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Moss' superman impressions

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Moss' superman impressions
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Educate me, goalkeepers out there. Am I misguided in thinking Moss' double handed technique is cumbersome, slow and generally weird?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
As per previous threads you are not allowed to say anything bad about Moss.
 
The kiddies are going to call you names now.

A dog with a bone :)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It is a strange technique but not the two handed bit. The fact he dives facing down is a bit wierd. As a keeper myself I was always taught to dive on my side looking at the ball. It allows two hands to save with that can move in a verticle plane.

Its no longer a problem.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ha!
 
I am in no position to criticise any Phoenix tem member, am more interestd in why he might have chosen that technique!I just have a nagging feeling that the two arm approach reduces the amount of leverage that a free arm might provide.
 
My impression about A league goalkeeping generally is that it is dodgy. Any  thoughts?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

You're much safer trying to save the ball using both hands rather than just one. Because if you punch or parry it with both hands you get more power behind it to clear it to safety, and obviously it's much easier to catch it with both hands.

Yes i am a keeper.

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yes it is strange, and as hes let the most goals through in the whole comp it could be said it is a 'bad' kind of strange. Maybe there's a secret behind why he does it that we dont see, who knows.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Granted, but the 4 or 5 instances I am thinking of were not catches they were the parry varieties. Is 2 hands better than one if 2 hands means less chance of getting to the ball?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
No. Plain and simple. You must be able to get to the ball first before thinking about how you will save it.

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yup, my point exactly.
 
On another point, I don't for a moment believe keepers think how they will save it. Expertise requires intuition. Think about riding a bike. 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Depends what kind of shot/cross you are dealing with. Point blank you don't think you just react, but you do think about say long range shots or free kicks about whether to catch or parry it. Same goes for crosses and corners you think about whether you will catch it or punch it or not even get involved at all.

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Harry my friend, I'm not convinced that supporting a team that has Paul Robinson between the sticks greatly enhances your credibility as a goal keeping analyst  
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As a keeper myself, I can respond. If the ball is within reach, you lead with two hands. That way you get more behind it. If the ball is not within easy reach, you should lead with one hand as you will be able to reach more. It's a judgement call.
 
For the first goal, Moss should have lead with his top hand as his ability to reach the height was in question. It would have allowed him to stretch further and have a batter chance of reaching the ball. I think he was taken by surprise by the effort and didn't expect it to come in like it did.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SiNZ wrote:
As a keeper myself, I can respond. If the ball is within reach, you lead with two hands. That way you get more behind it. If the ball is not within easy reach, you should lead with one hand as you will be able to reach more. It's a judgement call.
 
For the first goal, Moss should have lead with his top hand as his ability to reach the height was in question. It would have allowed him to stretch further and have a batter chance of reaching the ball. I think he was taken by surprise by the effort and didn't expect it to come in like it did.
 
Agree poor Mosy never expected a direct missle to be delivered at such speed. If you look at the slow mow replay the ball had already sneaked in under the bar before the leap was completed. I hate to admit it great timing on the ball!!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I don't see it as being so different from other goalies. I guess it's sort of 'characteristic of Mossy, but it seems to be working well, most of the times anyway.
 
 

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
doesn't really seem that bad to me, that save in the second half when Marcinho hit that bullet was brilliant.

and nightz. surely its time to get over it and let the damn thing rest, you tried to prove something with statistics, which was not a good idea, end of story.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I don't see it as being so different from other goalies. I guess it's sort of 'characteristic of Mossy, but it seems to be working well, most of the times anyway.
 
 


but he's conceded the most goals??
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The most goals means nothing.  As the league's leading scorers it might just be as simple as the fact that we go forward more than other sides and get caught on the break easily... stats don't necessarily reveal the whole truth.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ooh look.  Keepers talking about keepers.  I've always thought keepers were strange.  You know, like that sorta kid you used to laugh at.  That's how they ended up in that place.  The odd one.  This thread in the forum should be on some sorta devo website.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
My impression about A league goalkeeping generally is that it is dodgy. Any  thoughts?


Not really. The worst was Bajic for Adelaide but he was relegated to the bench. Vukovic, Theoklitos, Bolton and to a lesser extent Covic are all good keepers. We have Moss and Paston who are both class as well.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Having never conceeded a goal in my entire career (all 45 minutes) as a goalkeeper I can, of course, talk with great confidence on this topic. It's clear that Moss is suspect in the air, especially to the cross and the high ball into the box, tending to punch/flap at the ball. This has put us under pressure before and will continue to do so unfortunately.
Having said that, he does have great reactions and has made some terrific saves. Most goals against us have resulted from disorganised defence and a few wonder strikes. At first I thought he could have done better with that Zullo goal too, but on looking at the replay he didn't have a hope, whether one or two-handed.
 
 
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Impressions? Superman pretends to be Moss, not the other way around!

That being said, a two hand stance increases the shot stopping area, and allows him to quickly move an arm to either side should he misjudge.

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