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No mention of the Griff... Surprised.

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patrick478 wrote:

bwtcf wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

You know Smithy is being a lazy attacker!

Fixed.

Smithy is not lazy when it comes to attacking people. He makes sure that he uses his intellect and dialect to win.

What ever happened to just sleeping with the boss to get a promotion....
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Chris Kerr wrote:

Good podcast and I always enjoy it. It's like a bloody drug of some kind and then you talk about Law.... I can't resist such is my weakness for those discussions.

tl;dr - A player does not get an advantage from being lazy and you have to assess each offside decision in isolation from another.

Quick review: 2 parts to offside offence - You must be in an offside position AND involved in active = Offside offence. Most confusion is based around being in offside position only and is why the arm gets thrown up by the defence the instant the ball is played through. It’s when a player is in an offside position AND becomes involved in active play (interferes with play, gains an advantage from being in that position or interferes with an opponent which are all specifically defined in LOTG) at the same time is when the offence occurs.

To say that a player has an advantage by being 'lazy' or 'less than prodigious' in getting back to halfway/offside line is kinda irrelevant because he cannot legally get involved in the play until the offside line passes him putting him onside so ipso facto, how does he get an advantage? I do get the fundamental point irrespective of the laws that was made by Dale that a lazy player benefits from being beyond the offside line in the long term but then if you are not assessing each phase of play in isolation for offside, at what point do you decide when a phase of play is over? After 10 passes? 20? 30? When possession changes? Some teams consider 30 passes 1 phase and for assessing offside, you can't look at that as 1 phase as you may get a flag some 30secs after the original offence which would be just crazy. It’s an extreme point but it highlights a succinct point - you have to assess each offside instance in isolation and then it’s the next phase of play so you reassess the next one again.

If you look what you talk about on the podcast, when Boxall breaks through, Burns occupies an offside position but is not involved in active play. When he does become involved in active play, he is not in an offside position. At no point in time is he both in an offside position AND involved in active play thus, he is not offside. Granted some people view that whole event as one play/phase, but it’s not. Let’s say that the play slowed down, about 3-4 defenders catch up along with 2 other attackers but Burns still scores some 10 seconds later than he did. Do you still call the offside and go back up to halfway for the offence? You cannot reward a defence if they switch off to the lazy attacker coming back or become/are oblivious to potential threat a lazy attacker poses or choose to ignore a potential threat a lazy attacker poses. That’s the risk they take.

 

We understand the rule Kerr. We were discussing whether the rule is right...

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Bullion wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

It's been like that for quite a while now I think.

Certainly LoTG has a big section at the back that goes through the various offside scenarios for a few seasons now.

Since 2005.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2010/apr/13/the-question-why-is-offside-law-genius

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/12/15/offside-goal/

 

Good content!

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bwtcf wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

You know Smithy is being a lazy attacker!

Fixed.

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Smithy wrote:
We understand the rule Kerr. We were discussing whether the rule is right...
I know. I was poorly trying to make a point (and hence used the example where I dropped you into it) that if the rule is wrong, then there would need to be a re-write of offside because other aspects are affected if you look to rule out the “seagull striker”. The reality is that there probably is not really an alternative any more than what is in place now as much as it may not please everyone.
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Chris Kerr wrote:
Smithy wrote:
We understand the rule Kerr. We were discussing whether the rule is right...
I know. I was poorly trying to make a point (and hence used the example where I dropped you into it) that if the rule is wrong, then there would need to be a re-write of offside because other aspects are affected if you look to rule out the “seagull striker”. The reality is that there probably is not really an alternative any more than what is in place now as much as it may not please everyone.

 

Very true. I personally think the current rule is fine. Dale on the other hand...

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I don't think Dale is fine either.

LG
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No problem with a seagull striker. Absolutely no issue at all and I can't understand the issues with it. 

It rewards a fantastic run by Boxall. If Boxall has made that run, Burns could have made that run from an onside position. Also the defenders could have made the run back to cover him. They still can't pass to him in an offside position- the winger/forward/fullback has to make the run from an onside position past the seagull striker and play him onside. If the defenders are actually playing so well they'll get back and cover him.

Don't think the argument against it stands. 

If you rule it out there are all sorts of minor issues in the box that will be really difficult to ref.

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In all instances where the rule is advantageous to us, I think it's correct. In all instances where a team scores against us because of a striker seagulling around the box, I think it's terrible.

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Can we please get Greenacre back on the Pod and ask him what exactly happened in the podcast to make our set pieces start to work? Clearly it was the inspirational talk with the Podys that did it.

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One step at a time News

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Teams can no longer foul us just outside the box as we may now score from it. If we score from corners then what are teams supposed to do, play football?
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EXALDEAR wrote:
Teams can no longer foul us just outside the box as we may now score from it. If we score from corners then what are teams supposed to do, play football?
Thats a good point. Previously we had no set piece impetus so teams fouled at their will knowing they would not be punished. Putting Roly on the ball has made a difference.
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#InTheZone 157 is out www.yellowfever.co.nz/podcasts.

Despite a lack of LUX, Wellington Phoenix FC lit up the Hutt Wreck once more with another late blitz to beat Adelaide United FC. Ahead of the Distance Derby, Neil Sherwin dials in the pod to help preview this weekend's fixture. While Anthony Hudson names his second All Whites squad for the away trip to Korea.

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Tried to give the AU 442 podcast a listen last night. Jeez it was so terrible in comparison to this. Production is awful and none of the podcasters could give a clear answer or opinion on anything.

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Dick Smith.

lol.

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2ndBest wrote:

#InTheZone 157 is out www.yellowfever.co.nz/podcasts.

Despite a lack of LUX, Wellington Phoenix FC lit up the Hutt Wreck once more with another late blitz to beat Adelaide United FC. Ahead of the Distance Derby, Neil Sherwin dials in the pod to help preview this weekend's fixture. While Anthony Hudson names his second All Whites squad for the away trip to Korea.

Good love making music Dale

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Nothing half about News' ass.

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2ndBest wrote:

Nothing half about News' ass.

Ooh err! Longterm?
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Needs more stats. Also, after listening to far too many of these, I'm thinking there could be a drinking game build around this pod. Imagine drinking every time dale mispronounces a name or smithy says "which was a dire game " or news gets bleeped. Anyone else keen?
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2ndBest wrote:

‪#‎InTheZone‬ 158 is out yellowfever.co.nz/podcasts.

So yeah...we're top.

Pleasing...pleasing...we go top for the first time in our history after beating the top of the table team, away, in fudgeing Perth and you guys are..."pleased"...way to keep a lid on it fellas!

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Not top for first time...

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Hard News wrote:

Not top for first time...

I get my stats from Worthington so if they're wrong, sue him

I am currently house sitting at a house where we are told that it had sky before we moved in and subsequently discovered only has free view.  I would describe that realisation as (literally Ruud) the worst day of my life considering it's the middle of the A-League season and the cricket world cup.  Anyway, I'm looking for all the media I can to bring this season to life, so bring me PASSION

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We were just one week earlier after we beat Adelaide until kick off in the MVC v PER game.

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Disappointing lack of coverage of the Nighthawks preseason escapades. 

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james dean wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

‪#‎InTheZone‬ 158 is out yellowfever.co.nz/podcasts.

So yeah...we're top.

Pleasing...pleasing...we go top for the first time in our history after beating the top of the table team, away, in fudgeing Perth and you guys are..."pleased"...way to keep a lid on it fellas!

Back to back 6am wake ups is more than enough to take any enthaism out of me.

LG
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Ive just done 5 days of 5am wake ups and before last weekend I worked 8 more. Life is tough sometimes but one handles it.

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Surely this is the song for the next pod, if not then you failed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laRyswIO_-g

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My money's on:

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I was actually surprised that Van Halens 'Top of the world' did not get used

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#‎InTheZone‬ 159 is out yellowfever.co.nz/podcasts.

The pod is back as Wellington Phoenix FC extend their lead at the top of the ladder with a rain assisted win over Brisbane Roar FC and Joey Crews dials in to preview Sydney FC's visit. In New Zealand football news, the All Whites travel to Korea and ASB Premiership semis are underway.

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