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Nix vs Adelaide

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Was quietly surprised that Reddy did so well considering he has been out of first team football for so long. One stupid clearance from a backpass, but overall his positioning was sound and although it was one of our more bumbling defensive efforts the back four seemed more comfortable having him between the sticks than Crowther.
 
I just know he's going to do something catastrophic though. It's just a matter of when....
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loyalgunner wrote:
One part of the game that springs to mind involving Hearfield is when two of our players were on one of their mids who passes off to a player that Hearfield should have been covering.  The player was able to play a ball into the middle with no pressure on him at all while Hearfield lazily jogged in his general direction.

That is poor and should never happen.

EDIT: Add to that Hearfield's foul on Cassio.  Could have been sent off.  Such stupidity.  Cassio had just fouled (tackled probably a better word as we got a goalkick) him but there was not much in that previous challenge at all.


In the 2nd half...Hearfield was marking/covering two players, and that is why he was getting caught out..If McKain, Durante or maybe Bertos were picking up their man - there would not of been an issue!! So I dont think you could blame hearfield at all for that problem when he got stuck marking two players..
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loyalgunner wrote:
AllWhitebelievr, who is the girl in your dp?� She's gorgeous.If Crowther was on I doubt he'd have performed better (on the contrary I suspect I'd be in hospital suffering from some heart complication) but I think he'd have easily smothered that shot.� He is taller but still, Reddy should have got it.Strange though, a few minutes afterwards Reddy was at full stretch and managed to tip just wide a strange chip by Cristiano (I think) that was headed for the inside of the post.


Dunno, she's a model. I had just pull the picture off a t-shirt website from a google search because she had the "believe" definition on an all white shirt. Yeah she's a gorgeous gal from a modest church background, I think.

Those chips are really Brazilian toehacks and designed to deceive rather than to outpower the goalkeepers reach. It is quite accurate and South Americans, especially Brazilians, do it quite often. Its quite an underestimated skill which you don't normally see.

You can see on Reddy faces, that he's thinking "Damn, I thought it will be away from the goal and I could have stopped that". But to his credit, he learnt straightaway and pull off the save a few minutes afterward in the same type of situation. Hopefully he will continue recognise that same type of shot and account for the margin of error in his career. Can't take things for granted even your own judgement of ball path.
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StopOut wrote:
Was quietly surprised that Reddy did so well considering he has been out of first team football for so long. One stupid clearance from a backpass, but overall his positioning was�sound and although it was one of our more bumbling defensive efforts the back four seemed more comfortable�having him between the sticks than Crowther.
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I just know he's going to do something catastrophic though. It's just a matter of when....


He has been quite steady today and he seems to be in the right position. It was that "Damn I could have dive and stop that one going in" on his face moment that gets all keepers because of the unusual ball flight.
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mayze88 wrote:
loyalgunner wrote:
One part of the game that springs to mind involving Hearfield is when two of our players were on one of their mids who passes off to a player that Hearfield should have been covering.  The player was able to play a ball into the middle with no pressure on him at all while Hearfield lazily jogged in his general direction.

That is poor and should never happen.

EDIT: Add to that Hearfield's foul on Cassio.  Could have been sent off.  Such stupidity.  Cassio had just fouled (tackled probably a better word as we got a goalkick) him but there was not much in that previous challenge at all.


In the 2nd half...Hearfield was marking/covering two players, and that is why he was getting caught out..If McKain, Durante or maybe Bertos were picking up their man - there would not of been an issue!! So I dont think you could blame hearfield at all for that problem when he got stuck marking two players..


If you'd read what I typed it's completely different from marking two players.  Two phoenix guys were on one of their players.  So quite the opposite infact.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Why is it when we are supposedly stacked with wide midfield players, we can not get a decent cross in to the box, even from a dead ball situation. Week after week Daniel and Berttos hit lame free kicks and crosses straight at defenders, or horrible loopy hanging balls.
 
Second half was an improvement, but boy, did we miss having a clinical finisher.
 
Anyone know how many freekicks in that foul fest. We were very lucky not to play with 10 men for 85 minutes but aty least the ref was consistantly bad.
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Stack wrote:
I was impressed with young Rojas, thought he had some nice touches. He will get better with time.


he was garbage, poor touch and is WAY too small to be playing with the "men". If he perhaps had a bit of aggressiveness about him he could counter the fact he gets bumped off the ball stupidly easily, but he doesn't even have that. His whole attitude seems to come across as he doesn't even give a f**k he's on the park even though he should absolutely be savouring it. Doesn't put in half the effort that Costa does.
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monkeyboy wrote:

Stack wrote:
I was impressed with young Rojas, thought he had some nice touches. He will get better with time.
he was garbage, poor touch and is WAY too small to be playing with the "men". If he perhaps had a bit of aggressiveness about him he could counter the fact he gets bumped off the ball stupidly easily, but he doesn't even have that. His whole attitude seems to come across as he doesn't even give a f**k he's on the park even though he should absolutely be savouring it. Doesn't put in half the effort that Costa does.




HAHAHAHAHA you cant be serious!!!!!!
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Ard Righ wrote:
As for Ifill, I think the man is carrying some niggly injuries, not helped by the fact he cops poor tackles every week.

And what's was with the referee tonight, his cards were glued in his pocket or something?

Hearfield was lucky not to be off in the first 5 minutes, and there were plenty of yellows that should have been given in that match.
A few more yellows and the game would have flowed a hell of a lot better.
agree...soft ref tonight......[.hate to think if Mike Hester had been in the middle....]  His lack of cards wrecked the match totally...how many fouls in the match ? ChopperHarris2009-12-19 09:08:58
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monkeyboy wrote:

Stack wrote:
I was impressed with young Rojas, thought he had some nice touches. He will get better with time.
he was garbage, poor touch and is WAY too small to be playing with the "men". If he perhaps had a bit of aggressiveness about him he could counter the fact he gets bumped off the ball stupidly easily, but he doesn't even have that. His whole attitude seems to come across as he doesn't even give a f**k he's on the park even though he should absolutely be savouring it. Doesn't put in half the effort that Costa does.
Oh FFS, Rojas needs time to develop for sure, but like someone pointed out, he (and Costa) are at a disadvantage because Nix have no youth squad. Last year when Tommy Oar came on I thought exactly the same thing 'he's far too small and wont last 5 minutes' then he scored against us (from a free kick?) and now he's a regular starter.timmymadden2009-12-19 09:51:33
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Give credit to Adelaide. they acturally played well too. I think a draw was a fair result even though Brown could of won it for the Nics.

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timmymadden wrote:
monkeyboy wrote:

Stack wrote:
I was impressed with young Rojas, thought he had some nice touches. He will get better with time.
he was garbage, poor touch and is WAY too small to be playing with the "men". If he perhaps had a bit of aggressiveness about him he could counter the fact he gets bumped off the ball stupidly easily, but he doesn't even have that. His whole attitude seems to come across as he doesn't even give a f**k he's on the park even though he should absolutely be savouring it. Doesn't put in half the effort that Costa does.
Oh FFS, Rojas needs time to develop for sure, but like someone pointed out, he (and Costa) are at a disadvantage because Nix have no youth squad. Last year when Tommy Oar came on I thought exactly the same thing 'he's far too small and wont last 5 minutes' then he scored against us (from a free kick?) and now he's a regular starter.
 
How old is the young fella? Some people need a reality check towards Rojas. Her did well but he is a young boy compared to some of the well seasoned older players he's coming up against. He's not Maradonna so stop expecting miracle performances from him. He did well. Well said Timmy. Monkeyboy, stop spanking the monkey, unless of course you're better than a 17 year old on the pitch and trial with the Nix.
Lonegunmen2009-12-19 10:54:06
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monkeyboy wrote:
Stack wrote:
I was impressed with young Rojas, thought he had some nice touches. He will get better with time.


he was garbage, poor touch and is WAY too small to be playing with the "men". If he perhaps had a bit of aggressiveness about him he could counter the fact he gets bumped off the ball stupidly easily, but he doesn't even have that. His whole attitude seems to come across as he doesn't even give a f**k he's on the park even though he should absolutely be savouring it. Doesn't put in half the effort that Costa does.
he barely got half the game time Costa did agree he wasn't flash but  he's 17, the real question is why does Ricki have so much faith in a 17 year old yet he keeps the likes of Diego on the bench or not even in the squad at all
giddyup2009-12-19 11:02:15
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timmymadden wrote:
monkeyboy wrote:

Stack wrote:
I was impressed with young Rojas, thought he had some nice touches. He will get better with time.
he was garbage, poor touch and is WAY too small to be playing with the "men". If he perhaps had a bit of aggressiveness about him he could counter the fact he gets bumped off the ball stupidly easily, but he doesn't even have that. His whole attitude seems to come across as he doesn't even give a f**k he's on the park even though he should absolutely be savouring it. Doesn't put in half the effort that Costa does.
Oh FFS, Rojas needs time to develop for sure, but like someone pointed out, he (and Costa) are at a disadvantage because Nix have no youth squad. Last year when Tommy Oar came on I thought exactly the same thing 'he's far too small and wont last 5 minutes' then he scored against us (from a free kick?) and now he's a regular starter.
 
Ofcourse he needs time to develop and he's disadvantaged having no youth team but he still played crap.  He can have many reasons for why, but at the end of the day he had a poor game.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ard Righ wrote:
aitkenmike wrote:


Ard Righ wrote:
Sack the whole f**king team. Totally disgusted.
Why are we sacking the whole team when we just had 15 minutes of dominance and they hit us on the break with a long shot?


Does this really need an answer?

Even the commentators called it the Miss of the Season from Tim Brown.


Exactly - we had one player who missed a couple of absolute sitters, would have won 3-1, so you sack the whole team?
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darkhorse wrote:

Give credit to Adelaide. they acturally played well too. I think a draw was a fair result even though Brown could of won it for the Nics.



Agree. A drew was a fair result I think and compared to our previous results away to Adelaide, i'm happy with it.
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We played ok last night considering the players out and a draw was more than I expected if I am honest.
 
Terrible misses from Brown, especially the first. Really no excuse for him.
 
And for once last night I thought Ifill was fairly poor. A number of times he was trying to do everything himself and just refused to pass the ball, instead either being tackled or taking on hopeful shots that got nowhere near the goal.
 
Agree that about 90% of the crosses from both open play and corners are very poor, Daniel and Bertos the main perpatrators.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Caceres scored us goal in his first minute.
brilliant.
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Steve-O wrote:
We played ok last night considering the players out and a draw was more than I expected if I am honest.
 
Terrible misses from Brown, especially the first. Really no excuse for him.
 
And for once last night I thought Ifill was fairly poor. A number of times he was trying to do everything himself and just refused to pass the ball, instead either being tackled or taking on hopeful shots that got nowhere near the goal.
 
Agree that about 90% of the crosses from both open play and corners are very poor, Daniel and Bertos the main perpatrators.
I agree. Ifill has bertos disease from earlier in the season, where you shoot from anywhere and dont look for players in better positions. Brown should have got 1 out of those 3 chances last night. thats none from 6 for him last 2 weeks.Daniel was just plain crap last night. drop him for caceres next week please

rojas, so special

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Steve-O wrote:
We played ok last night considering the players out and a draw was more than I expected if I am honest.
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Terrible misses from Brown, especially the first. Really no excuse for him.

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And for once last night I thought Ifill was fairly poor. A number of times he was trying to do everything himself and just refused to pass the ball, instead either being tackled or taking on hopeful shots that got nowhere near the goal.

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Agree that about 90% of the crosses from both open play and corners are very poor, Daniel and Bertos the main perpatrators.


Pretty much well summed up. Real lack of urgency at the end pissed me off. Tim Brown had 3 good headed chances to of which were sitters, pretty annoying he didn't score.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
playwithFire wrote:
loyalgunner wrote:

Caceres may have won back a starting spot.


Who to drop though? Sure bertos was sh*te first half, but once we switched out to a 442 he came alive. Perhaps Daniel will drop out, however I like Caceres as a super sub. Always seems to perform better off the bench for me.

we supposedly were 442 from the start with daniel up front. as predicted he was pants up front or maybe MIA is a better description. Anyone questioning costas game after playing the whole 1st half up front alone should maybe look at the delivery he gets.

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Still a much better performance from the team last night than at the Ring of Dirt.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
and 13 days for brown to learn how to finish.

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
timmymadden wrote:
monkeyboy wrote:

Stack wrote:
I was impressed with young Rojas, thought he had some nice touches. He will get better with time.
he was garbage, poor touch and is WAY too small to be playing with the "men". If he perhaps had a bit of aggressiveness about him he could counter the fact he gets bumped off the ball stupidly easily, but he doesn't even have that. His whole attitude seems to come across as he doesn't even give a f**k he's on the park even though he should absolutely be savouring it. Doesn't put in half the effort that Costa does.
Oh FFS, Rojas needs time to develop for sure, but like someone pointed out, he (and Costa) are at a disadvantage because Nix have no youth squad. Last year when Tommy Oar came on I thought exactly the same thing 'he's far too small and wont last 5 minutes' then he scored against us (from a free kick?) and now he's a regular starter.


He is going to have to develop a long long way before he will be A-League quality, obviously what he has done is no mean feat and well done to him and all for becoming involved in a professional squad at such a young age, but perhaps the club needs to look more carefully about how they blood younger players, Oar is more effective because the kid actually gets stuck in, I didn't see Rojas once put in an effort to keep a player off him. Sorry if it upsets you all to be critical of him, but if he is playing for a professional team then he is subject to the same criticism that any player would receive once they step upon the park.
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He will bulk up as he grows over the next 3 or 4 years but he and Oar are two different players with 2 different roles. Oar has been given a licence to go for it. and he does with pace and skill as Manny found out. Rojas is different.
 
I do agree that he will need to bulk up with the addition of some Gym work.
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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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aitkenmike wrote:

Ard Righ wrote:
aitkenmike wrote:


Ard Righ wrote:
Sack the whole f**king team. Totally disgusted.
Why are we sacking the whole team when we just had 15 minutes of dominance and they hit us on the break with a long shot?


Does this really need an answer?

Even the commentators called it the Miss of the Season from Tim Brown.
Exactly - we had one player who missed a couple of absolute sitters, would have won 3-1, so you sack the whole team?


It wasn't only Brown who missed free headers. Durante did the same thing.

But it all comes back to the fact whenver our team gets in a decent position to take some shots at goal, they f**k it up.

Either we get someone trying to play freestyle football in the box, and lose possesion, or we have too many poor touches, and lose any advantage gained from quick passing.

Ifill's first touch has been quite awful in the last few games, and holding onto the ball instead of spreading it around just makes it too easy for the defence.

So yeah, if they can't pull their heads out, and start winning games, sack the whole team.
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playwithFire wrote:
loyalgunner wrote:

Caceres may have won back a starting spot.


Who to drop though? Sure bertos was sh*te first half, but once we switched out to a 442 he came alive. Perhaps Daniel will drop out, however I like Caceres as a super sub. Always seems to perform better off the bench for me.



Think Caceres has been consistently better than Bertos and how he doesn't start ahead of Daniel is a mystery to me.
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loyalgunner wrote:
If Crowther was on I doubt he'd have performed better (on the contrary I suspect I'd be in hospital suffering from some heart complication) but I think he'd have easily smothered that shot.  He is taller but still, Reddy should have got it.Strange though, a few minutes afterwards Reddy was at full stretch and managed to tip just wide a strange chip by Cristiano (I think) that was headed for the inside of the post.



You can see on Reddy faces, that he's thinking "Damn, I thought it will be away from the goal and I could have stopped that". But to his credit, he learnt straightaway and pull off the save a few minutes afterward in the same type of situation. Hopefully he will continue recognise that same type of shot and account for the margin of error in his career. Can't take things for granted even your own judgement of ball path.


This goal was seen differently by a lot of others to the way you put it

"Adelaide's Brazilian fullback Alemao ignited the game with a stunning 30-metre strike in the 57th minute.....Alemao produced the game's highlight when he collected the ball in midfield, was left unmarked and unleashed his wonder strike into the net for his first goal of the season." 

"Alemao scored for the first time since January 3 when he gathered a loose ball just over the halfway line, dribbled a few metres forward before unleashing an unstoppable 30m drive into the corner of the net."




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Zephyr wrote:
playwithFire wrote:
loyalgunner wrote:

Caceres may have won back a starting spot.


Who to drop though? Sure bertos was sh*te first half, but once we switched out to a 442 he came alive. Perhaps Daniel will drop out, however I like Caceres as a super sub. Always seems to perform better off the bench for me.



Think Caceres has been consistently better than Bertos and how he doesn't start ahead of Daniel is a mystery to me.


Because Caceres can't put in for the full 90 mins and also is allergic to defending

a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yup, Caceres still has a lot to do to get a starting spot...of course anyone should look half decent for the first 5mins after being subbed in after 70 mins
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hepatitis wrote:
loyalgunner wrote:
If Crowther was on I doubt he'd have performed better (on the contrary I suspect I'd be in hospital suffering from some heart complication) but I think he'd have easily smothered that shot.  He is taller but still, Reddy should have got it.Strange though, a few minutes afterwards Reddy was at full stretch and managed to tip just wide a strange chip by Cristiano (I think) that was headed for the inside of the post.



You can see on Reddy faces, that he's thinking "Damn, I thought it will be away from the goal and I could have stopped that". But to his credit, he learnt straightaway and pull off the save a few minutes afterward in the same type of situation. Hopefully he will continue recognise that same type of shot and account for the margin of error in his career. Can't take things for granted even your own judgement of ball path.


This goal was seen differently by a lot of others to the way you put it

"Adelaide's Brazilian fullback Alemao ignited the game with a stunning 30-metre strike in the 57th minute.....Alemao produced the game's highlight when he collected the ball in midfield, was left unmarked and unleashed his wonder strike into the net for his first goal of the season." 

"Alemao scored for the first time since January 3 when he gathered a loose ball just over the halfway line, dribbled a few metres forward before unleashing an unstoppable 30m drive into the corner of the net."






Clowns the lot of them.


People say Caceres is an impact player.  Maybe that's true.  But regardless he should start next week as he'd probably make more of an impact then Daniel regardless of whether he actually did anything.
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He did start the last couple of games and didn't do anything, hence why he dropped back to the bench..


a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He started one, maybe two games recently that I remember.  Even if he does nothing he'll be better than Daniel so there's not really an issue.
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Interesting that, according to last night's commentary, he's 27, played for 11 clubs and hasn't really nailed down a starting spot at any of them. Keep him on the bench, imo.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

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I'd like to see someone better in his place then.  A lazy, useless, overconfident Bertos/Daniel isn't the answer.  Rojas?  Not while I'm still breathing.  Ferrante - certainly not and neither with Diego.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
To be fair Leo was one of our best players in the 2nd half. The team, collectively, was bad for the most of the first.

Daniel didn't have his best game. Seemed to spend most of it on the deck after head clashes..

a.haak

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Not a great game from Daniel last night but if you measure his cumulative contribution to the Nix so far this season he's doing as well as Leo and far better than Caceres and Diego, both of whom are wildly inconsistent.
 
btw, Alemao's goal wasn't Daniel's fault as some have suggested. Daniel could've, maybe should've taken him down from behind and received  the yellow card, but if anything it was Lia ball watching and failing to make an attempt to close Alemao down that enabled him to let fly.
 
Completely unbiased view....
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Lonegunmen wrote:
Still a much better performance from the team last night than at the Ring of Dirt.
 
First half was same old, but last 10min was exciting!!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
daniel has been very average for awhile now.

rojas, so special

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