Imports

Imports

I think the Phoenix imports are overall rubbish.

agree especially with george and cleberson. daniel and felipe have been good definatley should keep them.

boring x10

Daniel has been our MOM ffs
Cosimo2007-10-21 19:51:47

Yeah, Daniel and Felipe are worth keeping, but I'm not sure about the other two.

Ricki needs to think about modifuying team during the game not in the 85th minute!!!!!!

George is alegend. and for that we should keephim

Why is Brownlie in the squad instead of George? I think George is better than brownlie

yer brownlie average

I think we need to see more of George before writing him off. Daniel has his moments but he's not a franchise player. Felipe is definately the better of the four and I hope to hell we'll have him back soon and also next season. As for Cleberson, as much as I love the guy, as a player he adds little to the roster.

They are all part of a fantastic inaugural Phoenix squad.....you can question the 4/5 of them (including marquee Elrich.....man, what a 1st goal!!!) and criticize any member of our squad and examine the value of of our imports......

But these guys are part of the first Nix team that are in the early stages of building something great (along with us) - they bring strengths and qualities that aren't always shown by being in the starting XI every week......

Enjoy the ride, they've already set high standards but are proving they're a little harder to maintain than they and we thought........but the strong foundations of something very us and very Wellington are being laid!!!!

don't bag george, he does have some serious talent. i garuntee that he will be playing more near the end of the season, i think hes just had a little trouble fitting into the mix.
as for cleberson, as anyone whose met him will tell you, he is one of the nicest guys out. its too bad he hasnt hit much form, i think hes got alot of potential as a centre back.
daniel and felipe are class, no doubt about it.

Felipe and Daniel have generally done well. We tend to be at our most dangerous when they're involved, and Daniel in particular shows good fighting qualities, at times perhaps too much.
Cleberson is an accident waiting to happen, and I can't see him playing too much this season unless we have a lot of injuries at the back or keep playing like we did yesterday. Simply can't see him improving the backline.
George has had limited opportunities, but hasn't impressed me at all and convinced me that he needs to be starting.

Daniel has at times, been our best player. Certainly without him (and the also excellent felipe) we look dull and unimaginative. Remember the game against Perth, Daniel had a hand in every single one of those goals.

Cleberson and George have both been average at best. George has a poor first touch and is also too small for the physical nature of the league (if he was more skillfull he'd be fine but he just isn't). Cleberson is too slow and doesn't have the concentration to start at CB. Unfortunately it seems like Dodd and O'Dor have some major weaknesses as well. The big priority for next year must be finding a proper right back and at least 2 decent central defenders as well.

It's defensive lapses that are letting us down.

I don't mind losing because we conceded some excellent goals, but losing because we gave them two goals is very frustrating.  

So, you can't really blame anyone.

If I had to: Cleberson's too slow in this league.

I thought that during what game time George has had, he's done quite well, he's set up a couple of goals and nearly scored himself. I think he could step up to be counted if given the games.

Had a new guy start in my business today.

He told me he would be crap for the first 12 months - as he'd be on a learning curve.


I sacked him. 






Surge!

i imagine he'da walked out anyway

lol 

how many goals has george scored?

the same as brownlie. But Brownlie hit the post and nearly became a hero. George just got in the goalie's face.yomcat2007-10-23 09:33:12

hey at least Brownlie can make the Lions team for his tackling

I didn't... I was being a smart arse 

My point is that why do we accept in sport what wouldn't be accepted in the 'real' world... ie: If you started a new job and expected to be crap for the first twelve months you probably wouldn't get the gig in the first place...

And no, I'm not referring to us specifically - we're a brand new team/club/organisation/brand, etc... and as such it will take time for the team/club/organisation/brand to find it's feet (no pun intended) and develop it's own style and formula that will help us to be successful - which we will, in time.

Having said that, I do get the sh*ts when I hear/read professional sportspeople of any code - crapping on about needing 'time' to find some form... They have (usually) being playing that sport for years, generally most of their lives... the field/pitch/ground is the same, as are the balls/bats/sticks/raquets, etc... And the rules are the same too (unless your referring to code switches lol) so again... why does it take 'time' for a player/team to find consistency within those parameters?

Now I'll sit back and watch me get hammered... (and no, I haven't played professional sport lol... only senior club cricket, wgton div four football, senior three rugby and a crap golf handicap...pmsl)

I'm off to practice my surfing now!



Surge!

The issue is mostly psychological. While I must disagree that the playing surface is the same (different atmospheres - compare Wellington to Auckland, different ground quality - compare Wembley to Luzhniki, climate/weather, compare Wellington to Gosford etc), I'd imagine that in team sports the major hurdle is adapting to the different style of play their new team offers. They'll have new team-mates with new abilities, new coaches with new tactics, and perhaps even new opposition and maybe new rules (if I remember rightly MLS changed their rules slightly to appeal to Americans). They'll have a new atmosphere, especially if moving to a different country. Maybe even having to learn a new language! So psychologically, it's a huge adaptation needed, and while it'll be easier for some people than others (this I can promise - for me, moving to Wellington from Tauranga was easy, immigrating to NZ was hard!) it still needs to be taken into account.

That being said, it's been a few months now so I'm less likely to blame poor performances of psychology and more on ability now.

I disagree Robb... it's entirely psychological... OK - I'll give you the point about the weather (but only just)... language, etc can apply in some international team sports of course -  but if a player drops a ball with the try line open,  is it his hands? or his head?...


OK then - I agree! lol





Surge!

sigh and if u keep saying that u will never have any kind of soccer nous buddy. simple as that.
Not thinking Daniel has been one of our best and most influential players is as moronic as saying that o'dor should be permanent right back. Daniel has been our creative influence in the team, along with Felipe who is the benefactor of Daniel a large portion of the time. the man Sets up and scores goals, and whnever he isnt there we've looked lost. End.

The thing with Clebs, i would love to see him get more time and see how good he can be, but so far he's been the scapegoat of the first ccm game and is quite unlucky in general.