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New Phoenix Leadership Group

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almost 9 years ago

Sorry, don't know if this topic has been discussed somewhere else, but with:

  • Sigmund & Muscat gone last year
  • Moss all but gone
  • Lia calling himself a free agent
  • Durante only having 1 year left on his contract

Who steps into Phoenix leadership roles? I think I read in the article where players got dropped for breaking curfew, that Doyle was part of the group? I'd like to think Rossi and/or Krishna would be able to step up.

What does everyone else think?

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almost 9 years ago

WeeMac is in their as well IIRC.

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almost 9 years ago

I think A-Rod used to captain Sunderland U21s but as much as I rate him he doesn't come across like a leader to me. Rossi's lack of English is a barrier for him. Krishna and WeeMac are good calls. 

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almost 9 years ago · edited almost 9 years ago · History

Leadership group hasn't helped these last 2 seasons, so eh..

Doyle, WeeMac, Krishna

Rossi will be off after next season I assume

a.haak

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almost 9 years ago · edited almost 9 years ago · History

I must be old fashioned but it's a football team FFS, not some sort of corporate entity with layers of players. Let the manager pick a captain and get on with it.

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almost 9 years ago

Global Game wrote:

I must be old fashioned but it's a football team FFS, not some sort of corporate entity with layers of players. Let the manager pick a captain and get on with it.

While i agree whole heartily with you, sadly if the status quo coaching wise  is to continue then this touchy feely corporate crap is likely to continue.Probably fits the Welnix model as well sadly they cant seem to grasp that developing a winning football team comes first then you branch out.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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almost 9 years ago · edited almost 9 years ago · History

They are a young team which develops players, it's not crap to have mentors on the field.

Dismissing something as "touchy feely crap" says a lot.

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almost 9 years ago

Leadership groups are used because humans are more inclined to buy into rules and "culture" that they have a part in both forming and enforcing. It's easy to turn against your captain or manager if you can paint them as an autocratic bully who has it out for you, but it's harder to turn on 4 or 5 senior players who are enforcing rules the entire team collaborated on. There are a lot reasons for the All Blacks' success over the last decade, but there are a lot of very smart people who think their leadership structure plays a big part.

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almost 9 years ago · edited almost 9 years ago · History

Critical_Lemon wrote:

Leadership groups are used because humans are more inclined to buy into rules and "culture" that they have a part in both forming and enforcing. It's easy to turn against your captain or manager if you can paint them as an autocratic bully who has it out for you, but it's harder to turn on 4 or 5 senior players who are enforcing rules the entire team collaborated on. There are a lot reasons for the All Blacks' success over the last decade, but there are a lot of very smart people who think their leadership structure plays a big part.

There is probably some truth to that and it is easy to tout the success of such a model when the likes of the All Blacks employ it and they are successful. Perhaps leadership groups are more successful in teams with a positive culture and in situations where you are trying to squeeze out that little bit extra special out of something already quite good. Because successful team have them, other teams also employ them in the hope/expectation that they can replicate that success. I'd be keen to know of successful teams that don't operate leadership groups and what the reason is behind their success.

Edit: Have a look at this link, quite interesting.

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almost 9 years ago

Napier Phoenix wrote:

Critical_Lemon wrote:

Leadership groups are used because humans are more inclined to buy into rules and "culture" that they have a part in both forming and enforcing. It's easy to turn against your captain or manager if you can paint them as an autocratic bully who has it out for you, but it's harder to turn on 4 or 5 senior players who are enforcing rules the entire team collaborated on. There are a lot reasons for the All Blacks' success over the last decade, but there are a lot of very smart people who think their leadership structure plays a big part.

There is probably some truth to that and it is easy to tout the success of such a model when the likes of the All Blacks employ it and they are successful. Perhaps leadership groups are more successful in teams with a positive culture and in situations where you are trying to squeeze out that little bit extra special out of something already quite good. Because successful team have them, other teams also employ them in the hope/expectation that they can replicate that success. I'd be keen to know of successful teams that don't operate leadership groups and what the reason is behind their success.

Edit: Have a look at this link, quite interesting.

I disagree pretty strongly with that article, especially the idea that football is not a "team" sport. Making provocative statements like that probably helps drum up business for a consultancy firm but when they make a statement like it's fact and you click on the hyperlink and it just takes you to another article by them I think you can raise an eyebrow.

 I think you need several leaders in a squad and I don't know if we have that. Whether or not they are a group or a collection of individuals is probably just semantics

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almost 9 years ago

YF Leadership Group Take Control!

It's gonna be another long off season FFS!

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