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lessons learnt vs BLING

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I rate Daniel as a creative force but he doesn't have the pace to play as a winger in a 4-4-2.
 
Kwasnik did alright against Sydney but i agree with a lot of what Mossy said on Page 2 - he was a bit ponderous with the ball, didn't always track back quick enough, generally looked a bit knackered. But definite potential to do a job on the left.
 
And i think playing 4-4-2 with 2 defensive midfielders is no good.
 
I reckon keep one of Brown / Johnson / McKain as a DM and put Daniel or Gao at the top of the diamond for some creativity.
 
Covs does a job but is not a goal threat. I reckon Hearfield can scare defences with his running once he finds form and could link well with Smeltz.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Corkster wrote:
Kwasnik against Sydney

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV3o1D3GrlQ


 
Not too much to get excitied about there. It is hard to tell but he looked onside for his"goal" though. Robbed - and a yellow for his effort. Ref should have been carded
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Corkster wrote:
Kwasnik against Sydney

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV3o1D3GrlQ



 Obviously mossy never saw the same game, or was it because kawsi changed flanks

He NEVER closed anyone down quickly, he NEVER sprinted back to cover the back door when it was open, he NEVER made a quick run off his marker or take him away to create space behind for Smeltzeee etc, he NEVER  made a quick offering run into space, he tried to take a man on for pace once and Brosque took it off him and then had time to backheel it to his fullback.

He has NO pace.

WTF



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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He may lack pace but he's been out for awhile and it might be game fitness that he's lacking.
It'll be interesting to see if his work-rate picks up if he starts on Monday.

I thought the yellow card was fair; although wrong, the offside was called early and it this level he should know better than to play on after the whistle, fun that it might be.
 
 
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Corkster wrote:
Kwasnik against Sydney

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV3o1D3GrlQ





Good things- he often has a great first touch, has a few tricks, but also makes passes and gets into space to receive them. Highlight perhaps the point where he looked for the long ball- it wasn't on so he didn't just hoof it, but passed square and kept possesion.

Decent alround player, much better suited to the left wing position, which leaves us still needing a decent striker up front, unless Coveny can find his striking boots.

Didn't think his pace was apalling or anything, he didn't seem to get burnt off too much, and had good anticipation.

Jets will be tougher opposition at home you would think.


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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nice goal that wasn't allowed. He was onside for sure.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
we are not clever enough out of possession to play a diamond midfield hence 4-4-2 with a flat 4 midfield works for us because it is so f**king simple to organise and everyone knows their roles, just the same way that 4-2-3-1 or any basically any other formation leaves to many gray areas and we are not able to effectively close down and stifle opposition attacks, leave that be if anything give ferrante a run with brown as two cms, obviously brown will hold a little more and ferrante will get forward a little more almost like a 60/40 split, any talk of herafield, gao or daniel playing in the middle of the park is just rubbish, they cannot defend, they have a low work rate out of possession and they regularly lose possession, if they were to give up the same amoutn of possession in central areas as they do in wide areas when playing wide we would get murdered!
 
interested to see the lack of feedback on manny muscat vs mulligan, I thought manny was far more adapt than mulligan, as previously stated has more pace, higher work rate and better short game than mulligan although muscat has shown he can be overrun by a stronger opponent eg Allsop or Fabiano - get him in the gym to bulk up and increase strength and power and her could be a good long term signing.
 
 
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
sloth wrote:
Corkster wrote:
Kwasnik against Sydney

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV3o1D3GrlQ



 Obviously mossy never saw the same game, or was it because kawsi changed flanks

He NEVER closed anyone down quickly, he NEVER sprinted back to cover the back door when it was open, he NEVER made a quick run off his marker or take him away to create space behind for Smeltzeee etc, he NEVER  made a quick offering run into space, he tried to take a man on for pace once and Brosque took it off him and then had time to backheel it to his fullback.

He has NO pace.

WTF



 
Is "WTF" a question?
 
If you read my posts again you'll notice I mentioned he improved in the second half so I DID watch the game .... and again on TV, the WHOLE game, not just the Kwasnik snippets.
FIRST HALF -Wasn't that him being beaten for pace just before the goal, or lacking pace to get past Brosque in the same snippets section?BTW, did you notice he swapped flanks and immediately gave the ball away?
SECOND HALF - Improvement for sure and showed enough for me to  justify saying I'd be happy to have him start again. Did give the ball away a bit too though. The goal wasn't a goal, everyone knew the whistle had gone, so he was lucky not to be carded. Can't judge his finish when play had stopped.
 
The snippets are useful, thanks to whoever put it together, it reinforces what I said previously. When we had a lot of possion he looked good, but when we needed to defend he was caught short and looked lethargic. With so many away games coming up it will be that defensive quality and work rate that will be needed. Not preventing the cross that produced the goal is an example of that.
 
BTW, notice he is predominantly RIGHT footed although does seem to have a left peg that works.
(watch the snippets again to see).
 
"Obviously mossy never saw the same game" ...... D'ya still reckon?
 
 I do like the Kwasnik and was pleased when we signed him, but feel he is still short of genuine pace to be playing wide. Hopefully he will improve, and I think he should be persevered with. I'd still put him ahead of Daniel any day however.....he cannot tackle, header a ball or change pace.
 
I'll wait for the Daniel lovers to bash me up  now too!
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
where would you play kwasnik if not on the left? i think most would agree he has been rubbish up front or in the hole, he has looked best on the left and i believe probably our best option on the left unless you go for gao and bertos as the wide men in a 4-4-2
 
i believe daniel has most impact off the bench it winds him up a bit and he has a point to prove when he comes on
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Mossy wrote:
The goal wasn't a goal, everyone knew the whistle had gone, so he was lucky not to be carded.


He was carded.

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Hard News wrote:
Mossy wrote:
The goal wasn't a goal, everyone knew the whistle had gone, so he was lucky not to be carded.


He was carded.
 
ooops... obviously wasn't watching the game huh?
 
 
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
kilted_kiwi wrote:
where would you play kwasnik if not on the left? i think most would agree he has been rubbish up front or in the hole, he has looked best on the left and i believe probably our best option on the left unless you go for gao and bertos as the wide men in a 4-4-2
 
i believe daniel has most impact off the bench it winds him up a bit and he has a point to prove when he comes on
 
I'd leave him on the left as he is a better option to Daniel(don't get me started on him.....)
The side looked more balanced on Sunday, Kwasnik was a key part of that.
 
Overall thoughts ...... and what I took from the Bling game (with additional overall wishes)
 
Gao, Kwasnik, Bertos are my wide midfield players (starting and/ or bench). They's be on my team sheet every week.
 
Central midfielders are Brown, Johnson and Ferrante (starting and / or bench). Possibly McKain.
 
I'm just not convinced Daniel has got what's needed.
 
While I'm at it.........
 
Choice of - Muscat, Dodd, Durante, McKaine, Lochhead, Sigmund (starting and/ or bench) at the back.
No place for Mulligan here.Muscat showed he can do the job.
Dodd and Sigmund are central defenders, only wide at the back under emergencies.
Up front...
 
Smeltz and  Draper or Costa... time to give them a go.
Smeltz should NEVER play alone.
 
Covs near the end of games when everyone is tiring and  has slowed down to his pace.
 
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm gonna cry if Siggy doesn't start on Monday.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Mossy wrote:
 
Covs near the end of games when everyone is tiring and  has slowed down to his pace.
 

You do realise that Covs is the second fastest player in the squad?
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
People seem to have this fixation that because covs is getting on in his years he's slow. He's not, but perhaps doesn't have the Stamina he used to.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Malky wrote:
Mossy wrote:
 
Covs near the end of games when everyone is tiring and  has slowed down to his pace.
 

You do realise that Covs is the second fastest player in the squad?
 
over what distance? a metre?

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Good call that man


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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
anyone notice Dodd jump on Brownie when he scored and proceed to spoon him?

Founder

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yes. A great moment of man love.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
Malky wrote:
Mossy wrote:
 
Covs near the end of games when everyone is tiring and  has slowed down to his pace.
 

You do realise that Covs is the second fastest player in the squad?
 
over what distance? a metre?


It's certainly hard to believe, even over a metre. Lochhead, Gao, Bertos, Costa would all be clearly  faster from what I can tell, with the majority of the rest of the squad in the "probably faster than Coveny" category.

Source?

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Are you sure it wasn't the second slowest in the squad, behind Mulligan?

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
everyone on this site seems obessed with speed, like that is the most important attribute a player can have.  According to most here, we would be better off replacing Smeltz with Linford Christie.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Frankie Mac wrote:
everyone on this site seems obessed with speed, like that is the most important attribute a player can have.  According to most here, we would be better off replacing Smeltz with Linford Christie.
 
that would use an import spot. Maybe Gus Nketia

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm more interested in pace, TBH.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Pace has to accompany a sharp footballing mind, so that the player's pace is used appropriately, to make the right run to the right place at the right time.
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Frankie Mac wrote:
everyone on this site seems obessed with speed, like that is the most important attribute a player can have.  According to most here, we would be better off replacing Smeltz with Linford Christie.
 

I was always told the first 5 yards are the most important in football , you can close a guy down or get off your marker and make yourself half a yard if you've got a quick 5 yards in ya..
 
Not an obsession, merely a fact.
 
Everyone needs to be quick, but to play the role that Covs wants to play you need genuine pace and  I doubt he still has that.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Half the time, Coveny has needed to use every fast-twitch fiber he has to chase hopeless long balls.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Mossy wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
everyone on this site seems obessed with speed, like that is the most important attribute a player can have.  According to most here, we would be better off replacing Smeltz with Linford Christie.
 

I was always told the first 5 yards are the most important in football , you can close a guy down or get off your marker and make yourself half a yard if you've got a quick 5 yards in ya..
 
Not an obsession, merely a fact.
 
Everyone needs to be quick, but to play the role that Covs wants to play you need genuine pace and  I doubt he still has that.
 
what role is that?  Second striker (Teddy Sheringham) or target man (John Carew).

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Malky wrote:
Mossy wrote:
 
Covs near the end of games when everyone is tiring and  has slowed down to his pace.
 

You do realise that Covs is the second fastest player in the squad?


Not exactly an achievement in our squad. We don't exactly have any Walcott's runnin around.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
That was Coveny's best game for us. I only realised that when I watched it again - he got through a ton of work, won a lot in the air and harried the Bling defence (with his pace...) so much that a couple of times he panicked them into errors.
 
He still feels like a stop-gap measure to me but I'd say he definitely made a good contribution to that victory. Be interesting to see if Hearfield can step up when he gets another opportunity. He's been disappointing so far.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:
3 points doesnt neccesarily mean higher league position
 
Just thought id be a bastard and point that out
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Frankie Mac wrote:
Mossy wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
everyone on this site seems obessed with speed, like that is the most important attribute a player can have. According to most here, we would be better off replacing Smeltz with Linford Christie.


I was always told the first 5 yards are the most important in football , you can close a guy down or get off your marker and make yourself half a yard if you've got a quick 5 yards in ya..


Not an obsession, merely a fact.


Everyone needs to be quick, but to play the role that Covs wants to play you need genuine pace and I doubt he still has that.


what role is that? Second striker (Teddy Sheringham) or target man (John Carew).


Sheringham should never have played football my granny was quicker than him and that was when he was at his peak.

But hold on wasn't he one of the best strikers in England and played up until he was forty. Speed of thought, ability to read the game and a good first touch, but as slow as a cart horse. Thank god Mossy wasn't a talent scout Sheringham would never have graced White Hart lane and praise the lord football is not a one dimensional game.
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Arsenal wrote:

Feverish wrote:
Malky wrote:
Mossy wrote:

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Covs near the end of games when everyone is tiring and �has slowed down to his pace.

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You do realise that Covs is the second fastest player in the squad?

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over what distance? a metre?
It's certainly hard to believe, even over a metre. Lochhead, Gao, Bertos, Costa would all be clearly� faster from what I can tell, with the majority of the rest of the squad in the "probably faster than Coveny" category. Source?
Before the season I remember in some interview two players were asked who was the fastest in the team and they said Gao or Coveny.
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whitby fever wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
Mossy wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
everyone on this site seems obessed with speed, like that is the most important attribute a player can have. According to most here, we would be better off replacing Smeltz with Linford Christie.


I was always told the first 5 yards are the most important in football , you can close a guy down or get off your marker and make yourself half a yard if you've got a quick 5 yards in ya..


Not an obsession, merely a fact.


Everyone needs to be quick, but to play the role that Covs wants to play you need genuine pace and I doubt he still has that.


what role is that? Second striker (Teddy Sheringham) or target man (John Carew).


Sheringham should never have played football my granny was quicker than him and that was when he was at his peak.

But hold on wasn't he one of the best strikers in England and played up until he was forty. Speed of thought, ability to read the game and a good first touch, but as slow as a cart horse. Thank god Mossy wasn't a talent scout Sheringham would never have graced White Hart lane and praise the lord football is not a one dimensional game.
 
It depends on what sort of role Covs is trying to play. Do you know Whitby? What do you think his role should be and then tell me if he's capable?
 
Is he trying to play the Sheringham or Carew role?
No.
Why?
Because he's not that skilled.That's never been his forte.
Does he STILL posses the pace to take people on and get to the byeline for 90 minutes?
No
What has his pace become useful for?
Harrying and hassling defenders, latching on to the odd through ball.
 
I think my point is that the way he is trying to play doesn't suit the style the Nix want to play, he is ineffectual and at times clumsy. He may be fast in a straight line but he is not fleet of foot with the ball at his feet and his skill level isn't that high.He is slow in these respects.
 
How do you think he can best be utilised?
 
I'll await your responses with interest, maybe you can be constructive?
 
 
 
 
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