New QLD teams allowed more overseas players

Honestly. No. not for at least another 2 years. let the youth league get underway for a couple of seasons, let clubs actually develop there own talent to a degree (phoenix should be allowed to compete)then we will have a better idea of what the player resources are like. if they want to keep the quality of the competition at least, rather than let it digress into a flashier version of the old NSL.

the problem still is if those current under 20 players all step up, then help form a basis for expanision teams, that leaves a gap in the teams they are leaving?

I don't see it as a major issue, even though it is a double-standard that the Phoenix were not extended the same "golden hello" clause.

 

Ultimately, better this than what I think they did in the last NFL expansion. If I recall correctly, existing teams nominated a select number of protected players and the two new clubs could pick any remaining player (one or two per team limit) from each team for free! 

 

Only fans of top-flight teams tend to think that way though.

 

That's a tricky one. We do get a bonus by being a NZ club in an AU league. On the one hand, as a NZ club we have to be able to treat NZ players as domestic. On the other, there aren't enough to allow us to treat AU as non-domestic. I would say the fairest approach would be for the A-League to class both NZ and AU as domestic for all A-League clubs and not just us.

 

There is a whole 108 page thread on the English Forum for the Arsenal supporters.

 

You can try and justify fielding 11 foriegners there but not in this thread,

 

Where do you get your information from WellyT?  A Kiwi does not count as a foreigner if playing for one of the other 7 A-League teams, as a Johnny foreigner is someone that would require a work visa for Aussie, we don't.

 

 

You'd think that would have been covered with the powers that be...

 

No,i agree with it also. Except,the A league and football in australia isnt really big enough,so it really is only for developing local talent

 

The EPL is a different story...Im quite convinced english teams wouldnt look at foreigners from certain countries (like NZ) if they were only allowed a couple of foreigners. The no foreigners rule means that countries without the resources for a proper domestic league lose out BIG TIME!

 

Simon elliot, Killen and even maybe Nelsen may not have been given their chance in europe if this pro-europe rule from FIFA goes through. They would instead be slaving away in the NZFC,and not get any better.

 

Didnt quite manage to say that the way i wanted,but hope you get the general idea.

 

No,i agree with it also. Except,the A league and football in australia isnt really big enough,so it really is only for developing local talent

 

The EPL is a different story...Im quite convinced english teams wouldnt look at foreigners from certain countries (like NZ) if they were only allowed a couple of foreigners. The no foreigners rule means that countries without the resources for a proper domestic league lose out BIG TIME!

 

Simon elliot, Killen and even maybe Nelsen may not have been given their chance in europe if this pro-europe rule from FIFA goes through. They would instead be slaving away in the NZFC,and not get any better.

 

Didnt quite manage to say that the way i wanted,but hope you get the general idea.

 

 

 

 

Thats exactly the point. Its why the country vote for the FIFA ban on more than 5 foreigners per team was something like 180 for and 6 against(can't remeber the exact figures but it was overwellming)

Countries want their players back to strencthen the domestic league.

 

At the moment there are about 150 Aussies and probably 30 to 50 kiwis(guess) playng profootball overseas. Most of them are journeymen who will never crack the elite level. Better off having them home playing in the A-League... if even half of them came back then we would easily have enough players for 14 teams in the A-League. End result a much stronger A-League.

 

FFS - is that the level we've descended to? The "your post is rubbish, go away and have a think" line of debate? Way to kill any chance of an intelligent debate.

 

The whole foreigner thing has been building up for ages. That happens when your country's top flight is two thirds foreign players - by far the largest lack of balance in Europe (probably global, but I don't know if so). England's failure to get to Euro2008 is not especially relevant except being the latest example. Why should any other country feel obliged to have rules that allow Ryan Nelsen to earn �2m pounds a year?

 

The massing of talent into a few leagues has damaged domestic football in other countries. The Dutch used to produce strong club sides, but they are a shadow of their former selves. If NZ send all their good players overseas, no wonder you're complaining about the relative skill level of the NZFC.

 

You talk about an ordinary worker being able to move to another country and work. It's not that unrestricted. To accept a job offer in NZ, I had to undergo a points system analysis. The company had to write a letter to NZ immigration showing why they could not employ a NZer to perform the role I was being assigned. When I spent 2003 working in Thailand, it was even more stringent. People wanting to come to work in NZ from overseas get turned down all the time. The same thing happens going the other way. Football clubs in England are nearly always able to get players a work permit. Although it's supposed to be based on international appearances that is often circumnavigated. Just because the borders are down in Europe and the Premier League has absolutely no restrictions at all for non-EU players (unlike other leagues in Europe) does not mean that football should not apply the same rules as ordinary workers.

 

The fact is that there used to be restrictions and it worked just fine. The old restrictions were very hard-line, unlike the idea that Blatter tabled. Something needs to be done to put the balance back.

 

Indeed - though I now I have dual nationality with NZ. And to be honest, I find it somewhat amusing when non-English fans of English clubs complain about proposals to make English clubs English again.

 

In England, at least in the Prem (I'd have to check the other divisions) there no restrictions on the number of non-EU players. It's completely open. Various other European leagues have restrictions - Germany for example limit the non-EU players to 4 (I think it's 4 - could be 3).