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Grand Final Relocation - possible future implicati

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Grand Final Relocation - possible future implicati
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=500332&cc=3436 On soccernet it says that the Grand final will not be played in either Newcastle or Central Coast even though one of them will qualify with the right to host it. This is because of "insufficient stadia", with the specified criteria of being a 40 000+ seated stadium.
 
The question being, hypothetically, when we win the minor premiership and go on to host the grand final next year (you gotta have faith) does this mean we too will be stripped of the grand final we will fairly earn? Our capacity is 34500 and I can't see the FFA liking the A League final in NZ...thoughts?
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=500332&cc=3436 On soccernet it says that the Grand final will not be played in either Newcastle or Central Coast even though one of them will qualify with the right to host it. This is because of "insufficient stadia", with the specified criteria of being a 40 000+ seated stadium.
 
The question being, hypothetically, when we win the minor premiership and go on to host the grand final next year (you gotta have faith) does this mean we too will be stripped of the grand final we will fairly earn? Our capacity is 34500 and I can't see the FFA liking the A League final in NZ...thoughts?
 
I think it wouldn't matter so much...as we are a smaller population....unlike across the ditch. We can increase out capacity to about 38000 any how.

I say tackle him in the face.

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Agreed Santy. If we hosted the final here i'd say we'd be lucky to sell out.

Three for me, and two for them.

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I say we worry about this when we actually finish in the top 2.
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But the smaller population will be exactly the problem - they run it like a business so a large crowd is important not only for gate revenue, but also to attract and maintain long term highly involve fans. I hope your right though, and with the expanded seating they use for some All Blacks games there's enough there.   In saying that, if Beckham couldn't sell out the Ring of Fire, could the Phoenix in a Grand Final?
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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i think the Phoenix in the final could sell out
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They could, but i don't think they would.

Three for me, and two for them.

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With the additional seating that can be assembled the stadium goes up to 39500 which is still just short of that figure. I gather there is quite a lot of construction to put the extra seats out and take them down and it often isn't even used for sell out events.
 
I think that if the Phoenix did get a home grand final it probably would sell out fairly easily. It's hard to judge for sure but it would follow a string of good results and a lot of hype. Once it gets to that level it starts to become an event rather than just a football match.
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RoF will sell out!
Like the Hurricanes and the Lions....when there krap no one goes....but when there winning everyone jumps onto there band waggon!
 
But I feel Newcastle or CCM have won the right to hold the grand final,....its there incentive!
Otherwise we may as well be like the NRL and have at Telstra every year regardless.

I say tackle him in the face.

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I think it's obvious that NZ won't be holding a final here. And that's not because we won't make it to the final, it's because the league is Australian.

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Arsenal wrote:
I think it's obvious that NZ won't be holding a final here. And that's not because we won't make it to the final, it's because the league is Australian.
 
That would really suck....i don't think the FFA would go down that road.

I say tackle him in the face.

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I definitely think they would. If they're not willing to have it on the Central Coast or Newcastle, you think they'd have it in Wellington? Nuh-uh.

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santy wrote:
RoF will sell out!
Like the Hurricanes and the Lions....when there krap no one goes....but when there winning everyone jumps onto there band waggon!
 
Ahh, the essence of the NZ Sports fan.

Three for me, and two for them.

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I think this may well be a short term position they will take because it is bound to be unpopular. At the moment the A-League is trying to boost it's credibility and getting very big crowds at the final gives it something to use as leverage for sponsors. At the end of the day though the club that earns the home final deserves to host it.
 
CCM and Newcastle can hold it in Sydney and all their fans would probably go along but I don't think the club would be happy, especially if they were actually playing against Sydney. If the Phoenix was in the final the only real option (other than Wellington) would be whoever we were playing against and that is hardly fair. I guess Auckland would be another option but that would suck. Still probably better than playing in Aussie.
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No Stadium big enough in Auckland...Lancaster Park is about the only one in the country with that sort of capacity I believe. Critical_Lemon2008-01-22 13:55:42
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Eden Park already holds 45000 and is set to expand to 60000 although I'm not sure at the permanent numbers. Lancaster Park only holds 40000, only 500 more than the RoF at maximum.
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My mistake.
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Take it Sydney or Melbourne who cares can you just imagine YF celebrating an A league win in either place.It would be the stuff of legends.Or many arrests.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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I would rather not hand over the home advantage we had earned to the opposition. Assuming the Phoenix were compensated with the revenue it could be a good money earner though.
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i think we could fill a stadium at finals and i think we would do it as well, its the finals for crying out loud, who would not want to see a NZ team make the finals in NZ!!!
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Some good points, especially about the kiwi fans coming when we're winning, and we'd have to be winning alot, and winning semis the week before etc, to host a grand final. So momentum and support could grow, we all hope o that number, but it's hard to speculate. Hopefully the Phoenix will run that experiment next year by winning!

 

Interstingly in the league home "advantage" has been more of a disadvantage on statitistics, so it would be ironic if that worked in our favour and we were effectively the away team. For the record I would definitly travel to aussie if we made the grand Final and it was held there, I fancy a few hundred of us could make alot of noise over there...

Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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For the record I would definitly travel to aussie if we made the grand Final and it was held there, I fancy a few hundred of us could make alot of noise over there...
Me too. I would probably even shout a few of my mates a trip over as well, all paid for out of the wonder that is student loan.
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phoenix07 wrote:
who would not want to see a NZ team make the finals in NZ!!!


'happy'ted?

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If we hosted the grand final, we could probably promote it easily to the visiting team. The novelty factor of going to a different country to support your team - plus it's a vacation to another country in the first place - could be enough to fill a few aisles of away fans. Then throw in people who don't go to every match wanting to go to this match, plus casual fans, plus corporate fans...we could sell out as long as we play our cards right and make sure we don't have the same marketing team behind NZ vs Vanuatu
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What happens if we make the grand final with Perth and the final is hosted in Sydney? How many local supporters would make it all that way? I think it is ridiculous, the basis of a lot of the clubs is the community on which they are founded. 
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Bullion wrote:
What happens if we make the grand final with Perth and the final is hosted in Sydney? How many local supporters would make it all that way? I think it is ridiculous, the basis of a lot of the clubs is the community on which they are founded. 


I imagine they'd host it at Subiaco Oval in Perth, which has about 43k capacity, if Glory came first.
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Newcastle's EnergyAustralia Stadium holds 26,000 people, while Bluetongue Stadium in Gosford has a capacity of 20,059.
 
So both are significantly smaller than the caketin. I think we'd have a good case for retaining hosting rights if we got them. For Newcastle and Central Coast, Sydney is not that far away. For Adelaide, Perth, Queensland, Melbourne or Wellington some common sense about the distance and shortfall in stadium size would have to apply.
 
It sucks though. FFA are overriding the advantage embedded within the playoff seeding system they came up with.
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Will be intersting next season, eg if Newcastle go into the final 2 rounds having secured a place in the top 4 mathmatically, what incentive to they have to push for the top 2 spots?I know they would have to play the loser of the 1/2 semi, but they would still get only one home game playoff so it would only mean one more game. Could this result in them throwing games?
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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SiNZ wrote:
Newcastle's EnergyAustralia Stadium holds 26,000 people, while Bluetongue Stadium in Gosford has a capacity of 20,059.


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So both are significantly smaller than the caketin.


It's also about the Corp facilities too I think.

"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert

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just give the FFA a bribe.
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funny if newcastle and ccm decided the final should be in Wellington
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Traitor wrote:
SiNZ wrote:
Newcastle's EnergyAustralia Stadium holds 26,000 people, while Bluetongue Stadium in Gosford has a capacity of 20,059.


 

So both are significantly smaller than the caketin.


It's also about the Corp facilities too I think.
corporate facilities will be fine. if theyre good enough to host rwc theyll be fine for ffa. i think the RoF will be fine for a final because as was said earlier newcastle and ccm are both significantly smaller. added to it, gosford is a direct train to sydney as is newcastle, maybe an hour long drive so its hardly a major issue if the final is moved to sydney.
may become an issue if theyre playing sydney in the final though

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If you hosted the GF you'd easily sell out your away end.
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Mite Have to relocate to Old Erricson stadium or THE BRAND NEW EDEN PARK


YEAH RIGHT!!!
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WellyT wrote:
Eden Park already holds 45000 and is set to expand to 60000 although I'm not sure at the permanent numbers. Lancaster Park only holds 40000, only 500 more than the RoF at maximum.


Lancaster will hold that many, and many more when the new stand is up capacity at approx 24k

sucks to be CCM or jest


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