Fever Zone performance v Heart

How did they get in? And stay in?

Maybe they are being laid over the live track in the studio, to give us a party flavour.

Definately saw them a couple of games ago - they were high up in row 29ish... Not there during the game in the bad weather though.

Maybe text security next time we hear them..... (or not)

I'm not overly fussed but curious about how you manage to "sneak" a drum in. Perhaps try a keg into the Zone next Sunday?

Arrange it with the stadium before the game, on the basis that the drum is part of a tribute for a Phoenix player playing their 101st game for the club. If it works with flags then it could work with drums (and kegs)...

12 Kegs of Lochhead for his 101st?

Deal

Slippery slope.

"Some fans" think real vuvuzelas add great atmosphere to a football game.

"Some fans" think loud hailers add great atmosphere to a football game.

"Some fans" think letting off flares add great atmosphere to a football game.

Then you get the majority of "casual" fans who find it annoying, and don't come back.

NO FUN SHALL BE HAD WHILE WATCHING THE FOOTBALLING

If people want to go to the stadium to watch a boring game with next to no atmosphere then they'll have to wait for the rugby.

The key point of difference we have is the atmosphere... be that chants, crowd, drums, flares, bonfires up the back of row 38, whatever.

There will always be 'some people' who don't like any given factor of any given event. What football offers is something different from the rugby/cricket/whatever else at the stadium. If that gets lost then the crowds will decline further as there's one/more less reason to make the choice to go see/hear/experience the Nix.

I sympathise with those against drums. I can't stand bagpipes from closer than a kilometre. But what if someone turned around and said there shouldn't be chanting?

It's not an easy matter to resolve really.

Flares is over the top. You saw in the MV game, one guy let off flares and the rest of the stand cleared out.Loud hailers are just a plain bad idea. The idea of one guy directing a crowd, I find kind of lame. Plus annoying for those around.

Only if it was for charity

Seagull...seagull......seagull

I remember when I started coming to games it took me ages to figure out you were literally talking about a seagull. I figured it was some in-joke I was missing

Loud-hailers come in useful with large crowds in coordinating chants and generally what's happening. You want to avoid two thirds of the Fever zone chanting out of sync with each other? And the remaining third chanting something completely different? Loud-hailers can help. Although, to be fair, the YF zone doesn't really have that many people to coordinate so we should be doing what we do better, and without the use of loud-hailers as in a smaller crowd like we get they can be very annoying.

Flares are the greatest thing in the world. Fact.

Vuvuzelas? Meh. Don't really mind them.

Was already hilarious and then along came a plane....

Pull your head out.

If people think the YF need drums to be the atmosphere, then the YF zone is clearly a failure.

I'll ask Gareth the next time I see him to bring in the brass band and the fire twirlers, and a group of strippers or two.

I don't think anybody is proposing to have them in the fever zone. Rather it would be acceptable to have a couple in a different area of the ground,and where is the harm

Shhh! That's planned for the last game against GCU.. Season finale special one-off event.

Face painting, bouncy castles, lap dances...

flags and visual things are sweet, but things that make noise other than mouths are pants

*briefly considers pants that make noise*
Cosimo2012-02-02 20:39:57

A large spiralling black & yellow banner could be employed to distract opposition strikers that are playing at the YF end.




Drag it out for finals series..

Chants > banners & flags though.

Props & window dressing.

You could use flashing strobe lights too...

...or lasers and a big magnifying glass to set the strikers' shirts on fire!
bwtcf2012-02-02 21:21:54

No that would be unsporting.

Jag and/or Ginger Eegit.

Get your best 70's pants on and start blowing up the arse of a sheepskin!

Who said anything about the YF zone. You're the one wailing about how anything and everything will chase away "casual" fans. Like I said earlier, there's a huge amount of room at the ground for people to play trombones, bagpipes and drums if that's what they feel like doing. Didn't say it should be in the Fever Zone. If somebody was banging a drum or playing a trumpet next to me when I was in there, I'd twat them.

The zone is not the issue, I'd imagine a large percentage of "casual" fans wouldn't be in the Fever Zone anyway.

Maybe the "casual" fan's idea of atmosphere might involve a bit more than badly sung versions of "Stand Up For The Phoenix"?

I've got this!

Keep the strippers away from the bouncy castles or there will be trouble.

Right, so it's ok to have drums at the stadium where people might be sitting, as long as they're not next to you... or we could not have drums, like most of the last two seasons, and not be an issue anyway.Ard Righ2012-02-03 00:08:55

Or just have them next to people who don't mind it. Or not next to people.

Ours are the full size ones, but we also have "mini" vuvus which sound a bit more like airhorns:


Maybe if we got together we could drown out the drums so that others won't be annoyed (by the drumming)?

I've been coming to games since the start - many of which involved playing with Wellington Batucada in the earlier days - the big drumming group - I'm sure you used to notice us. I come to every nix game I can and am a long-term keen Phoenix fan anyway(and no - I don't bring a drum any more).

But it may be news to some of you that the vast majority of face-to-face feedback we used to get from people in the stadium, after games and generally around Wellington as well was that they really liked the drums at the games and that that they added heaops to the atmosphere. There was also a Yellow Fever poll about it a few years back in which the clear majority of respondents actually voted for the option that controlled,game-related and crowd-related use of drums was OK. I also know plenty of regulars who liked it as well. The only negative feedback we ever really got was from some people on these forums.

Many of these people who were so keen to tell us they liked what we were doing are actually some of those 'casual' fans you're talking about. And there were also plenty of more regular ones as well. These are the people the club needs to retain or get back in so there are more bums on seats in the future. We all know the Phoenix needs that.

Yellow Fever and its opinion leaders seem to be happy to run an exclusively English style chant-only fan scene. That is fine and I always join in myself (its great) but I think its important to acknowledge that its not everything to everyone. If you - as Phoenix fans - want to see support growing for the Phoenix you'll have to be a bit more open-minded and supportive about what the wider potential audience might like. It is basically been some Yellow Fever complaints about drums that contribute to the stifling of other forms of support - Red Badge and Stadium management etc respond to that. From my experience of people's feedback its possibly a pretty negative outcome for growing wider fan support for the club. Maybe some thought could be given to being a bit more positive and supportive about the wider fan base. That is the sort of constructive thing people like Gareth Morgan will be looking for.

Food for thought anyway.

Oh, wait! Does that extend to novelty dress up?

On a 5% note. If Welnix and the club can successfully attract 10-15k on a regular basis we might well have two or three supporter groups to cater for the English mob, the Euros and the Latins.

Wouldn't that be something?

Or we could just let people bring drums in as long as it isn't pissing anyone off. I remember them being quite cool, and didn't in any way drown chanting out - so no need to feel threatened guys.

Novelty dress-up....well the sellout-in-minutes crowd at the sevens is pretty unique. Whatever turns them on i guess. if they buy a ticket for the game who cares what they wear! It is pretty amazing at the sevens - and it is a huge moneyspinner. I guess a club needing crowds and fans wanting the best for their club have to be open-mined...