Injuries - is it our trainer?

Injuries - is it our trainer?

I have to ask a ligeitmate question here and it relates to the trainer Lee Taylor.

We have never had this many injuries ever. Are the guys being over trained and its caused the injuries?

Its his first year with us and we have never had so many players crocked. A couple are unlucky but a lot of muscle tweaks...
Jeff Vader2011-11-13 22:11:48

thats a good point, i know the kicking coach had something to do with injuries in ABS cams, so could be the case here to

Injury list:
21 minus

Ifill (muscle)
Pantelis (knee)
Lia (muscle)
Pav (break)
Downey (knee)

in this game we lost Sanchez, Daniel, SigmUnd and Lochhead (all muscle)

We have 12 for next week.........


Jeff Vader2011-11-13 21:08:47

Question thief! I asked this on the match thread 

Does make you wonder though. 9 players injured at the same time?

Ifill, Pantelis and Lia all have had injury problems in the past, and you can't put Pav mucking around and breaking his arm down to training.

Daniel, SigmUnd and Lochhead looked like cramp.

Also lack of squad to rotate means more strain on the small crop of players which in turn has lead to more injuries (in my opinion!)

I did say in the match thread I did ask that. To be fair I hadn't seen your comment, but I'll give you 50% credit.

Checked the time stamps. 1 min apart. Great minds.....
Jeff Vader2011-11-13 21:12:00

Injuries tend to come down to lack of strength - especially hamstrings.  Maybe the strength training is not great?

Possibly Cosimo but with his record and the clubs he has been at????? Come on....

I'm not questioning the trainer, just the strength of our players. I would hope they could all squat, past parallel, about twice their body weight, being professional athletes.. But I'd be very surprised if this was the case.

But as the trainer, its his job to make sure our players are strong in that area. Hamstrings are the primary muscle group of any footballer. If this is overlooked then sack Lee due to basic incompetance.

Yep.

Sorry but your talking rubbish, hamstrings can just go no matter how strong you are, in fact the stronger you are the more probability you can injure them. How many times have you seen a sprinter pull up with a hamstring injury, you cant tell me they haven't got strength in that area?

Muscle imbalance and lack of flexability are the more likely causes of  a hamstring injury.
Teza2011-11-13 21:53:09

Ok. Then should that not be the trainer to ensure that does not happen?

I'm not on a witch hunt for Lee. I'm just asking the question if objectively as the trainer, he has to shoulder none/some/all of this problem.

I'm just surprised that as the trainer, with his pedigree, that we have the amount of injuries we do and its all in his first season. Coincidence? possibly.....

this.

A muscle imbalance means the strong muscles cause the weak ones to injure, not the other way around. You can never be too strong. I shouldn't have singled out hamstrings, though, Apparently groin injuries are more prevalent in football. But the same principle applies.

already got an injury thread

http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15998

Another great benefit of strength training for the soccer player is injury prevention. I don�t care how good of a soccer player you are. You can�t do much for your team if you�re injured. Athletes who strength train have fewer injuries, and if they are injured, they usually come back more quickly. The reasoning behind this is that strength training strengthens muscle attachments, tendons, and ligaments and increases bone density.

http://www.elitefts.com/documents/soccer_strength.htm

Yup

but I'm asking a different question

If players are getting injured running about warming up before a game, they have weak something. 

How many have we actually had injured in the warm ups?

At least one. Too many.

can you ever over train??? I am already running for the start of my next footy season.more to keep fit tho

how long till pavalova back now? im sure he could play with a broken bone !! well by the looks of it he might have to

As always, we should look to the ABs to answer this questions...

Wait... So its not the trainers fault?

Some injuries are unavoidable (lia, pav, pantelis) but muscle injuries you have to look at overtraining (conditioning should be ok 5 games in now). Its the trainers and physios job to manage this. Correct me if Im wrong but they are both new?? perhaps taking a little time to get up to speed? The Ifill experiment went horribly wrong.

From what I`ve seen and heard I don`t think over training is the problem

I know this is random but the more we talk about this topic, the more i'm impressed on Greenie.

your hamstrings should be stronger than your quads if you train correctly. Quad dominance is the main problem in hamstring injuries, so my original point stands - you should have strong as f**k hamstrings to help avoid injury. How often do athletes who run a lot get quad injuries compared with hamstrings?
Cosimo2011-11-14 18:07:37

All those years in the english system of 9-10 months of footy at a time, 2 games a week at times has prob put him in good stead, the A-League is hardly a strenuous season in terms of number of fixtures

The optimum quad-hamstring strength ratio is around 60-80% i.e your hamstrings should be around 60-80% as strong as your quads. You are very unlikely ever to get stronger Hamstrings than Quads, remember you have 4 Quad muscles (rectus femoris, Vastus Lateralis, Vastus medialis & Vastus intermedius) to the 3 hamstrings (semitendinosus, semimembranosus &  biceps femoris). So if you get the ratio right i.e. don't have a muscle imbalance and have good flexability then you should reduce the likelyhood of an injury, although as others have said sometimes things just break.

You also have lots of muscles in your face, but that doesn't mean your face is stronger than your ass.

Anyway, I think we mean the same thing, don't we? Strong hamstrings are good?

Talked to my sister in law who's a sports physio today. She reckons the Nix injury problems.....especially the soft tissue injuries like adductors, groins and hammies are not really the fault of the current trainer. Probably more the fault of the wrong sort or lack of proper muscle conditioning preseason. Chances are with little or no backroom staff for much of the off season the guys did not get enough proper muscle conditioning or the wrong sort. So if you go into tough match conditions where you are continualy making explosive fast movements and your muscle ratio's flexibilty etc are all out of whack then you will get injuries. Just goes to show those guys in the tracksuits shouting their heads off at training are really quite important.

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You also have lots of muscles in your face, but that doesn't mean your face is stronger than your ass.

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If you ask Brad Thorn what he thinks is key to staying injury free he will tell you flexibility is somewhere near the top. We all know how well he's done to stay relatively injury free for and old bastard playing rugby so it must have some merit.

Yoga and pilates are excellent for flexibility.

Ballet