Educate me, goalkeepers out there. Am I misguided in thinking Moss'
double handed technique is cumbersome, slow and generally weird?
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As per previous threads you are not allowed to say anything
bad about Moss.
The kiddies are going to call you names now. 

A dog with a bone :)
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It is a strange technique but not the two handed bit. The fact he
dives facing down is a bit wierd. As a keeper myself I was always
taught to dive on my side looking at the ball. It allows two hands
to save with that can move in a verticle plane.
Its no longer a problem.
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Ha!
I am in no position to criticise any Phoenix tem member, am
more interestd in why he might have chosen that technique!I just
have a nagging feeling that the two arm approach reduces the
amount of leverage that a free arm might provide.
My impression about A league goalkeeping generally is that it
is dodgy. Any thoughts?
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You're much safer trying to save the ball using both hands rather than just one. Because if you punch or parry it with both hands you get more power behind it to clear it to safety, and obviously it's much easier to catch it with both hands.
Yes i am a keeper.
Three for me, and two for them.
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yes it is strange, and as hes let the most goals through in the
whole comp it could be said it is a 'bad' kind of strange. Maybe
there's a secret behind why he does it that we dont see, who knows.
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Granted, but the 4 or 5 instances I am thinking of were not catches
they were the parry varieties. Is 2 hands better than one if 2
hands means less chance of getting to the ball?
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No. Plain and simple. You must be able to get to the ball first
before thinking about how you will save it.
Three for me, and two for them.
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Yup, my point exactly.
On another point, I don't for a moment believe keepers
think how they will save it. Expertise requires intuition. Think
about riding a bike.
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Depends what kind of shot/cross you are dealing with. Point blank
you don't think you just react, but you do think about say long
range shots or free kicks about whether to catch or parry it. Same
goes for crosses and corners you think about whether you will catch
it or punch it or not even get involved at all.
Three for me, and two for them.
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Harry my friend, I'm not convinced that supporting a team that has
Paul Robinson between the sticks greatly enhances your credibility
as a goal keeping analyst
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As a keeper myself, I can respond. If the ball is within reach, you
lead with two hands. That way you get more behind it. If the ball
is not within easy reach, you should lead with one hand as you will
be able to reach more. It's a judgement call.
For the first goal, Moss should have lead with his top hand as
his ability to reach the height was in question. It would have
allowed him to stretch further and have a batter chance of reaching
the ball. I think he was taken by surprise by the effort and didn't
expect it to come in like it did.
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As a keeper myself, I can respond. If the ball is within reach, you
lead with two hands. That way you get more behind it. If the ball
is not within easy reach, you should lead with one hand as you will
be able to reach more. It's a judgement call.
For the first goal, Moss should have lead with his top hand as
his ability to reach the height was in question. It would have
allowed him to stretch further and have a batter chance of reaching
the ball. I think he was taken by surprise by the effort and didn't
expect it to come in like it did.
Agree poor Mosy never expected a direct missle to be delivered
at such speed. If you look at the slow mow replay the ball had
already sneaked in under the bar before the leap was completed. I
hate to admit it great timing on the ball!!
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I don't see it as being so different from other goalies. I guess
it's sort of 'characteristic of Mossy, but it seems to be working
well, most of the times anyway.
VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life
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doesn't really seem that bad to me, that save in the second half
when Marcinho hit that bullet was brilliant.
and nightz. surely its time to get over it and let the damn thing rest, you tried to prove something with statistics, which was not a good idea, end of story.
and nightz. surely its time to get over it and let the damn thing rest, you tried to prove something with statistics, which was not a good idea, end of story.
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I don't see it as being so different from other goalies. I guess
it's sort of 'characteristic of Mossy, but it seems to be working
well, most of the times anyway.
but he's conceded the most goals??
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The most goals means nothing. As the league's leading scorers
it might just be as simple as the fact that we go forward more than
other sides and get caught on the break easily... stats don't
necessarily reveal the whole truth.
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Ooh look. Keepers talking about keepers. I've always
thought keepers were strange. You know, like that sorta kid
you used to laugh at. That's how they ended up in that
place. The odd one. This thread in the forum should be
on some sorta devo website.
I let my guitar speak for me
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My impression about A league goalkeeping generally is that it
is dodgy. Any thoughts?
Not really. The worst was Bajic for Adelaide but he was relegated to the bench. Vukovic, Theoklitos, Bolton and to a lesser extent Covic are all good keepers. We have Moss and Paston who are both class as well.
valeo2007-10-07 00:38:59
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Having never conceeded a goal in my entire career (all 45 minutes)
as a goalkeeper I can, of course, talk with great confidence on
this topic. It's clear that Moss is suspect in the air,
especially to the cross and the high ball into the box, tending to
punch/flap at the ball. This has put us under pressure before and
will continue to do so unfortunately.
Having said that, he does have great reactions and has made
some terrific saves. Most goals against us have resulted from
disorganised defence and a few wonder strikes. At first I
thought he could have done better with that Zullo goal too, but on
looking at the replay he didn't have a hope, whether one or
two-handed.
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Impressions? Superman pretends to be Moss, not the other
way around! 
That being said, a two hand stance increases the shot stopping area, and allows him to quickly move an arm to either side should he misjudge.
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