Knock knock - just typical media bashing

At least you could claim you got injured feigning injury!

 I'm listening to a replay now  with the Ceo from the phoenix seems a good guy knows his footy and stuff pretty level headed,i will listen on and check out the Iriving interview
 

Tourets2007-07-24 18:25:22

Yeah I was wondering that too - before I send an abusive email to radiosport.

man three hours of andrew dewhurst and i ain't heard no interview with gordon irving  and i missed home and away

Well to give you the Brazilian perspective, they call it Valorizar which means: to make the most of, it is part of the culture in every facet. Jeitinho ( to find a way round something) ie. to get ahead in the line at the bank...this can be translated onto the football field when a player "valoriza" by diving he sees it as a possibiltiy of a goal not as cheating. To the player it is a legitimate form of attack. Robinho is very accomplished at this!!

I like the idea of James Dean...i rang TVNZ and TV3 on sunday nite to ask:

A) Why there was no coverage of the Phoenix game
B) Why it didnt even get mentioned at all!
C) Will there be more coverage in future

If they can show the goals of the Phoenix game at Masterton vs the -20s, why didnt they bother to show the awesome win vs Sydney???

I wasnt abusive to them but stern and just sought a straight up answer (which is what I didnt get, surprise, surprise). Basically the ppl i needed to talk to were not there, and I should call back on Monday. Got a nice South African woman for TV3, who was quite interested and took my details and told me someone would call me the next day which didnt happen. TVNZ were a bit more rude and evaded the question as much as possible.

I call on u guys to give them a call and tell them what you think:

TV3: (09) 377 9730
TVNZ: (09) 916 7000

They better not screw up there chance to cover it at QE2 this fri nite!!

TVNZ on the whole are a pack of cnuts in my experience when it comes to anything football related. You would think that the dwarf would have some idea about it considering he is mates with Hollywood... Cnut2007-07-25 23:04:08

UPDATE on Radiosport article:

My reply was the following:

"Thanks for the reply Brenton,

I guess you have spotted the factual error with respect to Adelaide results in the preseason cup/ league. That is fine, and is an easy mistake to make.

Some of the lads have taken issue with the tone of the article, and while we understand that it is a journalists role to find an interesting able to news, it is considered that putting a negative spin on the interview with Mr Irving (which I listened to) does not do the code, the interview or the Phoenix any justice. I also recognise that "tone" is not something that can be objectively discredited but is determined based on one�s own subjective reading of the article. I would stress however, that this merely highlights the need to ensure that criticism is also tempered with positivity.

There was certainly enough room in the article to focus on the positive comments of Mr. Irving which I heard him make during the interview. It seems odd to me that the 1st, 2nd, 5th and 6th sentences of the article are essentially paraphrases of the same single negative comment. While the only positive quote is at the start of the final paragraph, which is caveated by a negative clause. If your writer was struggling for space to make positive comments, then it�s easy to see (by condensing 1, 2 5 and 6) where the extra space could be found.

The article makes two unfounded claims about what Phoenix fans may or may not like, without any reference to comments from the fans themselves. The first line "The South American theatrics by the Brazilians playing for the Phoenix are not likely to win over the fans" is not quoted as coming from Irving, and I therefore assume it is placed in the article by the author. In fact, the yellow fever forums are full of comment from Phoenix fans, almost all of which have praised the efforts of the Brazilian import players. The theatrics were also well enjoyed by all at the game, and the crowd got behind these players when they were "rolling around on the ground". 

For the benefit of the unaware, there is also a brief discussion on the forums about why Brazilian players behave the way they do. In fact, YF have some members who live in Brazil, and support the team from there. These members have offered great insight into the Brazilian sporting culture.

Perhaps it would be best to avoid speaking on behalf of the fans, or making claims about what is likely/ unlikely to win us over. It's easy to find out what we thought of the game and whether or not we are won over, all your journalists have to do is jump on the YF website, introduce themselves and ask us.

Kind Regards,"

 

 

You've been busy Phil! Well done!

super stuff Phil.  Let us know about any response that you get

Yeah, great stuff Phil.

Yellow Fever aka The Institute of Brazilian Cultural Studies

 

Muito Obrigado Thanks man. haha Institute of Brazilian studies is pretty funny!!

I hope you're all this phlisophical if the Victory's new Brazillian signing, Dr Love, face-plants in the box and earns the penalty which crushes your finals hopes...somehow I doubt you will be!

Don't worry KP...Cleberson would have face-planted him into the penalty box without the need to feign an injury. And we will be cheering in full voice at that. I mean, when we're up 4-0 what does it matter to concede a penalty?

Here's TVNZs response to my email sent on Tuesday...(I don't think they got the point).

P.S. Good work Phil. You have officially become the YF Media Liaison Officer. Hammer Head2007-07-26 11:39:09

Nice work Phil, can you remember what time the Irving interview was on? I tried to get radio sport to put it in the audio bank but no cigar.

Hmm, sunday night at about 9pm. You'll have to check through a few around that time until you hear Dewhurst.

phil_style2007-07-26 12:02:51

just cos they don't have the rights to show it doesn't make it any less newsworthy

I've emailed her back, will post her reply here (if I get one). Hammer Head2007-07-26 12:26:44

I've put a post on my blog about it here: http://virtuphill.blogspot.com/ phil_style2007-07-26 12:32:10

Communications 101. Comprehension.1.  The action of understanding. 2 The ability to understand.

I think the explanations given above may explain why Brazilian's are more likely to dive.  In my mind, it doesn't make it ok. 

If you condone diving you are not a true football fan or sports fan as far as I am concerned. It's not within the spirit of the game at all, in fact it has almost become an accepted form of cheating. I know it is second nature to alot of South American players, but that does not make it right. We should applaud our Brazilian players for their technical abilities, not for gaining us unfair advantages. It is one of the most frustrating things about watching or playing a game of football, when your team is on the receiving end of such gamesmanship. Although I don't condone diving, it won't stop me supporting the Phoenix. Support our team, Don't support cheating...

This topic seems to have become a debate on the issue of diving. . . . . . I thnik we all agree that diving per se is not needed or wanted in the game. However, when the media single this out as the sole subject of their reporting then I think we need to rally.

I find it funny that many posters seem to suggest that diving is endemic among South Americans...anyone remember Michael Owen vs. Argentina in 2002 World Cup or Wayne Rooney against Arsenal a couple of years back?

The reality is that players at the top level try to gain any competetive advantage that they can over their opponents. As the game stands at the moment, the advantages of diving outweigh the disadvantages; ie. potential for a game-deciding goal against a possible yellow card as the worst case scenario. This will remain a no-brainer unless the referees change their approach. How that can happen, I don't know.

ps. I remember that there was a footy game on old PS1, maybe FIFA 99, in which you could take dives. I remember playing in World Cup semi-final against my mate, 1-1 in extra time, when I burst into the box, took a dive, got a penalty and scored to win the game. I think my mate's still fuming about that, sorry bro...

Hey Gentleman (& Ladies)

So are some of you suggesting that we should change the rules of the game because it's part of the Brazilian culture?? I have Brazilian friends and have played football with a number of Brazilian players who don't dive, as well as a few that have. I have respect for Black Plagues comments, and the Brazilian culture, the point I was making was that diving is against the rules of the game, and we should not applaud people who break those rules. If everyone goes breaking the rules we might as well just abolish them. I can understand why top level sportsman would want to gain any advantage they can find, the point is it should not be done illegally. The Brazilian players we have seem to be talented, they don't need to dive. I agree with el grapadura that diving is not symptomatic to just South American players, there are players from every country I'm sure that do it. My comments had nothing to do with any kind of bias, I would rather just watch the Phoenix without the dives. I also agree with Phil that the Media should not target the Phoenix for diving because that is unfair and unecessary. Hopefully with some good performances on the field the media will be left with no choice but to portray the Phoenix as the quality football team we know they are. 

Yes, the game is the same  but the point is that you are interpreting the Brazilian concept of valorizar within the cultural norms that you grew up with and understand so of course it does not make sense to you.

To quote Cashmore (1990) in sociological terms ruling groups within many societies see value in sport because of its power "in drawing subordinate groups toward an acceptance of ideas that are fundamental to their control". Cashmore points out that this is particularly true in colonial situations where "by participating in sports, populations who came under American and British influences were taught teamwork, the value of obeying authority, courage in the face of adversity, loyalty to fellow team members (especially the captain) and, perhaps most importantly, respect for the rules".

To put it in a way which is more relevant to me and my own career Boyd (1999) points out that "America loves their black entertainers when they behave "properly" and stay in their place... These entertainers are constantly held to the expectations of a mainstream society that has no understanding for the fact that not everyone shares the same world view".

The point here is that the Brazilian concept of valorizar is neither "right" nor "wrong" it's just different.

I realise that it can be difficult to confront ones own prejudices and accept the need to change but I hope you have taken one small step on that journey today.

terminator_x2007-07-26 19:45:49

Mmm...to quote that famous Authority on life (Denny Crane)...Postmodernism,It's just PC Poope coop.

Terminator X, nobody has been talking with any prejudices from what I can see. It might be the Brazilian way...Black Plague mentioning it as such is the first time I have ever heard of it, but I can accept it because I have no doubt he has a lot more knowledge on the subject than I do. But the point I was trying to make at least, was that diving is illegal in the game of football and we should not encourage it. I don't say they they shouldn't dive because it's not my culture or because I wasn't brought up to play that way, but purely because it is against the rules, and is quite unfair. I think it would be sad to walk along on a Saturday morning to watch juniors that are concentrated on diving to try and win.  However if they start to play in that Samba style we have come to expect from Brazilians I am sure we will all be pleased. Again, I don't think I'm being prejudicial because I think that players shouldn't dive. Chiefy2007-07-26 21:02:34