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Glory vs LOLington - Match Thread

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
"its just like watching the oly-whites"

Allegedly

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think we should really persist with the 4-2-3-1 we used pre-season. Sure it might have been good against teams before they found form but we will find form and continuity too if we play with some consistency and develop some combinations.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I predict a win, maybe 3-1.
After sunday I am still depressed but I think that we are beginning to get back into the routine.
If we lose... I may just cry.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nah, I reckon we play for a 1-0 loss and hope other results go our way...
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
Nah, I reckon we play for a 1-0 loss and hope other results go our way...
 
Ill get a box of tissues ready then.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Surely we can't lose to Perth??
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We'll give it a good nudge if recent performances are to go by.

Hopefully the lads pick themselves up for it, they should feel confident with their record against them.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
caseym wrote:
Surely we can't lose to Perth??


You just watch us.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
caseym wrote:
Surely we can't lose to Perth??


You just watch us.

harsh, very harsh
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If we lose against that rabble the sh*t will hit the fan


a.haak

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Assuming we are playing 4-4-2 the big question is are we playing the long ball game seen in last couple of outings? Let's hope not.

But if we are then (after 5 red bulls to stay awake through it) it might be worth giving Costa a run alongside Smeltz and use his pace to run off Smeltz or into space behind their back four.

The pairing of Smeltz and Coveny did not work last week and I cannot remember it being that great last year either. Coveny on the bench as cover for Smeltz.




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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Why do people constantly go on about Costa? granted i have only seen him play once but he is not better than the options we have currently. Why not Draper who has performed much better in the times i have seen him play for NZ. Just because some teams have used youth doesn't mean we have to

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bopman wrote:
Why do people constantly go on about Costa? granted i have only seen him play once but he is not better than the options we have currently. Why not Draper who has performed much better in the times i have seen him play for NZ. Just because some teams have used youth doesn't mean we have to
 
i agree. could those people who keep harping on about Costa pls give their logic

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
bopman wrote:
Why do people constantly go on about Costa? granted i have only seen him play once but he is not better than the options we have currently. Why not Draper who has performed much better in the times i have seen him play for NZ. Just because some teams have used youth doesn't mean we have to


i agree. could those people who keep harping on about Costa pls give their logic


I thought I had. If you're playing 4-4-2 and hitting the ball long then you need pace alongside Smeltz to either run off him or run in behind the back four if the ball is played over the top.

As far as I can see Costa has the pace and fits the bill for a 4-4-2 formation playing the long ball.

Would Costa in that role work better than Coveny, well won't know till we try it but Smeltz and Coveny do not appear to gel as a front two, so what is the logic in continuing with something that isn't and hasn't worked?. Pace is unsettling and something we are short of.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Having seen Covs and Costa in training in the last few months, I wouldn't put money on Costa being significantly quicker than Coveny, and his scoring record isn't even close.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
and he's short

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
That's a good point, if we were playing some attractive ball on the deck football, Costa would be more viable but at the moment we're playing some of the worst football in the A-League and I doubt it would suit Costa.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Then with your logic why not play Bertos up front with Smeltz, isn't he quick?

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
That's a good point, if we were playing some attractive ball on the deck football, Costa would be more viable but at the moment we're playing some of the worst football in the A-League and I doubt it would suit Costa.


Agree we playing some ugly football at the moment and that is why if we are going to persist with hitting it long I think we need someone with pace playing alongside the target man. Doesn't matter if he's short only that he has pace.

Must admit my starting assumption is that Costa has pace but if that not the case well bang goes my argument.




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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Perth wont be easy-beats. They are playing much better attacking football than us at the moment and are only let down by pathetic defence. I like the look of Dadi - he's a very dangerous player. For our sake hopefully Amaral doesn't recover from his injury because he's been excellent too from what I've seen.
 
It's a nice playing surface over there which should encourage a flowing game. Be good to see Gao, Bertos, and Daniel getting some quality movement going instead of the stodgy stuff that's been inflicted on us so far.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well nearly everyone else has had crack and it hasnt worked so far so why not give the young guys a shot,you never no it just might work.I seem to recall the last time he was given a shot he preformed bloody well.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
Amaral looks to be gone for 4 weeks.
You sure I read somewhere this afternoon it was 6 weeks.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah, Dom Post said 6 weeks.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ballane wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Amaral looks to be gone for 4 weeks.
You sure I read somewhere this afternoon it was 6 weeks.
Its okay got my players mixed up.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
Amaral looks to be gone for 4 weeks.
 
Tough on the guy, and on Perth. He's surprised me with how committed he is. Thought he might be another Jardel but far from it.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
StopOut wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Amaral looks to be gone for 4 weeks.


Tough on the guy, and on Perth. He's surprised me with how committed he is. Thought he might be another Jardel but far from it.


Looks like not as bad as first thought for Amaral.

"Perth Glory received a timely boost this afternoon with key midfielder Amaral cleared of a hamstring tear.

Scans today revealed Amaral strained his right hamstring late in Sunday�s match and is now only expected to be sidelined between two or three weeks. It was feared that the Brazilian playmaker could be out of action for six weeks after being carried off in the 73rd minute".
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
whitby fever wrote:
Hard News wrote:
That's a good point, if we were playing some attractive ball on the deck football, Costa would be more viable but at the moment we're playing some of the worst football in the A-League and I doubt it would suit Costa.


Agree we playing some ugly football at the moment and that is why if we are going to persist with hitting it long I think we need someone with pace playing alongside the target man. Doesn't matter if he's short only that he has pace.

Must admit my starting assumption is that Costa has pace but if that not the case well bang goes my argument.




 
sounds like him know him really well and are making qualified suggestions NOT

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ballane wrote:
Well nearly everyone else has had crack and it hasnt worked so far so why not give the young guys a shot,you never no it just might work.I seem to recall the last time he was given a shot he preformed bloody well.
 
that has no logic or basis what so ever. Lets throw Paston up front if that doesnt work should we?
 
ok i'll throw my team out there- back to this old chestnut
 
                              Mossy
 
Siggy           McKain      Durante         Lochy
                           Johnson
 
                    Ferrante    Daniel
Hearfield                                              Gao
                             Smeltzy

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeh I'd go with that line-up Feverish, except if Leo is avail, I'd plump for him not Hearfield

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeh I'd go with that line-up Feverish, except if Leo is avail, I'd plump for him not Hearfield
 
yeah 50/50 but id go for him on his old patch - but i think he might be broken

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hearfield's been a disappointment. His workrate is good but he doesn't seem to have the ability to bust a defence open with that special bit of skill that an attacking player needs. Maybe he just needs some more time, but if Bertos is fit I'd have him in the starting line up any day of the week.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
StopOut wrote:
Hearfield's been a disappointment. His workrate is good but he doesn't seem to have the ability to bust a defence open with that special bit of skill that an attacking player needs. Maybe he just needs some more time, but if Bertos is fit I'd have him in the starting line up any day of the week.
 
I think quite the opposite. I rate him - and for him to have a starting spot has probably exceeded the expectations mgmt had of him when they signed him

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hearfield has been good but for some reason I think we go back to the Magic 3 with 2 defensive Midfielders behind. I would like to see a Ferrante-Brown combination. Then Smeltz up front. I'm basing this on the 1st pre-season game against Ccm which in my mind was the best attacking performance so far.

                             Moss
Mulligan---Durante--Mckain---Lochead
                 Ferrante--Brown
    Bertos-------Gao-------Daniel
                     Smeltz
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

it's the linking between players that's the real problem, so i'd like to see 3 creative mids on, whether it be Gao, Daniel, Bertos or Hearfield - like a lot of youse
Cosimo2008-09-17 07:30:41
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Agree with 5 at the back, one clean sheet doesn't mean our defensive issues are solved. In the past 3 games, Dodd's passing has been no worse then our other midfielders (granted they have all been crap). Stick Dodd on Dadi so the the two lumbering giants can go at it. Dodd may not have the pace, but his commitment is second to none. He is one of the few players in our team who tracks down players when beaten (which unfortunately happens too often). If we use attacking mids, they need to make better runs, it's no good having them all take off at the opposition's goal at the same time as it's too predictable that a long ball is going over the top.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
chocnut wrote:


                             Moss
Mulligan---Durante--Mckain---Lochead
                 Ferrante--Brown
    Bertos-------Gao-------Daniel
                     Smeltz
 
This is the line-up I would also like to see.
 
One of the problems with the team is low confidence - we need to stop the endless search for a "silver bullet" formation and  line-up - there isn't one. We need to settle on a formation and line-up and give the players the opportunity to make it work.
 
The effort last Sunday was better and we scraped an ugly point. Ugly may be but it was still a point and we can build on it and the effort put in.
 
Let the team slowly regain their confidence by stabilising the formation and line-up.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Can someone please enlighten me as to what exactly these three creative mids have created in four matches up until now?

Where is it falling down? Formation or personnel?

E + R + O

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SurgeQld wrote:
Can someone please enlighten me as to what exactly these three creative mids have created in four matches up until now?

Where is it falling down? Formation or personnel?


Both.
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