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Ifill angst

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ifill angst
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
some facts ..

2009�10      - then    regular season apps 27      goals 12     
2010�11 - so far regular season apps 8      goals 4

on this basis Iffy is in better goal scoring form this season than last

hhmm, interesting ....i wonder how the critics will find a way to continue to ignore the facts (well, at least the wikipedia facts)                                   
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Pretty simplistic tigers.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ok - 2nd best come up with some facts that a more pertinent to the concept of "goal scoring form"

and if you want contextual data, bear in mind that we are on a very similar points per game ratio as this time last season

the point i'm trying to make is that whilst a number of people are bitching and moaning about Ifill's form - they have no data (simplistic or otherwise) to support their argument

to be fair I was surprised by the stats - given the views on here, I'm just trying to put things in perspective
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
O god.  This sounds the WPF's argument about Paston/Moss.

Fact is, football is not a sport where you can determine someone's form through stats.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Number 1 Yellowfever rule: Stats are nothing in football.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:
Fact is, football is not a sport where you can determine someone's form through stats.


This.

As i've said on here before, people who constantly use stats in order to judge a player or win an argument about a certain player usually have no idea how to correctly analyse a game of football.

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I want stats on metres covered, passes completed, assists, shots on target, shots off target, time spent in opposition half, time spent in penalty box, number of sh*ts at half time and the number of times he swears at the ref. Only then can we decide whether the angst is justified.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tigers has a point, if we are asking on his goal scoring form, he is better performing then last season at this stage.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So what if the scoring is (at the moment) better than last season? I thought we all agreed that Ifill as a player still isn't back to last seasons best.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tigers has a point, if we are asking on his goal scoring form, he is better performing then last season at this stage.

No. all that shows is he is scoring more goals per game.  Says nothing about this goal scoring form.  He could well have butchered 6 open goals, but that wouldn't show up in your stats.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:

Tigers has a point, if we are asking on his goal scoring form, he is better performing then last season at this stage.
No. all that shows is he is scoring more goals per game.� Says nothing about this goal scoring form.� He could well have butchered 6 open goals, but that wouldn't show up in your stats.


Game. Set. Match.

He clearly isnt quite up to last years form though. But he is still one of the better players on the pitch.

Allegedly

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I actually don't think he's playing that bad. Could've had 2 against Perth - one was created from his pressure/reading of the game. I also think he started very well against Brisbane.

I think that the problem is that defenders know what to expect from him now. They know to double up and expect him to try that drag trick he does.

Also the fact the rest of the team hasn't been playing great and he's seemingly felt like the entire attacking burden is on him.


a.haak

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yes, for me he's easily one of the most energetic players we have, always willing to try something, never gives up. So much is expected of him that the good work he does is undervalued.
 
Ironically I thought the Perth game was his least effective performance of the season so far. Nothing seemed to go right for him.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I don't think he's been playing aswell as last season, but he's still one of our best players,
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He hasn't scored in 3 or so games I think too.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Sack Paul.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Lynch him imo.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Thread fail.
 
Ifill has played in 12 games this season, not 8, which means his goals per game so far is actually lower than last season's.
 
So is his assists per game, attempts on target per game, attempts off target per game and attempts on target/total attempts ratio.
 
The only improvement is in his conversion of attempts on target into goals, up from 24% to 30%. His total conversion rate (goals/total attempts) has remained steady at around 11%.
 
terminator_x2010-11-11 12:06:49

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Even when playing sh*te hes the best number 8 in the League!
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Are there any stats on the number of times he's tried to beat one player too many and lost the ball as a result?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
terminator_x wrote:
Thread fail.
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Ifill has played in 12 games this season, not 8, which means his goals per game so far is actually lower than last season's.

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So is his assists per game, attempts on target per game, attempts off target per game and attempts on target/total attempts ratio.

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The only improvement is in his conversion of attempts on target into goals, up from 24% to 30%. His total conversion rate (goals/total attempts) has remained steady at around 11%.

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The only thing that holds up is his


f**k wikpedia - never again will i trust em

well until next time that is
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Wait. You got these stats off Wikipedia?

Oh this just gets better and better

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'd like to know what his 'tracking back' stats are for both seasons.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
More stats, just for fun

Paul Ifill this season:

4 goals, 2 assists, 13 shots on target, 23 shots off target, 8 offsides, 13 fouls conceded, 4 yellow cards, 35 grimaces
hepatitis2010-11-10 22:43:02
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
LOLS.

What Ricki needs is that software that they use in the EPL to measure players performances, with video camera tracking to see how many yards they run, how much effort they put into sprints etc.

I'd be interested to know how many metres Paul has walked this season, compared to this time last season

His getting back behind the ball is an issue.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
How many times has he picked his nose?

Allegedly

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ard Righ wrote:
What Ricki needs is that software that they use in the EPL to measure players performances, with video camera tracking to see how many yards they run, how much effort they put into sprints etc..


I'm pretty sure they have this don't they, or at least a lesser version of it.

And Wikipedia claims another victim.
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