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Hail ___ the Chief - Giancarlo Italiano

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4 months ago
When I played Central League (about 100 years ago) as a GK, there was no holding and when going for the high ball I was encouraged to go through any attacker between me and the ball. GK were (possibly) over protected in those days, we got away with murder really.
Jessie Merino
FU BLU
 Will this new standard for contesting the ball be applied evenly across the competition? 

There are standards ?

When I played Central League (about a hundred years ago), I was instructed to mark opposition strikers at corners by standing on their feet. Seemed to work.
Same as it ever was.
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4 months ago · edited 4 months ago · History
I wonder how chiefy feels about this run of home games - something he was very vocal about Auckland's draw last season.
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Endorsed by anaveragestem, Oi Oi Edgecumbe, PROAK

4 months ago
chopah
I wonder how chiefy feels about this run of home games - something he was very vocal about Auckland's draw last season.
Really 2 in a row then 1 in the next five nothing better than  what Auckland had or has even had this year

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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4 months ago · edited 4 months ago · History
Clogged with Italiano vs Griffiths chat? This is the Italiano thread!
mjp2
For that pic of the lead up to the first goal someone posted above, I hadn't realised how Edwards had opened up play for AFC with the run back he was making, putting AFC players onside.  It looks like he'd have been better helping out challenging the man with the ball and keeping all the AFC pass options off side.

I thought that despite the loss, the pens and the red we were far more competitive this match than the last couple. And, as others have said, stuck at it well.  I'm far happier with our play (notable exception being the turgid Macarthur game) than last season. And I think this high line will improve. Edwards second game in the system and he got caught out. Others are still adjusting also. 

Hopefully we continue to get better. Jame's red and Hughes' injury won't help. Mostly seasons good or bad fortune with injuries is a big factor.

(And, again, we've had a thread clogged with Griffiths vs Chief when I'd say primarily injuries - and squad balance - was the problem last year)
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4 months ago
ballane
chopah
I wonder how chiefy feels about this run of home games - something he was very vocal about Auckland's draw last season.
Really 2 in a row then 1 in the next five nothing better than  what Auckland had or has even had this year


3 in a row before the weekend just gone. 6 matches in a row without leaving NZ.

Three for me, and two for them.

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4 months ago
Buffon II
ballane
chopah
I wonder how chiefy feels about this run of home games - something he was very vocal about Auckland's draw last season.
Really 2 in a row then 1 in the next five nothing better than  what Auckland had or has even had this year


3 in a row before the weekend just gone. 6 matches in a row without leaving NZ.
LMAO Have no idea WTF i was looking at. 🫣

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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4 months ago
chopah
I wonder how chiefy feels about this run of home games - something he was very vocal about Auckland's draw last season.

I'm sure he would have been stoked to have read that at the start of the season, just as Corica and co were when they saw their schedule last season.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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4 months ago · edited 4 months ago · History
He really needs to get a victory in one of the next two home games to maintain touching distance to the top six and two wins to give it a chance of making it.

Because thereafter things are going to get very tricky on the road outside NZ.

Auckland will rise once more

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4 months ago
100%, just heard Eze on the radio saying exactly that, next two games are must wins if we want to be anywhere other than mid to bottom of the table.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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4 months ago
theprof
chopah
I wonder how chiefy feels about this run of home games - something he was very vocal about Auckland's draw last season.

I'm sure he would have been stoked to have read that at the start of the season, just as Corica and co were when they saw their schedule last season.

exactly so makes what he said last year look a bit silly doesn't it.
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4 months ago
theprof
100%, just heard Eze on the radio saying exactly that, next two games are must wins if we want to be anywhere other than mid to bottom of the table.
 What's happening if we lose one of the games? I bet on nothing.
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4 months ago
theprof
100%, just heard Eze on the radio saying exactly that, next two games are must wins if we want to be anywhere other than mid to bottom of the table.

He was also (as was Oluwayemi) on the TVNZ sports bulleting in the 6pm news couple of days ago - separately but in the same segment.
Shame that TVNZ put together our 2024/25 highlights package as a background to the story.  Did not look great TBH.   But both Oluwayemi and Eze were in fighting spirit, Eze saying game against the Jets is a must win, no ifs and buts.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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4 months ago
Not really, different seasons different scenarios. Italiano was simply pointing out that AFC had all the advantages of not having to travel to Aus for a extended period, which is something the Nix never had! 
And the only reason its occurred now is due to one team pulling out late and the women's Asian champs in Aus.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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4 months ago
theprof
Not really, different seasons different scenarios. Italiano was simply pointing out that AFC had all the advantages of not having to travel to Aus for a extended period, which is something the Nix never had! 
And the only reason its occurred now is due to one team pulling out late and the women's Asian champs in Aus.

yeah ok - I think he said what kind of competition allows this many home games in a row - well he has his answer, but it doesn't seem to be a problem anymore, no-one from Auckland FC coaching staff is bringing it up.  
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4 months ago · edited 4 months ago · History
once again the context here is key!
the reason most clubs this season has a run of home games is down to one club pulling out of the comp - again it is all teams who have this run, not just one in their 
first season. Which was the issue.
It was pretty clear that AFC's early run of games last year being in NZ was manufactured by the league - one can only assume it was to pander to the big money owner as no other team has ever had that kind of gift in their first season.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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4 months ago
theprof
once again the context here is key!
the reason most clubs this season has a run of home games is down to one club pulling out of the comp - again it is all teams who have this run, not just one in their 
first season. Which was the issue.
It was pretty clear that AFC's early run of games last year being in NZ was manufactured by the league - one can only assume it was to pander to the big money owner as no other team has ever had that kind of gift in their first season.


I understand the context and why it's happened this year - and while I might not agree with the reasons it happened last season my point here is regardless of how it's got to this point the A-League has never really been a home and away type draw (albeit never this extreme) so perhaps in hindsight he would have been better off not focusing on it.
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Endorsed by number8

4 months ago
It has always been a home and away draw, with the rare occasion of back to back home or away trips.
Even when we had the three games against certain random teams the usual mode was home one week away the next.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Endorsed by Mainland FC, mjp2

4 months ago
theprof
It has always been a home and away draw, with the rare occasion of back to back home or away trips.
Even when we had the three games against certain random teams the usual mode was home one week away the next.

I didn't mean they didn't try and do home and away - i'm sure someone like Dale has stats on this, I just feel like it's pretty fluid the last three or four seasons - could be wrong.  

Anyway - I'm not super anti Chiefy - I just think he came out of that looking a bit silly, I think he is pretty astute generally but I think the derbies seemed to rattle him a bit last season.  
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4 months ago
This isn’t a real gotcha on Chief. And wasn’t much of a hit on AFC at the time either.


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4 months ago
theprof
It has always been a home and away draw, with the rare occasion of back to back home or away trips.
Even when we had the three games against certain random teams the usual mode was home one week away the next.
Would disagree with that, there has rarely been a proper home and away draw since we have been in the A League. Its  a fact most seasons we have had extended periods away from home and that fact has probably caused more angst over the years than any other issues combined.
The reasons have been many and varied but i have serious doubts we have ever had any extended periods of home away fixtures

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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4 months ago · edited 4 months ago · History
I recall Becker talking about the importance last year of having games on the same day and the same time when requesting their matches predominately on a Saturday at 5pm.

So people know heh it’s a Saturday, let’s go to the football - and a routine develops.

It would help even more if a regular home and away draw developed, so the punters would know it’s every fortnight.

Definitely something the A league needs to work on.

Can’t really see how it’s so hard, when most leagues throughout the world manage it with more games and mid week activity.

Auckland will rise once more

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4 months ago
AP Think one of the main issues here and in Aussie is that many of the stadiums are multi use. So there are often a number of events wanting to use them.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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Endorsed by brookem, coochiee, Mainland FC, theprof and 2 others

4 months ago
As far as I remember I've never called for the sacking of a coach before...
But sadly he has to go. 
He's too arrogant and too inflexible. We'll never out perform our limited roster if our coach can't ever out - manoeuvre his counterpart.
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4 months ago
Pretty hard making a great team when half of your starting lineup is out and limited budget means you have no depth.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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Endorsed by Bullion, JasperNix, LG, mjp2 and 4 others

3 months ago
Exactly look at the back 5 he had to put out- no payne, hughes, james. LKH isnt good enough to start an aleague game let alone anchor the defence. Look how callan elliot breezed past him in the derby. 

Chiefy may be a little head strong and i hope he learns from Ange but his squad is very limited and riddled with injuries. 

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3 months ago
JasperNix
Exactly look at the back 5 he had to put out- no payne, hughes, james. LKH isnt good enough to start an aleague game let alone anchor the defence. Look how callan elliot breezed past him in the derby. 

Chiefy may be a little head strong and i hope he learns from Ange but his squad is very limited and riddled with injuries. 

BS you obviously havnt taken notice of some of the performances LKH has put in recently. Everyone around me at games has been commenting about how he seems to have come of age and is doing some excellent stuff. Recall a couple of very crucial tackles that snuffed out promising Jets moves.
Care to name anyone Elliot wouldnt have breezed past given the circumstances of that attack.
You and some others seem to love making over the top criticisms of him.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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3 months ago · edited 3 months ago · History
Whether LKH is god enough to start or not is a moot point, fact is he is starting, and doing a decent job. But last game he was the "senior" CB with a debutant and make shift CB along side with. Not ideal for a 21yr old CB.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Endorsed by dunnix, FU BLU, kwlap, Mainland FC and 7 others

3 months ago
Of all things that we could be unhappy with, LKH is nowhere near the top priority. 
I am delighted he has not been significantly injured to date and continues to put in a good shift week in week out. 

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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Endorsed by brookem, dunnix, Fenix, Footballtragic and 12 others

3 months ago
LKH has been much improved. Gets a foot in regularly, has made some good last ditch tackles and seems to be a lot more aggressive in the air. Also, pretty calm on the ball.

Has the makings for a very good CB... I would love a little more aggro personally, but there's no guarantee that having it would make him a better player.
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Endorsed by brookem, Footballtragic, kwlap, Mainland FC and 6 others

3 months ago
He is doing better and I think the Sam Cosgrove experience helped him grow as a player.

Would still however like to see him be left in a room with Piper and Eze alone for 5 mins before a match to raise his aggro levels.

Auckland will rise once more

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3 months ago
AucklandPhoenix
I recall Becker talking about the importance last year of having games on the same day and the same time when requesting their matches predominately on a Saturday at 5pm.

So people know heh it’s a Saturday, let’s go to the football - and a routine develops.

It would help even more if a regular home and away draw developed, so the punters would know it’s every fortnight.

Definitely something the A league needs to work on.

Can’t really see how it’s so hard, when most leagues throughout the world manage it with more games and mid week activity.

When it comes to stadium availability and scheduling between events and other codes the A-League is at the very bottom of the pecking order. Gotta take whats left/available 
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3 months ago
I’d love a supercut of LKH tackles from the last two weeks. He’s made a number of impressive recoveries and covering tackles.


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3 months ago · edited 3 months ago · History
Ran some stat's with AI. Cheify is at a 23% win rate over the past two seasons. 

The only coach with a worse record is Kalezic with 19%....

If we lose the next home game the board need to take decisive action. 
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3 months ago
Elemenop
Ran some stat's with AI. Cheify is at a 23% win rate over the past two seasons. 

The only coach with a worse record is Kalezic with 19%....

If we lose the next home game the board need to take decisive action. 

Going to be like the 100th person saying something like this, don’t have the balls/care enough to.

It’s as if the club are just giving up and letting AFC win while we Nix fans continue to suffer. It’s depressing and frustrating as fudge.
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Endorsed by Elemenop, Monto, Nixieboys222, WanderingSheep and 1 other

3 months ago
Elemenop
Ran some stat's with AI. Cheify is at a 23% win rate over the past two seasons. 

The only coach with a worse record is Kalezic with 19%....

If we lose the next home game the board need to take decisive action. 
if you are cherry picking periods, there are probably worse win % from other coaches.
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3 months ago
martinb
I’d love a supercut of LKH tackles from the last two weeks. He’s made a number of impressive recoveries and covering tackles.


Yes, to balance out my negativity, LKH has improved a lot since last season. 
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Endorsed by Elemenop, Oi Oi Edgecumbe, WanderingSheep

3 months ago
LKH made the team of the week this week, which is quite an accolade considering we conceded 3 goals. The experts can see the good work he is doing.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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Endorsed by Braveheart, brookem, capitalbikes, dunnix and 12 others

3 months ago
Oi Oi Edgecumbe
LKH made the team of the week this week, which is quite an accolade considering we conceded 3 goals. The experts can see the good work he is doing.
Yet some of the Nix fans cant something some have always done is hate on Kiwi players.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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3 months ago
Bullion
Elemenop
Ran some stat's with AI. Cheify is at a 23% win rate over the past two seasons. 

The only coach with a worse record is Kalezic with 19%....

If we lose the next home game the board need to take decisive action. 
if you are cherry picking periods, there are probably worse win % from other coaches.


Yeah interestingly Italiano still has the best winning percentage of any Phoenix manager, including caretakers.

Probably highlights how much of an outlier the 23/24 season was.

Three for me, and two for them.

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