New Gold Dream

Apologies to MB users and Admin, can you please leave this up for 24 hours before deleting it. You can lock it if you wish.

NGD, would you please e-mail me  @ lonegunmen at paradise dot co dot nz.

Please

Might have some very good news for you!

I would not usually do this but no PM's yet on the site.

Don't worry Gunman, there's no problems with you posting this. 

Hi, I've sent an email, but I'm not sure you have given me the correct address?

lonegunmen at paradise dot net dot nz

Cheers Patrick, much appreciated and NGD, I will explain all in the e-mail ;)

LG, are you going to buy NGD's daughter a QPR rug?

LG, anything I can do to help contact me also. Want the family to come back and enjoy themselves!

same here. Even willing to wear a Liverpool rug in solidarity! 

I have no intention on buying her a toupe. Errr a rug. But I have emailed the father. All under control fellow fans with big hearts. The Christmas  spirit lives within you all.

Did you offer to mind their car for £1 while theyre at the football next?

Nope. Mods, can delete this thread now. Have made contact thanks.

Well, whatever, I hope NGD and his kids and his mum-in-law come back for 4 Jan and have an enjoyable night out watching footie and cheering on the Nix.

They can sit in Aisle 23 and no one will give a monkeys if they are in red scouse, blue scouse, woolwich kits or have blue tard feathers out of their bottoms.

Of course if it is Woolwich I might stare passive aggressively at them... if I could be @rsed.

I think its time to let sleeping dogs lie

I actually agree with your principles Warwick (see Hard News' perspective in the locked thread).

It's just that when a family feels abused and threatened it oversteps the line of decency.  While there are two sides to very story, NGD's reaction as a father is very understandable.

It only takes a few numpties to escalate things and (see the account of Spurs ultras taking on Hammers firm at Eden Park - getting all Danny Dyer) and it ruins the game for everyone.

Our major issue to date has been someone throwing a water bottle at a player in season 1.  Despite what other posters have said, even visiting A-League fans are welcome here.

Let's keep it that way.

I wish the thread hadn't have been closed down,as discussion could have taken place in one thread 

My conversation was with NGD. There was no comment directed at his daughter or family, by me at half-time
I told him it was unacceptable to have a banner displayed, obviously I was expressing my opinion and it was duly ignored 
A chant was made, a standard 'terrace' chant, well two chants.
'Terrace' chants can appear juvenile and stupid away from the context of the home team's end
There was no intent to upset a family
If you drape a non-Phoenix Shield and club name over railings/fence in the FZ then you should expect some response
I apologise for hurt caused to family but not for my pro-Phoenix opinion.
Please note, it is pro-Phoenix not against any other club. 

people can wear or display whatever they like (within reason obviously). Obviously would prefer phoenix but it's not our place to tell others what they can and can't do, unless perhaps they are being abusive in some way. 

Non-Phoenix shirts/caps have been accepted in the FZ since the first season 

I don't think that a club's shield and name should be displayed  over fence/railing in the FZ 

Obviously I am in a minority.

I look forward to the next podcast...

This is NZ not some tribal British crap where we go abusing people for "not wearing our colours". You've got to realise that just because there is a football culture somewhere that it won't be the same all over the world. 

I went to the World Cup in Brazil in my nix shirt to every game and never got abused once. Others have been to games on Australia in nix shirts, and didn't get abused. People have worn nix tops to ASBP games and not been abused. And so on. 

Also just because you consider something to be "football etiquette" doesn't mean it is right. Maybe "football etiquette" needs changing

Even at Kiwitea St?

If they did get abused, it'd also be wrong. 

Actually I'd like the Nix to be around long enough to develop a sort of British tribal crap culture.  Otherwise it's just a bunch of saddo tragics who meet up every fortnight for a few months of the year.

Apart from you elites with your exclusive piss ups.

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none of that makes it right. 

I give up. You keep abusing people and upsetting children in the name of football etiquette all you like, just don't expect much support. 

Question: Is displaying other clubs logos as an avatar on YF forum OK?

Half right is about as good as I get (just ask my wife)

Congratulations, after what seems like about 50 odd posts of self important driveling excuses with no sign of insight into the trouble you have caused, here buried inside another load of blah blah blah, is a tiny little pearl of self-awareness. Maybe consider leaving it at this as a good note to bow out on, turn off your computer, and go and enjoy the rest of the festive season.

having some chants in response to a Liverpool banner seems fair enough - or was it overly abusive?

Totally get that the objection was to a banner/emblem/blanket and NOT to shirts.

Accept that the subsequent discussion says these are just examples.

The problem I have is not with WHAT has been said but HOW it was said.

And these examples are a further illustration of that problem.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the colours of clubs not involved in rivalry with the Phoenix being displayed. 

So I have no problem with a Liverpool banner/blanket/emblem. No problem at all.

I also don't have a problem with away fans joining us in the Fever zone. But that is a different debate.

I DO however have a problem with a Victory/Roar/Perth (or any other A League or ASB Premiership club) banner, flag or coat of arms in the Fever zone.

To me what it is that is worth objecting to is really important.

If there was an AC Milan, banner in the members end at Inter Milan, that would be a riot.

If there was an AC Milan bannr in the fever zone - completely different situation, and to me at least, no issue.

A WSW banner in the Fever Zone (ever, but PARTICULARLY when we are playing WSW) - unacceptable.

A WSW banner at Inter Milan? Humourous and probably trivial.

A Phoenix Banner at an A League club home end, not acceptable.

A Phoenix Banner at an English ground - kudos.

I think you guys picked the right issue, but the wrong way of objecting to it. I also think you objected to something that didn't need to be objected to, as there is no rivalry with Liverpool.