Knights, I'd imagine the inverse may also apply - Shore JAFAs finding Kiwitea/Fred Taylor to be too distant. Same deal for South Aucklanders. Having a North Shore and/or South Auckland team may open up the ASBP to potential supporters who may otherwise find attending in person to be a hassle. After all, that "one city" used to be four - and the two of those former cities without ASBP clubs were the 2nd and 5th most populated metropolitan areas in NZ.