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MOTM vs Adelaide

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
MOTM vs Adelaide
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Man of the match- Who's your poison?

stickie me please
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Daniel for me.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Felipe's workrate tonight was massive. I've never seen him more determined both in attack and defence. OK, not everything he tried worked out but he ran himself into the ground for the team. A+
 
I'm slightly worried about Elrich though. Is he not comfortable playing that wide role? This week and last week he seems content to mostly whack in oblique crosses instead of running the defender right to the byline and putting in a killer cross. We're not seeing the best of him yet.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Felipe for me.  That mans feet are amazing.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Two goals from Daniel gets my vote - shame only one of them counted.

Thought Adelaide's MOTM was probably their goalie - cut out a lot of our set pieces. Either him or the ref.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Felipe?  Don't make me laugh.  It looks pretty but lacks substance.  He isn't hurting opposition defences the way he should be.  Happy to be shot down but I would leave him out next week and bring Covs back. 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I went for Daniel. Thought Felipe was OK but hopefully he'll pack those stupid f**king stepovers in. 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jose's Dog wrote:
Felipe?� Don't make me laugh.� It looks pretty but lacks substance.� He isn't hurting opposition defences the way he should be.� Happy to be shot down but I would leave him out next week and bring Covs back.�

are u a clown?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i picked daniel,  felipe is not a striker he's an attacking midfielder who let smeltz down a lot in the first half by tracking back into the midfield to much we need cov's and smeltz up front and felipe  back in the midfield running amok  although he was damn unlucky not to be given a penalty in the second half, that ref was unbelievable !
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Jose's Dog wrote:
Felipe?  Don't make me laugh.  It looks pretty but lacks substance.  He isn't hurting opposition defences the way he should be.  Happy to be shot down but I would leave him out next week and bring Covs back. 


i'd rather see a player who invariably draws two defenders and can make things happen - the way the strikers finished isn't felipe's fault

covs was great for the first 10 he was on, certainly harried the defence , but having covs in the middle from the start is surely going to invite even more diagonal balls into the box from elrich ,- which appear not to work

when elrich or someone down the right got past the full back and pulled a ball back into the box (mid second half) we looked a completely different proposition in terms of creating a finishable chance


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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Can I give Elrich a negative vote ?

Bugger dropping Felipe...


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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
as i said earlier on a different thread, felipe for me, he wanted to make things happen, worked his arse off, and as noted by many - he brings the crowd to its feet (which is some achievement in our first year of educating Wellington in the wonderful art of football support)

any other team in the A-league would have him in a flash - let's hope ricki gets him signed for next season and beyond

the good thing is he might be too stuffd to turn it on tonight for a world-wide audience (which indicates to me he is thinking about the club, ahead of his own ego/career) and which means he might not get 'stolen' from us
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Daniel for the step-overs.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Felipe. Loving him at the moment. He may not be finishing - but the way he takes the complete piss is worth the entry fee alone

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
surely last night answers the question that someone posed in the 'anti'-brazilian thread from last week


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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
both the brazilians were brilliant, but Felipe constantly taking the piss gets my vote 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Im felipe too. workrate immense. go to guy. anything creative we did came through him. united had 11 men behind half the game and his unbelievable feet still managed to create. withouth him we would have been limited to lumping the ball into the box from distance. yes, he makes the odd mistake but that's because he is at the heart of everything. some of his touches and his feet were off this planet.
 
I always struggle to stomach the bagging of players who are taking responsibility and trying to make things happen. too easy to pass the ball sideways, backwards and let somebody else try and create.
 
Daniel good too. if covs had knocked in his primo cross daniel might have pinched mom from felipe. thought smeltz was possibly our best in the first half, but quiet second. covs made good impact - wish he'd scored though!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yes, Daniels the man for me!
Great work rate on attack and defense. Closely followed by Felipe.....loved those touches. Still think he should be in the pocket behind two strikers.

Those two are worth the price of admission just for entertainment value. Does that plonker who bagged Felipe want him dropped?.....and replaced by who?.....Christie!
Hope Rickie recruits an out and out stricker next year. Someone with real pace.

I think Smeltz is OK but other teams now know that because of his lack of pace if you keep a defender between him and the goal he will never go around them. Probably why he has been less effective in the second half of the comp.
There were so many crosses coming into the box last night....a top striker could have had a hat trick!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Elrich needs to do more. The most frustrating thing is not seeing him want to have a run at defenders, but to throw over usually inaccurate crosses that are pretty easily cut out by an organised defence. So that component of getting in behind the defender and whipping over a ball from the goal that is coming back toward your incoming players, is missing. How sad. I expected more from 'Mr Marquee.' He looks out of shape.
 
I still don't quite know how Adelaide scored that 2nd goal. Can anyone help me figure it out?
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pao1908 wrote:
 
I still don't quite know how Adelaide scored that 2nd goal. Can anyone help me figure it out?
 
Architect = Nathan Burns - lovely run and pass to Agostino.  Beautiful layoff by Agostino (their man of the match BTW) and untracked run by Pantelis who just shaded Dodd for pace to poke it under Moss.  If you look back 30 seconds, it's a great run by Pantelis - he was in the centre circle and was the one who actually gave the ball to Burns; he then continues his run and is rewarded.
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Baiter wrote:
Can I give Elrich a negative vote ?

Bugger dropping Felipe...


Me too for wanting to be able to give a negative vote to Elrich - I thought he was known for speed, and therefore I've been patiently waiting for him to go past the left full back and  cross with his right foot from near the goalline. Instead he just keeps on cutting back onto his left foot level with the front edge of the penalty area, and crosses the ball swerving  away from our attackers into the goalkeeper's hands. I'm now bored of waiting - unfit or not, time for him to start delivering! Get in the gym!

Daniel was MOM for me, but I was very very disappointed overall. Most of the players seemed strangely sluggish for a lot of the time compared to other recent games - my wife suggested it looked like a lot of the players were on drugs!!  If I could have voted for the fans as MOM I would - thought we did a great job last night!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Daniel obviously. What did Christie Do to get a yellow? He didn't play.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Daniel obviously. What did Christie Do to get a yellow? He didn't play.


he got a yellow in the dying minutes of the game - looked like he was mouthing off at the ref or his assistant from the sideline. (I assume as Christie was a named substitute he is considered a player).
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Once AGAIN!!! Tim Brown done absolutely nothing, hes not up to it!! notice when he went off things got better, he lacks the X Factor, and hes not creative!!!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Horus wrote:
Once AGAIN!!! Tim Brown done absolutely nothing, hes not up to it!! notice when he went off things got better, he lacks the X Factor, and hes not creative!!!
 
i thought he was quiet when I was at the game, but after I watched it on replay -he was actually getting amongst it a lot

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yea like when he lost the ball that led to there first goal but then i thought he put in a solid performance.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Moss Because He Gave Me His Right Glove!!!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jose's Dog wrote:
Felipe?  Don't make me laugh.  It looks pretty but lacks substance.  He isn't hurting opposition defences the way he should be.  Happy to be shot down but I would leave him out next week and bring Covs back. 
 
Agreed, he has shown no quality at all recently, cant believe his support on this forum.
 
Need covs up with smeltz. Elrich needs to deliver a little later into the box, and can a brazillian or elrich please pick out a striker with a cross (like bertos in nz game) so I can finally agree they have some ability.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The Brazilians all the way they looked great I think Daniel was just a bit better.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Horus wrote:
Once AGAIN!!! Tim Brown done absolutely nothing, hes not up to it!! notice when he went off things got better, he lacks the X Factor, and hes not creative!!!


most teams in the world start the match with at least one ball winner in midfield,

Tim Brown does as good a job as either Aloisi or Johnson in covering, nipping in, letting it go that's his job

a job that doesn't get noticed - unless you are watching that player deliberately

in terms of creativity - for me his asset his ability to put the ball in the path of a player with a first-time touch - which can be as  creative as a jinking run, or a 40 yard diagonal ball (it just doesn't get noticed, as easily)
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
  Definatly Ferrante

WHat a killer of a game and great to see so many people

I NO I AM IM SURE I AM IM PHOENIX TILL I DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HK_Keeper2007-12-02 17:43:34
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Covs for me, his cameo was excellent, they didn't know how to handle him.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The 'Trio From Rio' for me: Daniel, Felipe and Ferrante (Well...... Melbourne... but that's close enough!)
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Felipe and Daniel for me too. Once Smeltz can get the finishing right we on for a big game with alot of goals.
They both take the piss and that is when things happen. They both draw players to them and create chances that somtimes go begging but they are being created.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Both Brazilians were very good, but I thought Daniel just shaded it.
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pao1908 wrote:
Elrich needs to do more. The most frustrating thing is not seeing him want to have a run at defenders, but to throw over usually inaccurate crosses that are pretty easily cut out by an organised defence. So that component of getting in behind the defender and whipping over a ball from the goal that is coming back toward your incoming players, is missing. How sad. I expected more from 'Mr Marquee.' He looks out of shape.
 
I still don't quite know how Adelaide scored that 2nd goal. Can anyone help me figure it out?
 
All to dam slow in  closing attackers down - gave the the striker way to much time when all that was needed was a nice tough tackle, even taking a yellow card - eg. as they tackle us in the last 7 minutes - are we too soft !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ChopperHarris2007-12-03 11:39:59
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Felipe was a magician at times so motm for me. The brazilian piss taking flair is sometims unnecessary but is so good to watch and you dont see it often. If you dont win at least you get some of that class.
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fevrpitch wrote:
Jose's Dog wrote:
Felipe?  Don't make me laugh.  It looks pretty but lacks substance.  He isn't hurting opposition defences the way he should be.  Happy to be shot down but I would leave him out next week and bring Covs back. 
 
Agreed, he has shown no quality at all recently, cant believe his support on this forum.
 
Need covs up with smeltz. Elrich needs to deliver a little later into the box, and can a brazillian or elrich please pick out a striker with a cross (like bertos in nz game) so I can finally agree they have some ability.
 
umm what are you on about? how badly has smeltz hurt the opposition as of late? unless the goal is laid on a plate for him he can't finish his own lunch. his first touch is shocking too. so frustrating to watch.
 
felipe at least is an entertainer and is a joy to watch, hence why he gets a lot of support. along with the fact a lot of his touches are good, positive ones. replacing him with coveny would be a negative move imo, id drop smeltz for coveny.
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Architect = Nathan Burns - lovely run and pass to Agostino.  Beautiful layoff by Agostino (their man of the match BTW) and untracked run by Pantelis who just shaded Dodd for pace to poke it under Moss.  If you look back 30 seconds, it's a great run by Pantelis - he was in the centre circle and was the one who actually gave the ball to Burns; he then continues his run and is rewarded.
 
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Nice to see some good analysis.  Our defence does seem to struggle against forwards with pace and technique, who can vary their play, doesn't it. 
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