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MOM for Roar game

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

I would hope Reddy has a case to answer for after the goal, where he pretty much flattened someone (I think George) as he went to get the ball.


When he flattened George there was nothing in that. He stood up and started bellowing at his defence and it looked like George ran into him. If I was a ref I wouldn't give a yellow for that.


It looked quite aggressive to me. Which may have had something to do with the bellowing at the defense.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I gave my vote to Johnno. Its soul destroying chasing midfielders all game and he did right to the end. Funny how he was the only player anywhere near getting to the two who got thru, played onside by Lockhead, for that second goal.
Yeh Ferrante and Smeltz the only other two who were at their best.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

I would hope Reddy has a case to answer for after the goal, where he pretty much flattened someone (I think George) as he went to get the ball.


When he flattened George there was nothing in that. He stood up and started bellowing at his defence and it looked like George ran into him. If I was a ref I wouldn't give a yellow for that.



It looked to me like Reddy decided to smack into George coz he failed to keep a clean sheet, if it 'd been Jens Lehman it would have been a well deserved booking - Reddy showed all the self control of a two year old!

It didn't mater much in the context of this game, bur i hope he has another wee tanty and gets booked or sent off next time we play them
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i think the size difference in that clash with George makes it looks worse...it also appeared asthough he threw in some acting skills to try and milk what some may have given a card for...


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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Micheal F only by default!!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
michael F cause he got a shot on goal! wasnt a bad effort either, albeit at the keeper
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah Ferrante gets my vote by far, it must be hard creating scoring opportunities in a team full of bystandres. I dont think the likes of Daniel or Felipe or Elrich for that matter would have made a difference in that game. Still think Phoenix have the worst defence in the league and conceiving goals early week after week puts pressure on your creative and attacking players such as Ferrante, Daniel etc.....   
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
gings wrote:
i think the size difference in that clash with George makes it looks worse...it also appeared asthough he threw in some acting skills to try and milk what some may have given a card for...



you are probably right about the size thing, if it had been a 'neutral' game it might have been slightly comical

I don't think George tried to milk it (though I'm hardly unbiased), and i think Reddy lost control for a second, a weakness in any player

i'd still be happy to see Reddy cop a card of either colour next time we play them
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
KTBW wrote:
Shocking performance. Ferrante was the only thing remotely half decent. Don't get why everyone is voting for George, he's  joke.
 
I haven't voted this week because the performance was piss poor.
 
As for the George thing, I thought he looked better once Coveny went off and he was playing up front in his natural position rather than as a replacement for Felipe.
 
End of the day, you can't win games without width - and Nix had none.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I disagree about Elrich and Daniel not making a difference. the Phoenix have played best, e.g. against Perth and the two goals against Adalaide when they have got the ball wide through Daniel. Elrich is likely to bring a similar dimension on the right hand side.

The defence isn't too flash however. I think the back four are individualy pretty good but still have to sort out there communication they seem to be letting the oposition run at them through the middle a bit too much. I think the classical 4-4-2 will work the best for the style of play and players.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I am voting for Dodd again this week as he was solid again. Gave Qld some of their own medicine with some physical stuff. Thought Aloisi was poor. No one crated in the midfield - and I think they should give Elrich a crack next week.

We didnt play as badly as I first thought, just didnt have that Daniel spark that we have had in other games.

Founder

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I can't vote for anyone either: no one was terrible, no one impressed. Did any of the players or coaching staff mention the heat? Because that seemed to play a part in our overall lethargy. Also it was frustrating to see players out wide being ignored time after time, since wing play has been a strength for us so far.
Unfair to say George was a joke. He chased hard and had a few nice touches but the forward combinations were all out of kilter without D and F.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
StopOut wrote:
I can't vote for anyone either: no one was terrible, no one impressed. Did any of the players or coaching staff mention the heat? Because that seemed to play a part in our overall lethargy.


Yeah, I am really interested to know how hot it was - some of our lads looked like they had very little to give pretty early on. There was a shot of Smeltzy in the second half where his face looked like a lobster and his heart was desperatly trying to leave his chest cavity...
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yes the question of the heat is an interesting one as i believe our fitness was up to scratch, and not one of the reasons we didnt play so well. it just seemed as if the team had something else on thier minds.
and what was the deal with the ref leting the game be stopped for cramps within the roar camp??
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
george was good when he got the ball! didnt get enuf tho
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
tigers wrote:
I don't think George tried to milk it (though I'm hardly unbiased), and i think Reddy lost control for a second, a weakness in any player

i'd still be happy to see Reddy cop a card of either colour next time we play them


thats just the way it looked to me after seeing it, i could be (i hope i am) wrong about him trying to milk it...

i think we would all be happy to see Reddy get a card...preferibly a red one


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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Can I cast three votes for the pie-loving, away-fan loving, cop-loving fat muppet 'security' guard?











Surge!
E + R + O

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Felipe for not taking a backwards step against those thugs and going back for more 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I thought Christie and Lochhead had poor games by their standards.  Aloisi, Johnson, and Ferrante were probably too similar in the midfield.  Our first touch let us down a lot, we often had good quick distribution from the back but our players who picked up the ball could not seemingly control it first time and then lay it off or run with it, instead they had to recollect from their heavy first touch and then look to distribute.  This had the effect of slowly the pace of our attacks.  George and Smeltz both finished strongly, although I think the latter looked a tad overheated.
 
Hopefully this is our poor game out of the way and we can refocus for Newcastle.  A good result there and we will move above them in the table.
 
Selhurst Park, 25 January 1995
What else could he have done?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Felipe - he only played a few minutes but was clearly the stand out, and no one else stepped up during the rest of the game. If his hammy hadn't gone when it did he would have easily latched on to that thru ball and create a great scoring chance.



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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
has anyone mentioned O'Dor coming off injured in the 40th minute and not being replaced in the half? I think Ricki stuffed up there

Founder

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It didn't seem that hot on the day to me (I was there, wrote a separate msg on the forum about it)
 
Sure, it was warmer than Wellington, but not so much that you'd be sweating or dehydrated.
 
I couldn't vote for anyone either, disappointing all round.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I voted for Smeltz, mainly cos he got the goal.  Everyone else was pretty forgetable.  When is Ferrante going to sit on the beanch.  Christ put the man in defence at least we know he wont get an own goal.  He can't hit anything with a net behind it
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ferrante came off the bench against Perth and looked pretty decent, he also did some good stuff last week when he came in to replace Daniel who was suspended.

It's not like he is employed to score goals so you can't punish him when he fails to.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
he shouldnt be in the forward midefield position if he cant bulge the onion bag (oops)

Founder

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
It's not like he is employed to score goals so you can't punish him when he fails to.



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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If he creates 10 goals this season for others and continues to miss he will have done the job he is employed for.  Not that tricky is it ?

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
Ferrante came off the bench against Perth and looked pretty decent, he also did some good stuff last week when he came in to replace Daniel who was suspended.It's not like he is employed to score goals so you can't punish him when he fails to.


Sorry HN, but I thought they were all employed with that in mind. If not him, then who has it in their contracts??

I like Ferrante as a player, think he is gutsy and has shown some good touch, 5 assists each for Smeltz, Daniel, Coveny and Felipe would be fine with me
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Meh, semantics.

Hard News wrote:
It's not like he is just employed to score goals so you can't punish him when he fails to.



That better ?

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
If he creates 10 goals this season for others and continues to miss he will have done the job he is employed for.  Not that tricky is it ?


Good teams have goals scored from across the park. I don't think it is only the strikers' job to score goals.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yep, can live with that
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Arsenal wrote:
Hard News wrote:
If he creates 10 goals this season for others and continues to miss he will have done the job he is employed for.  Not that tricky is it ?


Good teams have goals scored from across the park. I don't think it is only the strikers' job to score goals.


"It's not like he is just employed to score goals so you can't punish him when he fails to."


a.haak

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

setting up a goal = a goal
scoring a goal = a goal

there's no difference

no one's complaining when a striker fails to set up a goal by stuffing up a pass, but the end result is the same
Cosimo2007-10-09 22:12:24
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Cosimo wrote:

setting up a goal = a goal
scoring a goal = a goal

there's no difference

no one's complaining when a striker fails to set up a goal by stuffing up a pass, but the end result is the same
 
Disagree...
 
Ferrante breaks down the middle of the pitch, squares to Smeltz who smacks the ball into the net - goal.
 
Smeltz breaks down the middle of the pitch, squares to Ferrante who smacks the ball over the bar - no goal.
 
A professional player needs to be able to score when given the opportunity.  The only difference between a striker and a midfielder is that a midfielder won't (shouldn't) get as many chances.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Benjamin wrote:
Cosimo wrote:
setting up a goal = a goalscoring a goal = a goalthere's no differenceno one's complaining when a striker fails to set up a goal by stuffing up a pass, but the end result is the same

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Ferrante breaks down the middle of the pitch, squares to�Smeltz who smacks the ball into the net -�goal.

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Smeltz breaks down the middle of the pitch, squares to Ferrante who smacks the ball over the bar - no goal.

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A professional player needs to be able to score when given the opportunity.� The only difference between a striker and a midfielder is that a midfielder won't (shouldn't) get as many chances.


So you're saying that in your given situations, Ferrante always misses and Smeltz alsways scores? I find that hard to believe. Smeltz has had a number of really bad misses this season (header against Melbourne, 1-on-1 against Sydney, 2 excellent chances against Perth), but no-one dwells on them because he has also scored a few. Ferrante has only really had 2 excellent chances to score so far(against Newcastle and Perth) and the first one he stuffed up badly and the second he was unlucky with. So you could argue that Smeltz has been stuffing up more in front of goal than Ferrante has...

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

yeah Smeltz has 4 (i think...) goals out of many more attempts. There are players that hardly ever score yet they play in the EPL or La Liga or whatever and are an integral part of the team
Cosimo2007-10-10 18:49:46
I like tautologies because I like them.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

ok - so our midfielders dont need to be able to shoot now- I hope Smeltz storms the golden boot, otherwise we are screwed.

 

Founder

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The Retro Rickis lost in a nail biter. We were shooting like Ferrante tonight

Founder

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:

The Retro Rickis lost in a nail biter. We were shooting like Ferrante tonight

 
What league/game is this???
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