New Gold Dream

sorry to say this people the abuse was not directed at the child, i was standing two rows back right behind the said blanket and family, the child put the blanket on the seat the parents then put it up on the fence making sure it was straight and could clearly be seen so they knew exactly what they were doing and now are trying to make people join there side by embellishing the truth and you guys are all falling for it and you do not know exactly what happened.

also security became involved stooped the chanters chanting got the family to take the blanket down and left, problem solved if the child was being abused i am sure security would of done more. i am not condoning the chanters and am not taking sides just pointing out what i saw.

Several attempts have been made to end this discussion and I have put a <this> in agreement, but comments keep on coming.

I don't want the last word but I will respond to comments which do not reflect the specific events that occurred yesterday

What happened on the night and the following multiple thread discussions do not reflect well on me or on others who have made ill-informed comments and just responded with general outrage
 

Thanks for some independent view on this.

Well, Partick Thistle it has to be said...

;)

I think that it's easy for these things to get out of hand. Everyone wants to share their opinion and it all comes across way more antagonistic than most people intend. Things get taken in a different spirit than they were meant, people take things personally, etc.

The general point is everyone wants the fever zone to be big, fun, and providing great support for the team. Disagreements happen but ultimately we are all on the same side.

The whole topic covering three threads has been more of an Oprah session.

Edit:  I'm hanging in so that I can get my free car at some stage.

I had a NZ flag at the World Cup as well as my nix shirt. And being as we weren't exactly rivals with any of the countries Nobody "had a conversation" with me or "chanted at my flag" - so I guess "football etiquette" isn't as widespread or common as you think it is

What was the chant? If it was an anti scouser one, the only one I know is "in your Liverpool slums". 

Warwick, "Football Etiquette" is a very relative thing. Plenty of people here seem to agree that if NGD did with his daughter's rug what you say he did, that it is something they would prefer not to have in the Zone. However there also seems to be a general consensus that even if you were as polite as you claim you were to NGD, that your actions were probably not justified. It would seem that you have broached what others think is proper etiquette at a football match (or even in life in general), making you at least as guilty as NGD.

It is good to see that you acknowledged that you may have taken the wrong course of action, but your constant reiteration of your view of events isn't helping your cause. You might feel that others are misrepresenting events and your motivations, but you might be best off letting the conversation die down so that we can leave this regrettable incident behind us.

Funny that foreign football shirts are seemingly ok when for many guys around their shirt would be much bigger than a little girls blanket.

Before I cast judgment on the two parties, can I seek some clarification on a key point. Did a parent really take a 6 year old girl into the fever zone?

It appears so, yes.

Parents have been reported to Cyfs for less

Die Thread Die. We all have put our foot in it. (At Some Time) 

For someone who objects when people don't read what you wrote, you do a pretty good job of it there... I didn't say there was an anti-Liverpool agenda.

My point was that in my opinion if you had been objecting to an A league or ASBPremiersship team banner/insignia it would possibly have been more accepted... but that, again in my opinion, the fact it was a non rival club's banner (Liverpool) changes my position from one of supporting your intent to not supporting it.

Sorry i dont understand where some people are coming from.You cant tell me that if you wore a Phoenix shirt and decided to go and stand in among the active supporters of say the Victory or Western Sydney you would be welcomed with open arms.

Yes people wear a number of shirts to attend games all over the world but do they do it in amongst the active fans.I think not,i would even suggest that in some places you would be a bloody fool to try.

Yep wear your various shirts/scarves/hats/blankets to a Phoenix game but im sorry why should it be okay to sit in a zone which by its design was set up to be for fans of the PHOENIX.

I am in no way condoning any form of abuse to those wearing other teams kit,i just dont get people defending those wearing or displaying it in the zone.Theres a shyte load of room in the stadium for those who feel the need to display there support of other teams

I agree with this.

But that is not what the issue was.

If it had been an A League banner/blanket/flag then I would have been 100% against it being in the Fever zone.

But it wasn't.

It was a team we have no rivalry with, and I can't get het up about it.

What is going through their head to do that?

1. Re. the bit in bold, Smithy wore an Arsenal top in the Melbourne City game (he was cold). I was willing to object to it based on it's colours because coincidentally Arsenal's red and white were two of the colours (away colours, and historically) of the team we were playing... , but not based on it being an Arsenal top.

2. re the last sentence. I agree with this. But if the team concerned is not a team we have a rivalry with (i.e not an A League team and not an ASB Premiership team) then I can't get wound up about it.

I don't get this either. But I am not going to have a go at them for it, unless it is a team we are rivals with.

Eden Park our mate from Adelaie was denied permission to put up a banner (Hang Over from Sunday topping up well) 

Can't remember if he bought over giant shirt or his Red Army banner. Help

We were in a down period 

He pays not a supporters club - Not sure on pre approval? 

Because as Warwick has (somewhat confusingly) been trying to do is to separate out the actual events of last night, with the discussion around what is appropriate in the zone.

But most of us are still mixing the two up.

AND regarding the latter topic it comes down to personal preferences (e.g. casual or yellow only) with no way to "police" other than peer pressure vs anyone can wear what they want as it will encourage more people to join the zone (and also who is to say what is appropriate and what isn't).

Maybe the child had misbehaved badly and was being punished by having to sit in public with a Liverpool blanket.

Absolutely. Especially if these clubs are not ever even likely to play against The Mighty Nix.

My avatar is the ancient logo of Pogon Szczecin, club from the town I grew up in. It does not mean I follow them closely or anything, but simply shows that there are many different paths to eventually, inevitably, terminally, become a Phoenix fan.

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Yeah I agree  I don't understand it either. 

But There are a lot of things people do that I don't understand or even like. But that doesn't always give me the right to go up and tell them not to do it. 

Warrick has pointed out a number of times he did NOT go an tell them not to do it. 

He said it was unacceptable and asked them not to.

He (at least claims) he did not say "You can't do that".

Be careful what you acccuse him of.

Same when I went to a Suzuki sponsored day in a H-D shirt. 

Look at Brand protection law suits. Honda speeds big to win in Wanganui. Kawasaki spent bike to win the NZ Suzuki series

We are small fry. But H-D has taken action in NZ to protect its brand. #Steineken come home

Whilst it has been an interesting debate partaken by a wide variety of users on here, can we do it somewhere else? Or read Desmond Morris's - The Soccer Tribe.

The point of this thread was for me to reach out and hear from Newgolddream and I have indeed heard from him and we are corresponding via email.

Next Christmas  wish list - pm ability on this site again pretty please..

Next up, news media negative story about the fever zone. I just know those vultures will probably be picking up on these threads. After all, we won and we are in 4th place and 5 points clear of our nearest rival. Obviously  nothing to write about.

Any mod please lock and or delete this thread. It's  original intention has been achieved. Anyone else who had input on this, my apologies if it goes, I just dont want the media picking up on it.

Yeah my mistake, I got the wording wrong. Basic point still stands. 

Please separate the incident that occurred on Sunday and the general theme of conduct in the FZ
I admit I have confused these issues but please establish what really happened before any demonstration is made on Sunday 
I am not trying to control events, but the lines have been blurred by participants on both sides and comments made on this forum
I did offer to discuss this with all parties face to face, but was refused by NGD. on the basis that I'd just abuse him  

I deeply regret the angst and upset this has caused to all concerned 

the bottom line is this - someone comes to Nix game for the first time and wants to sit near (or in) the fever zone to enjoy the atmosphere that the fever are really good at creating and they have a bad experience - whether or not there is some rules or whatever broken that should be the take away point.  If there are people in the fever who believe that not having a LFC blanket in the fever zone is more important than in this case 4 (or 5) tickets sold for their club then this should be the weighing point.  Brand vs Income