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Letter to the Editor of Salient Magazine

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Letter to the Editor of Salient Magazine
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I read this week's edition of Salient (Victoria University student magazine) today. Good on you Toffeeman for raising some great points with your letter in reference to the Phoenix and the rise of football in Wellington and New Zealand. Although I won't be at Victoria next year, I hope prospective students  will be treated to some proper Sport articles rather than the mind numbing egg chasing dribble we were treated to this year, as you pointed out in your letter.
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DKP22 wrote:
I read this week's edition of Salient (Victoria University student magazine) today. Good on you Toffeeman for raising some great points with your letter in reference to the Phoenix and the rise of football in Wellington and New Zealand. Although I won't be at Victoria next year, I hope prospective students  will be treated to some proper Sport articles rather than the mind numbing egg chasing dribble we were treated to this year, as you pointed out in your letter.
 
any chance of posting the letter on the forum?
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Umm, as much as I'd like to take credit for being a litarary genius, it wasn't me. Is there a reason you thought it was me. I graduated from Vic but that was nearly 4 years ago.

Its no longer a problem.

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It was written by "The Toffeeman". I assumed it was you?

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I knew I should have slapped a copyright on the name. Its blatent plagerism. I may take legal action for defimation of character. People might think I have intelligent things to say when we all know that simply isn't true.

Its no longer a problem.

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The writer of the Salient sports column just won Sports Writer of the year at the Uni journalism awards - what was wrong with the Phoenix article? I'd be interested to see what the letter says...
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As long as we get all the 'Toffeemen' down to the Lounge on Saturday to shout at the Redsh*te!!!!!
 
 
Feverish, will you be there?
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i think all four of you new zealand based everton supporters are in for a rather rude shock
 
anyway, i thought that vic was a rugby free zone?! certainly was when i was there

360footballnews.com

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Here is the letter written to Salient:

The Beautiful Game

All year I've been reading Michael Oliver's sports columns and must admit that while they have been much focused on the traditional Kiwi sports, they've been pretty decent. I was waiting though, with bated breath, for the time when he finally decided to embrace the rise of the Phoenix in our city, and finally, in issue 23...it happened. Unfortunately the reason it appears that he hasn't addressed this issue before is because he is clearly clueless about the beautiful game. While it's a decent effort, to claim that "the quality offootball on display in the A-League would not go amiss on the fields of England" is to make a very big and rather ridiculous claim indeed (I was also shocked to see Steven Old making a similar claim). I'm an avid Phoenix fan and have been to every home game, and while I appreciate that the quality is of a high standard (and is improving every season in the A-League) it still has a long way to go before it can even hope to match the powerhouse leagues of Europe: the English Premiership, Spain's La Liga, Italy's Serie A and Germany's Bundesliga. Also he referred to the game as 'Soccer' on a few occasions...I know that it is stuck fast in the heads of many New Zealanders, but the name has been officially changed to football now in this country, it would be nice if 'sports writers' were to encourage the transition and refer to it by its proper name. In all the sports the column has been great, but maybe you should find someone who knows something about Football to chip in that department in the future.
 
Yours in football,
 
The Toffeeman.
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bigdunc wrote:
As long as we get all the 'Toffeemen' down to the Lounge on Saturday to shout at the Redsh*te!!!!!
 
 
Feverish, will you be there?
 
is there beer?

Founder

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Vic has its rugby scene. They even have a scholarship for people to come from overseas to play rugby!

I've started a Phoenix group on myvictoria, so hopefully there'll be a few more students catching the Fever
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DKP22 wrote:

Here is the letter written to Salient:

The Beautiful Game

All year I've been reading Michael Oliver's sports columns and must admit that while they have been much focused on the traditional Kiwi sports, they've been pretty decent. I was waiting though, with bated breath, for the time when he finally decided to embrace the rise of the Phoenix in our city, and finally, in issue 23...it happened. Unfortunately the reason it appears that he hasn't addressed this issue before is because he is clearly clueless about the beautiful game. While it's a decent effort, to claim that "the quality offootball on display in the A-League would not go amiss on the fields of England" is to make a very big and rather ridiculous claim indeed (I was also shocked to see Steven Old making a similar claim). I'm an avid Phoenix fan and have been to every home game, and while I appreciate that the quality is of a high standard (and is improving every season in the A-League) it still has a long way to go before it can even hope to match the powerhouse leagues of Europe: the English Premiership, Spain's La Liga, Italy's Serie A and Germany's Bundesliga. Also he referred to the game as 'Soccer' on a few occasions...I know that it is stuck fast in the heads of many New Zealanders, but the name has been officially changed to football now in this country, it would be nice if 'sports writers' were to encourage the transition and refer to it by its proper name. In all the sports the column has been great, but maybe you should find someone who knows something about Football to chip in that department in the future.
 
Yours in football,
 
The Toffeeman.
 
There are no were near enough spelling mistakes for that to have been me.

Its no longer a problem.

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Looks like you've become a 'brand', Toffeeman, or a franchise
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Reg22 do you want to check out the everton topic in the english football forum. ithink you'll find theres more than 4 of us
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What a whiney letter that is...embarrassing.


Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:

What a whiney letter that is...embarrassing.



Agreed. Eh, could be worse I suppose..

a.haak

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Tegal wrote:

What a whiney letter that is...embarrassing.



What do you expect, it's Salient!
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Salient should be re-named whiney-lient
I might right a letter about all the whining in it....
 
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also what is myvictoria - never heard of it

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Alistair wrote:

also what is myvictoria - never heard of it



Vic is bringing all the online student services together into one interface with some social networking overtones ala Facebook, Bebo etc. The have groups on there but they seem pretty under-used....I created a Phoenix one anyway just in case haha
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Tegal wrote:

What a whiney letter that is...embarrassing.



Yeah the letter is pretty sad. Why are people impressed by it?

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I have to agree, thats a very whiny letter. Though it does raise a couple of good points in that the Salient articles have been very rugby oriented (though really what do you expect from a RWC year?) and that the Phoenix are perhaps not up to Premiership quality....yet

However, though he is an avid rugby fan, I happen to know of a certain promise that was made by Michael Oliver which states
 
Should the All Blacks fail to win the 2007 Rugby World Cup, I, Michael Oliver, of sound mind and body, will forego New Zealand rugby and commit to purchasing a full season Phoenix season pass.
 
Now it's a bit late to buy a full season pass for this season - but I'm sure he will honour that promise next year...
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Nice article,
 but I still think that Salient is a waste of both paper and money.
Was it up to me, I would lock them all up in their office and would bombard them with my farts after I had like 3 Domino's pizza..That way I would have a laugh for once, and they would see how it feels to have someone around who is never, and I repeat it, never, serious.

G.

VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life

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Charlotte wrote:

I have to agree, thats a very whiny letter. Though it does raise a couple of good points in that the Salient articles have been very rugby oriented (though really what do you expect from a RWC year?) and that the Phoenix are perhaps not up to Premiership quality....yet

However, though he is an avid rugby fan, I happen to know of a certain promise that was made by Michael Oliver which states
 
Should the All Blacks fail to win the 2007 Rugby World Cup, I, Michael Oliver, of sound mind and body, will forego New Zealand rugby and commit to purchasing a full season Phoenix season pass.
 
Now it's a bit late to buy a full season pass for this season - but I'm sure he will honour that promise next year...


Here's hoping he backs up that promise and ends up with a severe case of Yellow Fever! If this is what it takes to get him supporting the Nix, the AB's loss could be the best thing that ever happened to him
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Greetings, Yellow Feverites, on behalf of the bastard for whom the "It's FOOTBALL not SOCCER, you filthy rugby-supporting, student-magazing-writing philistine!" letter to Salient was written about (and someone, I must add, who fully intends on making good on his promise to catch yellow fever).

To be honest, I thought the letter had a few good points, the major of which stemmed from an apparent dearth of football knowledge by yours truly. While it's true I was raised on a hefty diet of rugby (served with rugby pudding a flattering slice of rugby pie), I by no means detest the beautiful game, rather I've never really sought to learn much about it. It's a personality flaw the likes of which can only really be analysed by those with phDs, but with the rise of the Phoenix, I find myself with ample opportunity to embrace the sport, and, indeed, develop a deeper appreciation for how far it has come in this country.

Salient this year has had a policy of writing for the sake of garnering attention (hence its decision to showcase the inane babble of that misinformed douchebag Lindsay Perigo), but I was given virtually complete creative control over what went in the sports section. I had  been wanting to write a feature about the Phoenix (with a special nod to the hale and hardy of the Yellow Fever zone) for some time and pitched the idea to the editor back in late August/early September. The interview with Steven Old was intended to  be a full page 800+ word "mini feature, but things changed at the last minute and the article was sliced down to the size of a regular sports column (editorial decisions and the like).

I have to admit, I felt quite guilty since I had soaked this year's columns with "rugby this" and "rugby that," and I had been excited to hear about the type of fervour the Phoenix had gathered this year (I know a couple of Yellow Fever fans who go out of their way to use the "WHO ARE YA WHO ARE YA WHO ARE YA?" chant at every single opportunity, regardless of how hilariously inappropriate it is, and bugger me if it isn't catchy). I really wanted to do the team and Steven -- since he was an awesome guy to interview and has a real sense of how NZ football functioning at the moment -- justice. Sadly, I think I fell short of achieving that, but I'm adamant that next year the 'Nix and the fans will get the kind of coverage they deserve.

So, yeah, I didn't think the letter was that whiny, (I promise to never, ever address the beautiful game as that heathen yank-inspired "soccer" ever again), and here's hoping I do catch a bout of beautiful yellow fever, because frankly, I could do with an illness that actually works for me.

Cheers, love the forum, and I'll be giving those bastards from the Australian Mariners hell on Sunday.

Michael Oliver,
Salient Sports Bum
Michael Oliver2007-10-19 17:16:12
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DKP22 wrote:
I read this week's edition of Salient (Victoria University student magazine) today. Good on you Toffeeman for raising some great points with your letter in reference to the Phoenix and the rise of football in Wellington and New Zealand. Although I won't be at Victoria next year, I hope prospective students  will be treated to some proper Sport articles rather than the mind numbing egg chasing dribble we were treated to this year, as you pointed out in your letter.


Actually, just to be a pedantic sonuvabitch, I feel that I should note out of the 25 articles published this year, 15 weren't about rugby at all. That's, like, a majority or something.
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DKP22 wrote:
I read this week's edition of Salient (Victoria University student magazine) today. Good on you Toffeeman for raising some great points with your letter in reference to the Phoenix and the rise of football in Wellington and New Zealand. Although I won't be at Victoria next year, I hope prospective students  will be treated to some proper Sport articles rather than the mind numbing egg chasing dribble we were treated to this year, as you pointed out in your letter.


Actually, just to be a pedantic sonuvabitch, I feel that I should note out of the 25 articles published this year, 15 weren't about rugby at all. That's, like, a majority or something.
 
Michael
 
thank you for braving the den to explain yourself
 
Glad to hear you are mindful of your column stats
 
if you are looking for some kind of equitable method for the allocation of words per sport in next year's salient we at Yellow Fever are firm advocates of the international code participation distribution model (ISCDM)
 
the base international ratio is football 2 billion/rugby union 6. That figure can be adjusted to take account of local considerations. hence, you are permitted to incorporate a factor reflecting NZ's abnormally high interest in rugby, albeit you should also take account of VUW's high international student population, the All Blacks current status as 8th equal best rugby team in the world and the recent proliferation of varsity EMOs.
 
crunching some pretty quick numbers my calculations suggest that in 2008 you would be looking at a quota of 24 columns on football, 1 on punk skating, and nought on rugby (although you might just squeeze in 1 if you are radical enough to apply a Swedish rounding assumption).
 
i look forward to next year - in fact, its almost worth dusting off the bus pass and taking a lazy paper next year (can you still get Vicki's chippies in the union building? they were good)
 
 
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