....would you consider throwing Saturday's game against Brisbane?
If the Phoenix beat CCM, they will be fourth. Perth would then know that by beating Brisbane, they'll finish 5th and would be be heading on that massive road-trip to Wellington for the playoffs.
However, if Newcastle have already beaten Adelaide (Friday night) before Perth take the field, Perth will know that by losing to Brisbane, they'll finish 6th and be on a much shorter playoff trip to either Sydney or Gold Coast.
I know if the situation was reversed and, for example, the Phoenix knew by losing a game they'd be travelling to Gold Coast and not Perth, I'd expect them to think fairly carefully about the possibility of "resting" some players.
Thoughts?
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Think theyd rather have a chance at a home final? Could work both ways for them.
Allegedly
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Think theyd rather have a chance at a home final? Could work both ways for them.
We will have already played by the time they play.
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If they throw the game they should be thrown out of the comp.
Three for me, and two for them.
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If they throw the game they should be thrown out of the comp.
How can one prove that they threw the game away though?
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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And if by throwing the game they just decide to play youth players then that's fine by me. Teams do it all the time.
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If they throw the game they should be thrown out of the comp.
How can one prove that they threw the game away though?
It's usually quite obvious no? Lack of effort. Significant reduction in quality. Lack of interest. Weakened side. All pointers towards match fixing.
ITS NOT ON!!!
Three for me, and two for them.
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But... We own the Jets. I'd much rather face them.
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Think theyd rather have a chance at a home final? Could work both ways for them.
We will have already played by the time they play.
Im saying,would they want to throw away a possible home final (in the 2nd week,if newcastle beat GCU in the first week). I would have thought theyd rather finish 5th,and be confident to beat us,then make the short trip over to GCU,or have an easier home game against newcastle (if newcastle beat GCU)
Allegedly
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Think theyd rather have a chance at a home final? Could work both ways for them.
We will have already played by the time they play.
Im saying,would they want to throw away a possible home final (in the 2nd week,if newcastle beat GCU in the first week). I would have thought theyd rather finish 5th,and be confident to beat us,then make the short trip over to GCU,or have an easier home game against newcastle (if newcastle beat GCU)
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Do teams really mean it when they say they have to beat everybody to win the comp? Surely if they could get a slightly easier draw they would consider it... Even subconsciously they could not give 100%
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There's a cynical side to LF1!
I'm shocked and horrified.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I think finishing 5th is the easier draw for them to be honest. Only slightly...but at least 5th gives them a chance at a home playoff against newcastle that theyd surely back themselves to win.
Allegedly
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Setting aside ethical considerations;
Perth have played GCU twice away this year and lost both games. The home game they drew so not a great record against GCU.
They played Sydney once away and also lost - just. In the two home games they had a win and a draw.
Against us they had a loss and draw away.
On that record you would think they would prefer to avoid GCU and, if anything, probably prefer to play Sydney rather than us - particular considering how close they took Sydney last weekend.
They however play before both Sydney and GCU so, assuming Newcastle win, they could "throw" the game and end up with GCU.
The other problem with easing off is you lose momentum.
It will be interesting to see what they chose to do although I wouldn't be at all surprised if Newcastle don't beat Adelaide and, as we will have beaten CCM, it's all done and dusted anyway.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Didn't Melbourne 'rest' players when they went to Perth in Season 2 when they had the Premiership sewn up and Perth beat them and avoided the wooden spoon? Bit of a different scenario but the form is there.
Another consideration, if they avoid the Nix in week 1 the team that gets them in week 2 will be relishing the prospect, even if they have to come to the ROF, because we are going to be missing 5(?) players during the week and a coach.
Interesting point raised LF1, I agree you would seriously have to consider it.
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I think already this thread proves that the waters are too murky to come out with a clear decision to not play the first team/throw the game.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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I would hope no one will throw matches, they aren't a lawns bowl team afterall 
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Mr Edwards (New Zealand Coach) observed the bowls delivered by Mr Sincock and Mr Hill, came to the conclusion that those bowlers were not bowling in a manner that would indicate they were attempting to win the end. Mr Edwards spoke to Mr Lawson and asked him what was going on and was told:
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Aryan Brothers v Aryan Brothers, Spain 1982.
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What time would games have to start to be played simultaneously with no real disadvantage?
..geography stops a EPL last day scenario to avoid this conjecture I guess.
..geography stops a EPL last day scenario to avoid this conjecture I guess.A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
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I'm getting a bit nervous that most people seem to be talking about the CCM game like it's already been played and we won.
a.haak
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Well the hypothetical situation depends on us beating CCM so in this thread, yea, everyone should be assuming it has already been played and we won.
And as long as "most people" aren't the players it doesn't matter anyway. They can focus on the CCM game, we can focus on hypotheticals. In my opinion, Perth would still try to win the game, even if only for moral (see Birmingham in the EPL).
And as long as "most people" aren't the players it doesn't matter anyway. They can focus on the CCM game, we can focus on hypotheticals. In my opinion, Perth would still try to win the game, even if only for moral (see Birmingham in the EPL).
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Ive only heard positive comments. Even my Rugby Head mates are interested in the game.
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Aryan Brothers v Aryan Brothers, Spain 1982.
Good old Anschluss.
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Of course this all assumes that the Jets (who can't make 4th and don't have a flash record in Welly) don't rest half their team "to freshen them up for the playoffs" (nudge nudge) and make sure they secure 6th.
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If they throw the game they should be thrown out of the comp.
How can one prove that they threw the game away though?
It's usually quite obvious no? Lack of effort. Significant reduction in quality. Lack of interest. Weakened side. All pointers towards match fixing.
ITS NOT ON!!!
No You've just described the Newcastle Jets!
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This proposition made the Radio Sport news this morning, journo (im thinking Piney) had even asked Dura about it and he thought it wasn't that far fetched
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This proposition made the Radio Sport news this morning, journo (im thinking Piney) had even asked Dura about it and he thought it wasn't that far fetched
Yeah i heard on classic hits @ work this morning, one of the sports headlines was 'phoenix captain andrew durante says he wouldnt be surprised if perth glory threw their next game to avoid a long trip to wellington for a finals clash'.
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Does it matter to us? If we get a win and secure the home venue we'd rate our chances against anyone (bar Tards then Seednee).
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
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Given a choice I'd rather we played Newcastle and Perth played 3rd. I think Perth, on current form, are a better team than Newcastle and I also think they would have a much better shot at beating 3rd away than Newcastle - remember if we finish 4th and win our first play-off game and 6th beats 3rd we will also be at home for the 2nd round of the play-offs.
I just hope the team is single mindedly focused on tomorrow night - we'll see what happens after we lock in 4th.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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My concern is this - media reporting a one win away from a home semi final.
Not true. We are 4 games away from the title regardless of tomorrows result. 3rd to 6th play a traditional semi and final (2 games) amongst themselves. The winner players loser of 1st vs 2nd playoff. The winner of this game players the winner of the 1st/2nd in a grand final.
Quarter finals would be 3 games away. We are 4. (after tomorrow).
Silly media. you'd think some level of thought or research would have them question why 4th would give you home advantage in a "semi final".
Then again, if it creates the impression this is a bigger match than it really is, then thanks for the marketing boost.
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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If the Nix and Glory where in each others positions, I wouldn't want us to. Play every match for the win, no matter what.
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Stephen Fleming did something similar in a cricket series a while back. New his team only needed a point to knock Australia out (in a 3 team series) and when the oppostion scored a huge total he told his side to bat conservatively and make sure they got to 4/5 of the total thus claiming a bonus point even though his side lost the match.
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My concern is this - media reporting a one win away from a home semi final.
In their official guide and on their website, the FFA have called these games "semi-finals". I agree that most people's perception of a semi-final is the match which is one before the Grand Final so confusion is possible. To be fair, I think we've tried to say "one game away from a home playoff" as much as possible.
liverpoolfan12010-02-11 14:37:58Not true. We are 4 games away from the title regardless of tomorrows result. 3rd to 6th play a traditional semi and final (2 games) amongst themselves. The winner players loser of 1st vs 2nd playoff. The winner of this game players the winner of the 1st/2nd in a grand final.
Quarter finals would be 3 games away. We are 4. (after tomorrow).
Silly media. you'd think some level of thought or research would have them question why 4th would give you home advantage in a "semi final".
Then again, if it creates the impression this is a bigger match than it really is, then thanks for the marketing boost.
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My concern is this - media reporting a one win away from a home semi final.
In their official guide and on their website, the FFA have called these games "semi-finals". I agree that most people's perception of a semi-final is the match which is one before the Grand Final so confusion is possible. To be fair, I think we've tried to say "one game away from a home playoff" as much as possible.
Not true. We are 4 games away from the title regardless of tomorrows result. 3rd to 6th play a traditional semi and final (2 games) amongst themselves. The winner players loser of 1st vs 2nd playoff. The winner of this game players the winner of the 1st/2nd in a grand final.
Quarter finals would be 3 games away. We are 4. (after tomorrow).
Silly media. you'd think some level of thought or research would have them question why 4th would give you home advantage in a "semi final".
Then again, if it creates the impression this is a bigger match than it really is, then thanks for the marketing boost.
Interesting that the FFA call them semi-finals. Some reports have been calling it a home playoff. Some semi-final. Caceres was also quoted in an article as calling it a semi-final so I don't think we can really blame the media for calling it so, even if it isn't what we'd normally regard as a semi-final. I'm still gonna call it a playoff though I think.
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Im going to call it a playoff when talking to avid supporters, but with people who dont know so much im going to call it a semi final. And people who hate, im definitely going to call it a semi
Hater: "the phoenix soccer team probably arent even that good just like the kingz"
Me: "err... but the phoenix are in the semis"
Hater: "oh..." *feels like a douche for knowing f**k all*
AJ132010-02-11 15:09:21
Hater: "the phoenix soccer team probably arent even that good just like the kingz" Me: "err... but the phoenix are in the semis" Hater: "oh..." *feels like a douche for knowing f**k all*AJ132010-02-11 15:09:21
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I thought it was Preliminary Semi and Final followed by Major Semi and Final.
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