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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smeltz was poor
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Couldnt believe there was no subs til 83 mins.


Totally agreee. Elrich and Lia (both short of game time) were out on their feet after 65 mins. And still they were faster than Aloisi......
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I can't believe ppl are voting for Moss, that was his worst performance of the season. His defence never had any confidence that he would come for the ball. He stayed on his line, he flapped. Poor.
Too many poor performances tonight.
 
Agree mate.  Confidence in your players is a two way street, and a keeper needs to be dominant for his defenders to be strong and thrive.  Sure it wasn't Moss's fault that last goal but with his hesitation throughout the game, our defense can't be all that confident!
 
Think it's time for Cleberson to come back into the middle at the back for O'Dor, get some time to forge a combo with Dodd.  Atleast he is aggresive and doesn't do things in halves.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smeltz was fine. He still gets caught offside, but he worked hard.

The choice of subs was pathetic. Why would you put two strikers down as subs when we only have one on the park?
I'm not that impressed with George, but he's always keen.
Old should always be on the bench. Defenders are the most likely to be injured, and he's flexible enough to be anywhere in defence.

Paston should be the starting keeper.
He can organise the defence, and is more confident with the high ball.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I can't believe ppl are voting for Moss, that was his worst performance of the season. His defence never had any confidence that he would come for the ball. He stayed on his line, he flapped. Poor.
Too many poor performances tonight.


agreed - please let's give Paston a try; there really is more to goalkeeping at that level than being able to make good saves; it should include organising and marshalling the defence.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It's natural that we're all looking for someone to blame after a loss like that. But Moss did keep us in the game with a couple of great one-on-one saves and he could hardly be held responsible for the goals.
 
I agree he is not a commanding presence in the box, and he is certainly weak in the air(way too much punching). Both these factors may be adding to our defence's lack of confidence.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
In a game like that, you need your experience on the bench. Not a blodody 16 year old who has no ALEAGUE experience.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I thought it was a bit weird putting Costa on as well when we needed a goal. I would have thought Ricki would have put brownlie or Covney on the bench and chucked one of them on instead
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In a game like that, you need your experience on the bench. Not a bloody 16 year old who has no ALEAGUE experience.
 
you gotta give these things a try though, look at Robbie Kruse and Michael Zullo for the Roar.  
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Browner_ wrote:
I thought Elrich was head and shoulders the best on the park today.
He had great control and looked to move the ball on quickly, the rest of the team could learn from him.
 
Moss certainly made several great and critical saves, but he certainly flapped a few times in conjunction with that shaky defence.
 
I dunno what game Lochead supporters were on,  but he was right in front of me and I wasnt overimpressed. He was at fault for the first goal - and Moss could have done better as well from the angle I was on.
 
Daniel did some good work linking up with Elrich and Smeltz sometimes, but hes whacking far too long balls behind him, over his head, when he often has no idea where its going - sometimes you need to do that, but it was getting predictable today.
The first goal was Odor's Fault.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Elrich played well for about 60 mins until fatigue set in.....Moss on the other hand gave it everything & performed very well pulling off saves everywhere until the final whistle....if it wasn't for his brilliance in the match we would have been about 4-5 goals down.... well done Glen Moss
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I can't believe ppl are voting for Moss, that was his worst performance of the season. His defence never had any confidence that he would come for the ball. He stayed on his line, he flapped. Poor.
Too many poor performances tonight.
 
I have to agree, fellow punk rocker! I wouldn't put it as his worst perhaps, as there were some timely saves but I still do not think he inspires confidence because of what he may or may not do with the meat and drink aspects of keeping. His punch late in first half when there was nobody for miles around had me in hysterics.
 
If we have got the best keeper in the league, either 1. He's warming the bench and/or 2. the standard of keeping in the A league is dodgy (which I may well have asserted on previous posts).
 
As for the commenter saying he had it covered...pure conjecture...it was miles wide (although the line dancing might have had a contributing factor).
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What, no option to vote for the seagull? Travesty, I says...

I actually voted for Moss. He did flap at a few balls he should have caught easily, but realistically a couple of his 1-on-1 saves kept us in the game. This was perhaps our worst defensive performance of the season, both goals we conceded were the school-boy type stuff, and we always looked like we could completely break down defensively at any moment.
Elrich played OK - he looks class, excellent first touch, and a stunning goal. However, in the first half he was tucking inside too much and not exploiting the acres of space on our right flank which we should have used a lot better. His combination with Plodder in the first half was poor (understandable, given it's the first time they played together) but nevertheless frustrating. He also doesn't look as quick as I remember him from the old NSL days, but I don't know if he's completely lost it, or is still in the process of getting up to full speed.
Smeltz played well, he wins a lot of balls that I always expect defenders to clean up easily, but his complete inability to stay on-side is completely baffling. I also thought Aloisi had a very strong game, always composed under pressure, and if it wasn't for him we would have struggled even more defensively.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I made this since the mods are probably to pissed to make it...
 
make it a sticky..
 
Not adding in subs cause they didnt do alot.. and only one was made.
 
 
Pick wisely.
 
haha how did you know? first good thing you have ever done

Founder

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Dont agree with you on Elrich el grapadura one of the reasons he keep going inside was because when he did go wide and make himself available (which he did a number of times) for some reason our guys on the ball just wernt feeding him.I think once our guys get a bit more used to the lines he runs we will find him becoming even more involved.It was noticable where i was standing as many around me just groaned as on a number of occasions both Elrich and Christie had put themselves in a good position only to watch the ball be wasted elsewhere.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tim Brown showed Aloisi how it's done. had a great game.
Elrich was MOM tho.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
In a game like that, you need your experience on the bench. Not a bloody 16 year old who has no ALEAGUE experience.
 
you gotta give these things a try though, look at Robbie Kruse and Michael Zullo for the Roar.  


that thought went thru my mind too - the two Roar youngsters look so slight on the field they must be hard to take seriously by the opposition - until they score goals. So maybe that was Ricki's thinking.

However, settling for the draw might have been better, especially after the missed penalty and the previous 3-0 loss to CCM.

My vote went to Daniel btw - I can forgive his occasional show boating to see his enthusiasm and thoughtful distribution of the ball when given the chance.

And I've come to the conclusion that Scmeltz seems to operate best as a goal-stealer; given any thinking time in front of of the goal he tends to lose the plot.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
I made this since the mods are probably to pissed to make it...
 
make it a sticky..
 
Not adding in subs cause they didnt do alot.. and only one was made.
 
 
Pick wisely.
 
haha how did you know? first good thing you have ever done
 
times are a changing

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think everyone should realise that even though Elrich played well, he can play much better, he played very well today, but still isnt as fit, another point I would like to comment on, is how come everytime Smeltz gets into a one on one with a defender he doesnt have the ability to take him on and beat him, the more I see Smeltz play, I am convinced that all he does from time to time is finish, I mean that is the job of a striker, and dont get me wrong, he does that well. But I would just like to see him being a bit more creative and have that hunger to take a defender on etc....
 
I think Christie is getting a bit of a hard time, he made a mistake that cost us the game, but up until then, I though he had a fantastic match, along with Moss, Elrich, i though Christie would have been close to Man of the match, up until he made that mistake.
 
The Phoenix are looking like a team that can go places.
 
Give them time and they will grow..........
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
elrich defo man of the match
 
message to scottishbhoy: 3-0 to the new champs!!! theres only 1 nacho novo!!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
phoenix07 wrote:
elrich defo man of the match
 
message to scottishbhoy: 3-0 to the new champs!!! theres only 1 nacho novo!!
 
 
Twas a fluke

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I can't believe ppl are voting for Moss, that was his worst performance of the season. His defence never had any confidence that he would come for the ball. He stayed on his line, he flapped. Poor.
Too many poor performances tonight.


agreed - please let's give Paston a try; there really is more to goalkeeping at that level than being able to make good saves; it should include organising and marshalling the defence.
 
Totally agreed, but than Ive been saying that for weeks now and keep getting shot down.

A dog with a bone :)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ballane wrote:
Dont agree with you on Elrich el grapadura one of the reasons he keep going inside was because when he did go wide and make himself available (which he did a number of times) for some reason our guys on the ball just wernt feeding him.I think once our guys get a bit more used to the lines he runs we will find him becoming even more involved.It was noticable where i was standing as many around me just groaned as on a number of occasions both Elrich and Christie had put themselves in a good position only to watch the ball be wasted elsewhere.


I agree that we failed to get the ball onto the flank as quickly as we should - we were especially guilty of this in the second half when on at least 2 occasions Lochead was all on his own in acres of space on the left, and no-one had the vision to get the ball to him, that was very frustrating.
The reason I pointed out Elrich tucking in in the first half is that for most of the half there was space there - even if Elrich wasn't getting the ball, he needed to use the space to spread the defence and hopefully either create overlaps with Plodder on that side more often than they did, or create defensive gaps in more central positions. I thought we was hungry for the ball (understandable after such a long lay-off) and looked threatening every time he had it, but I thought his positioning in the first half limited our tactical options.
Having said all this, I thought he looked a very classy player, and did, in fact, play very well, although he clearly ran out of puff with about 20 to go. He seems an excellent acquisition overall, and should be one of our leading players for the rest of the season.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I voted for Lia - I continue to be impressed by him.  Lochhead had another decent game, Elrich is very promising, and I thought Daniel was okay too.  Feel most sympathy for Smeltz who had a hard game quite isolated against a good defender in Vidmar. 
Selhurst Park, 25 January 1995
What else could he have done?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Elrich, not just for the goal, but because he has the goal in mind all the time, he is always thinking to shoot or cross unfortunately smeltzy was about three or four mental steps behind elrich and the rest of the team.
Lia impressed aswell shows a good work rate but let him self down on the odd touch, nothing too bad though.
Right back is becoming a huge liability something needs to be done there,
and mossy made some amazing saves unlucky on the last goal, but again if we had put away all those chances where we seem to get bunched and confused in the box and everyone wants someone else to take the shot, we would have won about 3-2
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Elrich, not just for the goal, but because he has the goal in mind all the time, he is always thinking to shoot or cross unfortunately smeltzy was about three or four mental steps behind elrich and the rest of the team.
 
its always handy to have ssomeone who just has a pop sometimes and gets it on target unlike ferrante a lot of the a league clubs are to tentative to have a shot around or inside the box
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Can anyone tell me if they spotted Aloisi at the game. I'm not talking about John!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Thought Aloisi was put to shame by Tim Brown. Someone even gave Aloisi a vote for MOM. His mum must be on the forum...
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Elrich, not just for the goal, but because he has the goal in mind all the time, he is always thinking to shoot or cross unfortunately smeltzy was about three or four mental steps behind elrich and the rest of the team.
 
I agree with the Dog here... Plus Elrich had some superb touches, through passes et. The rest of the team just couldn't keep up or anticipate what he was about to do. I'd love him to develop an understanding with Felipe...it could be magic.
 
Daniel was great and battled all day but just couldn't finish or connect with anyone. Smeltz play well technically but did not combine well with the rest of the team. Dodd was his usual solid self.
 
The team has got loads of good players now, they just need to combine now and the results should come.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'd say Aloisi does a ton of hidden defence work at the back but tim brown was good in the midfield.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tough this week... D'Or? Christie? Thought I'd settle for Elrich...
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
PompeyPom wrote:
Can anyone tell me if they spotted Aloisi at the game. I'm not talking about John!
 
Are you serious.
 
I thought Aloisi was superb, some quality balls especially a couple of those "outside of the right boot" down the line. He plays simple clever passes.
 
It was because of him that Tim Brown could roam.
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Aloisi gave away foul after foul. he was bloody lucky not to be carded again. Johnson next week please. Oi Oi Edgecumbe2007-10-23 22:21:18

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

by the sounds of it, people either love or hate Aloisi

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