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Local team local players

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Interesting comments in this article, and I think it points the way forward for the Phoenix.  Why go out to attract players when you can develop them yourself?  It solves issues of player retention, salary issues...in short, I think kiwi, or even better wellington players, are the way forward.  Get them back, take a chance on a guy from the NZFC and keep the team local.  Even imports from Australia aren't necessarily going to want to stick around...
 

SYDNEY FC are set to dip into the Asian market next season for the first time, with chairman Andrew Kemeny admitting Newcastle Jets' lively South Korean midfielder, Song Jin-hyung, was "just the type of foreigner we're looking for".

Football Federation Australia has announced the import quota for next season will increase from four to five players to compensate for impending expansion, and even clubs like Sydney FC and Central Coast Mariners - who have historically shied away from foreigners - are likely to step up their overseas recruiting to remain competitive.

Of particular interest is the Asian market, which has largely been ignored by A-League clubs but which is set to grow dramatically on the back of the shop window the Asian Champions League has provided.

The situation is also likely to work in reverse with cashed-up Japanese clubs - each allowed one player from another Asian Football Confederation country, starting next season - turning their eyes to the A-League.

Adelaide United skipper Travis Dodd (Kashima Antlers) and Newcastle Jets skipper Jade North (Urawa Red Diamonds) have already been linked to moves to Japan, while two other Japanese clubs, Kyoto Sanga and Sanfrecce Hiroshima, will be scouting for goalkeepers in the next few weeks, with Clint Bolton (Sydney FC) and Ante Covic (Newcastle Jets) on their radar.

And while the A-League currently boasts only three Asian players - South Korean duo Song and Hyuk Su-Seo (Queensland Roar) and Chinese winger Leilei Gao (Wellington Phoenix) - an influx is also on the way.

Mining magnate Clive Palmer, who will bankroll newcomers Gold Coast United, has already made it clear he wants at least one high-profile Chinese player to help promote his business interests.

Kemeny is less interested in commercial aspects and more concerned with on-field value, although he admits: "There are a lot of Asian people in Sydney who we'd like to come to our games."

But the man who signs the cheques has made it clear Sydney are keen to get at least a couple of new foreigners on their books for next season. As it stands, only Northern Irishman Terry McFlynn and American midfielder Mike Enfield are classed as visa players in John Kosmina's 23-man squad.

"As I've said before, our policy is not to focus on imports, but that's not to say we'll be ignoring them," Kemeny said. "In fact it's something we're looking at every single day. But it's a drawn-out, expensive, and very tedious business, and you have to make sure you get it right.

"Right now, we're looking outside the usual places, and Asia is something which definitely interests us. [Song] in Newcastle, he's just the type we're looking for. Maybe not a big name but the right age and the right quality to give something to the team.

"We definitely don't want to make the mistakes which have been made at this club in the past. In theory, imports are good for the A-League. In practice, only a small percentage have come up to scratch. That's why, rightly or wrongly, our policy is to develop young, local, players. That's why we're investing so much in our coaching staff."

 

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james dean wrote:
Interesting comments in this article, and I think it points the way forward for the Phoenix.� Why go out to attract players when you can develop them yourself?� It solves issues of player retention, salary issues...in short, I think kiwi, or even better wellington players, are the way forward.� Get them back, take a chance on a guy from the NZFC and keep the team local.�


You think local players who are good enough haven't been signed already? There's not enough quality at the moment to keep the team completely local.
Talent development is important, but until the club gets access to a meaningful competition where young players can be blooded and developed (possibly the NZFC next season), it's gonna be difficult for the club to make significant strides in that respect.
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I think the problem of development is even bigger than we think.  With the demise of one strong regional league between the 3 Northern Federations which has now become 2 diminished leagues the prospect of our young players from what is our largest population base getting the quality games they require, that big match pressure and the ability to develop their game has also diminished.  I believe that by having weaker winter leagues it makes it very hard for talented young players to break into NZFC sides and therefore excel at that level before getting a go at the Phoenix.  Ben Sigmund has had to prove himself for a long time at NZFC level until he was given a chance and it seems strange that it's taken till he was 26 before he made it.  Surely we need to produce players like every other a league team does that can play from 18 - 20 years and not look out of place.  I'm not sure if this problem exists in the Central League or in Mainland.  It is interesting to note that the Phoenix have two youngsters so to speak on their books.  Costa from Wellington and Draper from Canterbury but Auckland our biggest footballing base can't produce one. 
 
The next major problem is now the NZFC, with reduced games and uncertainty over it's existance this again reduces the experience our young players can gain from it.  Especially if they now have the chance to play against the likes of Vicelich and the Spainaird at Auckland and the Brazilian at Waitakere, hell even trying to mark De gregorio must be a learning experience for our young players and yet we are reducing this?
 
Lastly well done to Petone's U19 team for winning the National title.  My question is how many of them will now be given a chance to improve and go on with their game?
 
Please someone at NZF step in and do something or maybe Terry can just buy every NZ club or start his own league!
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I'd rather have the right players, or the best players. I'd rather have a winning team than a strictly local team.

Yes, we need to develop NZ's footballing talent. And the Phoenix can play a huge part in that. But  the Phoenix won't be around if they don't get results. 
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el grapadura wrote:
james dean wrote:
Interesting comments in this article, and I think it points the way forward for the Phoenix.  Why go out to attract players when you can develop them yourself?  It solves issues of player retention, salary issues...in short, I think kiwi, or even better wellington players, are the way forward.  Get them back, take a chance on a guy from the NZFC and keep the team local. 


You think local players who are good enough haven't been signed already? .
 
Yes.
 
Witness the fact that our best player in recent games has been Sigmund.  I don't believe that he's the only one who, with some work, is capable of stepping up.
 
Just from TeeDubs you'd have to have a look at Andy Barron.  Maybe even someone like Luis Corralles?  These aren't players you could put straight in to start, but neither was Siggy.
 
I'd love to see a well drilled NZFC XI put out against the Phoenix at the end of the NZFC.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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I don't give a rats arse where the players are from. 
 
The moment they put on the Black and Yellow they are Phoenix players!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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And the moment they move back to Melbourne they're forgotten trash.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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As far as I'm concerned, Siggy's been by far the best player in the NZFC over the last 2 years. He stood out like a sore thumb (but in a good way). I can honestly think of another player from the NZFC who'd be able to have the same sort of impact on the Phoenix.

Andy Barron and Luis Corralles? I don't think so. Jeremy Brockie and Cole Peverley? Perhaps. But I think ff we are going to go the local way, then emphasis needs to be on development of the younger players who can be brought into the professional environment at an early stage. But that's a whole different can of worms.
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I heart Pevs massive, so we agree there. 
 
Siggie might have been the best NZFC defender going, but best player?  That's a stretch.  Even he'd say so.
 
While the gap in standard is significant I think people wrongly assume that it cannot be bridged.
 
Maybe Corrales is a stretch, I'll grant you, but he does bang in a lot of goals at NZFC level.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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What i'm trying to say is that the gap you are trying to bridge will now become even wider.  With good young players playing in weak local leagues that don't require them to be at the top of their game week in and week out we lose that proffessional approach.  This in turn makes it harder for NZFC coaches to select them over experienced NZFC veterans.  Without this exposure they surely won't step up to the Phoenix and now the NZFC is cut down to two rounds.  Our pathway is awful and needs to be sorted out for our best talent to make it to the Phoenix. 
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Luis Corrales is hardly a local player
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Smithy wrote:
And the moment they move back to Melbourne they're forgotten trash.
 

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Hard News wrote:
He plays locally.
So do Daniel, Gao, Durante...
 
 
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robbwatson wrote:
I'd rather have the right players, or the best players. I'd rather have a winning team than a strictly local team.

Yes, we need to develop NZ's footballing talent. And the Phoenix can play a huge part in that. But  the Phoenix won't be around if they don't get results. 
 
Totally agree. We should get the best we can, no matter where from, and that includes the coach
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auskiwi wrote:
robbwatson wrote:
I'd rather have the right players, or the best players. I'd rather have a winning team than a strictly local team.

Yes, we need to develop NZ's footballing talent. And the Phoenix can play a huge part in that. But  the Phoenix won't be around if they don't get results. 
 
Totally agree. We should get the best we can, no matter where from, and that includes the coach
 
Correct. This was largely the basis of the old NSL Club's recruitment policy as they could not afford to bring in any decent foreigners

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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auskiwi wrote:
robbwatson wrote:
I'd rather have the right players, or the best players. I'd rather have a winning team than a strictly local team.

Yes, we need to develop NZ's footballing talent. And the Phoenix can play a huge part in that. But  the Phoenix won't be around if they don't get results. 
 
Totally agree. We should get the best we can, no matter where from, and that includes the coach
 
I agree too, but I think the mistake made is to suggest that the best we can get MUST come from overseas.
 
Sigmund for example, is the best we have and came from here.  No reason to think others can't also step up.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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The league has done well so far with players that have ventured overseas and since returned (ie Craig Moore, Steve Corica, Danny Allsopp etc) so the sooner the Oceania Football Federation is dispanded and joins the AFC then NZF can get a little money in its coffers and actually encourage players to return not only to the A-League but to the NZFC as well!
 
I'm sure there are a few Kiwis playing (or even not playing) in the Lower Leagues of Europe and the USA that would be better off returning home to play for the Phoenix and in turn the Phoenix would benefit from their experience!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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I agree too, but I think the mistake made is to suggest that the best we can get MUST come from overseas.
 
Sigmund for example, is the best we have and came from here.  No reason to think others can't also step up.
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Agree, the best can come from anywhere.
I'd be up for a player from mongolia, if he can play or a coach from Andorra, as long as he can coach
Who cares what country the players or coach are from, just that they have to be good enough
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Malky wrote:
Hard News wrote:
He plays locally.
So do Daniel, Gao, Durante...
 
 
 
So we have a team full of local players at the Phoenix then?
 
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Smithy2008-10-31 15:37:27

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Smithy wrote:
I heart Pevs massive, so we agree there. 
 
Siggie might have been the best NZFC defender going, but best player?  That's a stretch.  Even he'd say so.
 
While the gap in standard is significant I think people wrongly assume that it cannot be bridged.
 
Maybe Corrales is a stretch, I'll grant you, but he does bang in a lot of goals at NZFC level.
 
Gonna need a couple who can do that for us next season.
 
He's new to me, so how good is this guy? What's his background?
 
 
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A bit of fantasy here:

With teams struggling to cope financially in the NZFC, would the Phoenix be able to step in and replace/be added to existing franchises with a 2nd XI? This may have been discussed elsewhere - but logistics of being involved in two different confederations aside, it would be a great way for the Nix to develop youth and give fringe palyers a run. You could add the proviso that they can't play in the O-league if they win. It also depends on how much it would hit the club/Terry in the pocket.

Alternatively, what about developing a player-sharing/"feeder club" relationship with TW to give players like Costa, Draper etc game time? Given our special situation, an application to FIFA over eligibility might get results.
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Smithy wrote:
Malky wrote:
Hard News wrote:
He plays locally.
So do Daniel, Gao, Durante...
 
 
 
So we have a team full of local players at the Phoenix then?
 
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well, yes if the are living in Wellington
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Smithy wrote:
And the moment they move back to Melbourne they're forgotten trash.


This is really my point, over time we need to stop relying on aussie cast offs to negate the geographical problem that we have. And we should be very sure that someone we bring in is better than someone who we can source locally. Plus that hopefully will lead to some sort of stability in our side.

Normo's coming home

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wolfman, covered extensivly in the NZFC thread. may happen but some issues

Normo's coming home

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C-Diddy wrote:
I'm sure there are a few Kiwis playing (or even not playing) in the Lower Leagues of Europe and the USA that would be better off returning home to play for the Phoenix and in turn the Phoenix would benefit from their experience!
 
Like who?
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e.g. Mully?? doh!

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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This is a local team for local players!

 

ForteanTimes2008-11-02 17:11:08

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You know we belong together...

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