Knock knock - just typical media bashing
Knock knock - just typical media bashing
From Radio Sport Concerns over Brazilians at the
Phoenix7/24/2007 8:36 AM
The South American theatrics by the Brazilians playing for the Phoenix are not likely to win over the fans
Despite their undoubted ability, football fans may not be won over by the Brazilian quartet at the Wellington Phoenix.
That is the warning from commentator Gordon Irving following the club's first home hit-out against the inaugural A-League champions, Sydney FC, which they won three-nil.
Two of the Brazilians started against Sydney and Irving says there were some concerns. He says the jury is still out as he did not like the theatrics that is often seen with South American players. Irving says it will not go down well with the fans if players are rolling around on the ground and it certainly will not be accepted at away matches. He says coach Ricki Herbert will be aware of it and will try to get rid of it as it will not help them when the A-League season gets underway late next month.
While the win over Sydney is encouraging, Irving says past experience has shown pre-season form does not necessarily translate into A-League success. He says Adelaide United did not win a match in the Pre-Season Cup competition but went on to secure a place in the A-League grand final.
Irving says it will not go down well with the fans if
players are rolling around on the ground
Was this guy even at the game!
We loved it when the players feigned the injuries! Does anyone
besides me remember the roar that went up? ? ? It makes for a
great larf. What planet is Irving on, boring old git. These self
righteous media types are full of crap. Get over yourselves.
Everybody at the ground had a bloody marvelous time, why not report
on that?
Grrrrrr . . .. .. . . . I'm not getting any less angry
with these people. . . . .
phil_style2007-07-24 09:51:30
Typical nonsense. Which end is he talking out of?
Sheesh...can't we just wallow in the glory for a bit?
Who is this guy anywway? I wanna write a response. . ..
Irving can get f*ckd....just cos adelaide are gonna get DICKED
He is the top Australian commentator.
Maybe I am just overly sensitive to criticism, but the point
is that we have just had a really good result against a top A
League side and firstly the TV IGNORE it and the first chance the
Radio have to look at the game, they go and seek an Aussie to
F*cking BAG it.
He'll just say that he was quoting Gordon Irving.
Has Mr Irving asked the fans. He has not asked me because
they have won me over. What a plunker!!!
I loved the Brazilians, thought they were great.
Phil, I reckon you should write, let him have it.
I loved the Brazilians, thought they were great.
Phil, I reckon you should write, let him have it.
It's actually kind of hard to respond becasue Irvings actual quotes
are so short that it is hard to pin down an exact opinion.
phil_style2007-07-24 10:07:26
The artcile itself is not authored, and pretends to simply be
a quotation from Iriving, when in fact, it is not.
The real culprit here is the person who wrote the article for
the NZ press ( i note it has been used by Newstalk ZB also). The
article is carefully nuanced with words like "not likely" and "may
not be won over", so to rebbutt those kind of statements, all the
writer has to say to respnd in "I only said it might".
So while formulating a counter argument is difficult, it is
obvious that the spirit of the article is negative, and whoever
wrote it seems to be looking for any reason to criticise. I suppose
my main problem is that the write seems to think he/she can speak
on behalf of the fans, i.e. "Irving says it will not go down
well with the fans if players are rolling around on the
".
Well I beg to differ. It will go down well with the fans,
because we love the nix!
Oh phenix we do,
Oh phoenix we do
Oh pheonix we do,
Oh phioenix we love you!
What's even more interesting is how Adelaide never won a match in
the pre-season cup last year but won the pre-season cup
competition.
Pretty hard to do that i would have thought.
Hard News2007-07-24 10:20:38
Pretty hard to do that i would have thought.
Hard News2007-07-24 10:20:38
Thats the sort of ill informed bullsh*te you are likely to hear
from a f**king rugby fan!
What's even more interesting is how Adelaide never won a match in
the pre-season cup last year but won the pre-season cup
competition.
Pretty hard to do that i would have thought.
Pretty hard to do that i would have thought.
He might have been talking about the 05-05 season . ..
.
He is the top Australian commentator.
Maybe I am just overly sensitive to criticism, but the point
is that we have just had a really good result against a top A
League side and firstly the TV IGNORE it and the first chance the
Radio have to look at the game, they go and seek an Aussie to
F*cking BAG it.
He is? I've never, ever heard of him...
Who does
he work for?
Who does
he work for?
He might have been talking about the 05-05 season . ..
.
But they never made the Season 1 Grand Final. Either way it's complete rubbish. Typical of the ill-researched clap trap that the NZ Sports media all to often get away with.
Gordon Irving is an NZ commentator and my bet is he made 15 minutes of comments and they focussed on one negative item in that.
He might have been talking about the 05-05 season . ..
.
But they never made the Season 1 Grand Final. Either way it's complete rubbish. Typical of the ill-researched clap trap that the NZ Sports media all to often get away with.
Gordon Irving is an NZ commentator and my bet is he made 15 minutes of comments and they focussed on one negative item in that.
Cheers HN, yeah this article is garbage. We should find out
who wrote it and slap them silly. . .
He might have been talking about the 05-05 season . ..
.
But they never made the Season 1 Grand Final. Either way it's complete rubbish. Typical of the ill-researched clap trap that the NZ Sports media all to often get away with.
Gordon Irving is an NZ commentator and my bet is he made 15 minutes of comments and they focussed on one negative item in that.
LOL! I wish you'd said that earlier! I've just spent the last
5mins doing a Google-Australia Only on him...
Of course he is, cheers HN
I was thinking of that English commentator on Fox, but I can't
recall his name.
I'm ringing radiosport now to find out where they sourced this
article
I'm listening online. Make sure you give YF a plug.
Of course he is, cheers HN
I was thinking of that English commentator on Fox, but I can't
recall his name.
Simon Hill. He's a sh*tny fan, but last season he had a hard
on for the Victory as big as the Harbour Bridge so we love
him!
Cheers.
PS Is it Telfer on Radio Sport at the moment. He is THE most
anti-football media hack of them all.
Not Telfer at the moment. Think its Darcy Waldergrave (sp?). They're going on and on about the Tour De France.
No, he's away doing the netball. Kent Johns is on, but the
interview with irving doesn't appear to be from his show.
Darcy is on at twelve.
Kent's a decent football man.
Hard News2007-07-24 10:57:20
Darcy is on at twelve.
Kent's a decent football man.
Hard News2007-07-24 10:57:20
I've emailed RadioSport (lines were busy).
phil_style2007-07-24 10:57:24
Here's the conversation so far: (in reverse order, copied from
the emails)
Thanks for
endeavouring to find out for me.
There are some inaccuracies in it, and it is getting a hammering on the yellow fever website � see here: http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1131
I may draft a response to the author and those who printed it .
Phillip Smith
From:
Radio
Sport [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, 24
July 2007 10:50 a.m.
To: Phillip
Smith
Subject: RE: Articel
source
im not sure, i shall ask the news desk and come back to you, why do you ask?
craig
From:
Phillip
Smith [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, 24
July 2007 10:42 a.m.
To: Radio Sport
Subject: Articel
source
Can someone please tell me where this article on your website was sourced from: http://www.radiosport.co.nz/SportsNews/spsoc/Detail.aspx?id=121350
Regards,
I got it from their newspage
Yeah, cheers Daikiwi, but the article itself does not have a listed
author. . . That's why I'm tryign to find
out, because it wasn't written by Irving, and deosn't have the NZPA
reference either. . .
No reference? Just goes to show what poor journalism it was.
PS Is it Telfer on Radio Sport at the moment. He is THE most
anti-football media hack of them all.
They don't bylline their newspages. They are basically the scripts
from their news. It is legit journalism, but it is just SOOOOO
negative. And that is the point.
PS Is it Telfer on Radio Sport at the moment. He is THE most
anti-football media hack of them all.
Make Telfer's son a guest of honour at the next YF do!
I know Deaker's son does. Aren't Telfer's kids still pretty
young ?
I remember him saying his son woke him up when N.Z. scored their
first goal against Wales. I think this son is about 13.
I emailed radio sport to see if they would post the interview with Irving in the audio bank. Just got a reply. They will do it.
sanday2007-07-24 11:49:43
I emailed radio sport to see if they would post the interview with Irving in the audio bank. Just got a reply. They will do it.
sanday2007-07-24 11:49:43
I hard the interview with Irving, it was on Andrew Dewhursts show
on Sunday night. I think the intervew itself was pretty good,
Irving seems quite enthusiastc about the Phoenix. . . I take
issue with who-ever summarised that interview becasue it wasn't a
negative interview as the article suggests
What is the membership of Yellow Fever - ie do you count all those
who visit the forums or just those who have signed up. The reason
being, is that this website has quickly become a fan's voice piece,
and that can be really powerful.
My club Swansea have a really good unofficial website, which
gained huge kudos in the late 1990s when it was at the forefront of
saving the club after it was taken over by a really bad owner who
brought the club to within a whisker of liquidation. It has
remained active as an independent voice of the fans, and I know all
the media in the town still frequently visit it to gauge the
feeling of the fans.
You can visit it at http://scfc.co.uk/
This site reminds me a lot of it, with the passion and
everything so good on yer guys.
Yep, you guys are doing a really good job of making people stand up
and listen. Good work :D
I know various media types and club reps do visit at times and try
and guage the mood of the fans. Problem is that they have to
care about what the fans think. So when you have an article
like this which is clearly designed to put a negative spin on
Sunday's performance then the mood of the fans isn't really taken
into account. All I think that we can do is ring Radio Sport
and let them know that we don't agree.
This was on this morning's news at 7 am which is pretty
disappointing, especially considering as on Monday's news they
didn't even mention the result (which has I think already been
canvassed).
We are going to have to fight for fair representation in the
media, that much is true. Everyone here needs to take Phil's
lead and be active in emailing various media when we receive unfair
representation, or none at all. I think we'll try and put
together a list of contacts emails for complaints and post it here
so we can start to try and get some positive change! Good
start Phil.
Black Plague may be able to correct me on this but my understanding
is that in Brazil diving, feigning injury etc is all considered to
be part of the skill of the game. Being able to gain any kind
of advantage is seen as admirable and they don't really see
it as "cheating" in the same way that your average
uptight, po-faced, W.A.S.P does.
I think we all need to help normalise this behaviour in our
culture so that it becomes more generally accepted and
our Brazilians are free to express themselves fully on the football
pitch without criticism.
From now on I will be over-acting and generally trying to get
other people in trouble in all aspects of my life.
Perhaps a new innovation in the stands could be a
variation on the Mexican wave called the Brazilian dive. In support
of our boys the entire crowd occasionally throws themselves on
the ground, writhes around a bit holding their ankle and then jumps
up quickly.