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Nix vs RADelaide - Back @ the Backbencher

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about 13 years ago

ballane wrote:

Think i must have been at a different game to the one Ricki was at and some of us on here get accused of wearing eye patches.

"I thought, especially the second half, that there were real good shades of the old Phoenix really," said the coach.

"Totally comprehensive, well in control, the only team that were going to win the game."

He really does make one just shake their head at times and go, really

To be honest, I'm more shaking my head and asking 'really?' at your comments far more than at Ricki's. He didn't say that the old Phoenix are back, he said that we showed glimpses of the team that came fourth last year. That performance was head and shoulders above any other performance we have put out this year, and we were all over them for the majority of the second half. Large portions of that half were played down near the Adelaide penalty box, so I don't think he is wrong to say that we were 'in control' at all.

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about 13 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

It is also easy to say bring on  a sub. We really had them under the kosh for quite some time before sub was made. Subs often totally disrupt the flow of a game and I thought leaving things was the right approach at the time.

Agree.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

It is also easy to say bring on  a sub. We really had them under the kosh for quite some time before sub was made. Subs often totally disrupt the flow of a game and I thought leaving things was the right approach at the time.


Thought the same. Sanchez wouldn't of made a difference there. If we weren't creating chances, then sure - but we were creating a lot.

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about 13 years ago

fwiw - didn't think Lia had a bad game yesterday.  He even played a pinpoint pass to Ifill to run on to on the left flank.  Nearly spilled my metaphorical bovril.

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about 13 years ago

I liked the chant someone tried to start up " you might know what your doing"  when Ricki made the subs

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about 13 years ago

 LOL had them under the kosh that much yet we still couldnt score until the sub was made,May not have scored earlier but is interesting it happened after the sub.Glimpses of the team that finished fourth last year,I give up some of you really do live in La La land.Agree head and shoulders above what has been served up this year but still not good enough to make us competitive and a finals chance.


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 13 years ago

 The finals ship has sailed.  What I want to see is a spine and not finishing last.  Yesterday gave me hope for the first time this year.

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about 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

 The finals ship has sailed.  What I want to see is a spine and not finishing last.  Yesterday gave me hope for the first time this year.


This. Then id like to see a cull - downey, smith, lia & sanchez gone. Two central midfielders brought in, an actual right back & screw it a marquee of the nicolas anelka variety


Ha


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about 13 years ago

ballane wrote:

 LOL had them under the kosh that much yet we still couldnt score until the sub was made,May not have scored earlier but is interesting it happened after the sub.Glimpses of the team that finished fourth last year,I give up some of you really do live in La La land.Agree head and shoulders above what has been served up this year but still not good enough to make us competitive and a finals chance.


Just offering an opinion!!. How many times has a sub been made in a match and it disrupts all flow.  When the continued pressing still did not pay dividends the sub was then made.  Also for what it is worth, I don't think Waffles had a huge impact on the goal being scored, although I have not yet watched a replay.


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about 13 years ago

 What are the chances of keeping Gameiro?

An attack of Ifill, Hernandez and Gameiro wouldn't be half bad.



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about 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

 Lia won't go.



Don't think Lia should go either. A handy squad player who can provide cover in two positions and the hardest or second hardest tackler in our team.

I think last year we rushed into changes and didn't replace players. CCM for example adds a player here or there and one or two leaves, but the integrity and strength of the squad remains. It's not just about quality, but also about integrating the players into the team. I think this year we've definitely had the quality, but for one reason or another they haven't gelled.


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 I didn't say he shouldn't leave, I said he won't :-)  

As for Gamiero the last I read he was hoping to tear up at the U20 WC and get a deal beyond the A-League.

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about 13 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

ballane wrote:

 LOL had them under the kosh that much yet we still couldnt score until the sub was made,May not have scored earlier but is interesting it happened after the sub.Glimpses of the team that finished fourth last year,I give up some of you really do live in La La land.Agree head and shoulders above what has been served up this year but still not good enough to make us competitive and a finals chance.


Just offering an opinion!!. How many times has a sub been made in a match and it disrupts all flow.  When the continued pressing still did not pay dividends the sub was then made.  Also for what it is worth, I don't think Waffles had a huge impact on the goal being scored, although I have not yet watched a replay.
 
Was his header down that Gameiro volleyed. If I remember it correctly.

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about 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

ballane wrote:

Think i must have been at a different game to the one Ricki was at and some of us on here get accused of wearing eye patches.

"I thought, especially the second half, that there were real good shades of the old Phoenix really," said the coach.

"Totally comprehensive, well in control, the only team that were going to win the game."

He really does make one just shake their head at times and go, really

To be honest, I'm more shaking my head and asking 'really?' at your comments far more than at Ricki's. He didn't say that the old Phoenix are back, he said that we showed glimpses of the team that came fourth last year. That performance was head and shoulders above any other performance we have put out this year, and we were all over them for the majority of the second half. Large portions of that half were played down near the Adelaide penalty box, so I don't think he is wrong to say that we were 'in control' at all.
We were seriously aided by that red card. I thought Adelaide were reasonably comfortable up until then. Adelaide did do their absolute best to drop points in the game, Galekovic error, Valkanis substituting Juric for Watson and putting Vidosic up front (one of their best and didn't get on the ball as much) and then McKain with the red.
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about 13 years ago

Bullion wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

ballane wrote:

Think i must have been at a different game to the one Ricki was at and some of us on here get accused of wearing eye patches.

"I thought, especially the second half, that there were real good shades of the old Phoenix really," said the coach.

"Totally comprehensive, well in control, the only team that were going to win the game."

He really does make one just shake their head at times and go, really

To be honest, I'm more shaking my head and asking 'really?' at your comments far more than at Ricki's. He didn't say that the old Phoenix are back, he said that we showed glimpses of the team that came fourth last year. That performance was head and shoulders above any other performance we have put out this year, and we were all over them for the majority of the second half. Large portions of that half were played down near the Adelaide penalty box, so I don't think he is wrong to say that we were 'in control' at all.
We were seriously aided by that red card. I thought Adelaide were reasonably comfortable up until then. Adelaide did do their absolute best to drop points in the game, Galekovic error, Valkanis substituting Juric for Watson and putting Vidosic up front (one of their best and didn't get on the ball as much) and then McKain with the red.
We were well on top even in the 15 minutes leading up to the red card. It's not like we were shit before the red and great after it.

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about 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Bullion wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

ballane wrote:

Think i must have been at a different game to the one Ricki was at and some of us on here get accused of wearing eye patches.

"I thought, especially the second half, that there were real good shades of the old Phoenix really," said the coach.

"Totally comprehensive, well in control, the only team that were going to win the game."

He really does make one just shake their head at times and go, really

To be honest, I'm more shaking my head and asking 'really?' at your comments far more than at Ricki's. He didn't say that the old Phoenix are back, he said that we showed glimpses of the team that came fourth last year. That performance was head and shoulders above any other performance we have put out this year, and we were all over them for the majority of the second half. Large portions of that half were played down near the Adelaide penalty box, so I don't think he is wrong to say that we were 'in control' at all.
We were seriously aided by that red card. I thought Adelaide were reasonably comfortable up until then. Adelaide did do their absolute best to drop points in the game, Galekovic error, Valkanis substituting Juric for Watson and putting Vidosic up front (one of their best and didn't get on the ball as much) and then McKain with the red.
We were well on top even in the 15 minutes leading up to the red card. It's not like we were shit before the red and great after it.
Adelaide were still comfortable until the send off. We didn't have one shot on target in the 2nd half until after the sending off, and not one attempt in the 12 min prior to the sending off. Our first attempt after the sending off was at the 74th min and had a total of 7 shots after the send off.
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about 13 years ago

We built this city on "croc" and 'ro.

A fan is a fan.

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about 13 years ago

Bullion wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Bullion wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

ballane wrote:

Think i must have been at a different game to the one Ricki was at and some of us on here get accused of wearing eye patches.

"I thought, especially the second half, that there were real good shades of the old Phoenix really," said the coach.

"Totally comprehensive, well in control, the only team that were going to win the game."

He really does make one just shake their head at times and go, really

To be honest, I'm more shaking my head and asking 'really?' at your comments far more than at Ricki's. He didn't say that the old Phoenix are back, he said that we showed glimpses of the team that came fourth last year. That performance was head and shoulders above any other performance we have put out this year, and we were all over them for the majority of the second half. Large portions of that half were played down near the Adelaide penalty box, so I don't think he is wrong to say that we were 'in control' at all.
We were seriously aided by that red card. I thought Adelaide were reasonably comfortable up until then. Adelaide did do their absolute best to drop points in the game, Galekovic error, Valkanis substituting Juric for Watson and putting Vidosic up front (one of their best and didn't get on the ball as much) and then McKain with the red.
We were well on top even in the 15 minutes leading up to the red card. It's not like we were shit before the red and great after it.
Adelaide were still comfortable until the send off.
This but im guessing that dosnt matter as apparantly we were well on top.

Seems this season many  are prepared to accept much lower standards than previously.Which is fine but spoke to number at the stadium on saturday who dont post on the forums and seems to me there are plenty who are very unhappy how we are going.And slight improvements on form that has been rubbish mostly sure dosnt make things better.

Sadly i really fear what our crowd will be Wednesday

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about 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Bullion wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

ballane wrote:

Think i must have been at a different game to the one Ricki was at and some of us on here get accused of wearing eye patches.

"I thought, especially the second half, that there were real good shades of the old Phoenix really," said the coach.

"Totally comprehensive, well in control, the only team that were going to win the game."

He really does make one just shake their head at times and go, really

To be honest, I'm more shaking my head and asking 'really?' at your comments far more than at Ricki's. He didn't say that the old Phoenix are back, he said that we showed glimpses of the team that came fourth last year. That performance was head and shoulders above any other performance we have put out this year, and we were all over them for the majority of the second half. Large portions of that half were played down near the Adelaide penalty box, so I don't think he is wrong to say that we were 'in control' at all.
We were seriously aided by that red card. I thought Adelaide were reasonably comfortable up until then. Adelaide did do their absolute best to drop points in the game, Galekovic error, Valkanis substituting Juric for Watson and putting Vidosic up front (one of their best and didn't get on the ball as much) and then McKain with the red.
We were well on top even in the 15 minutes leading up to the red card. It's not like we were shit before the red and great after it.

To be fair, Adelaide were sitting on their lead in the second half, and were doing it pretty comfortably until the last 10-15 minutes of the game. 
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about 13 years ago

Jag wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

ballane wrote:

 LOL had them under the kosh that much yet we still couldnt score until the sub was made,May not have scored earlier but is interesting it happened after the sub.Glimpses of the team that finished fourth last year,I give up some of you really do live in La La land.Agree head and shoulders above what has been served up this year but still not good enough to make us competitive and a finals chance.


Just offering an opinion!!. How many times has a sub been made in a match and it disrupts all flow.  When the continued pressing still did not pay dividends the sub was then made.  Also for what it is worth, I don't think Waffles had a huge impact on the goal being scored, although I have not yet watched a replay.
 
Was his header down that Gameiro volleyed. If I remember it correctly.


You do remember correctly.

It was refreshing to see a header knocked down to another player because everyone else in the team seems to try and get a header on goal regardless of whether they are one yard out or 18 yards out, and regardless of whether it's possible to get a modicum of power into said header.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 13 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

It is also easy to say bring on  a sub. We really had them under the kosh for quite some time before sub was made. Subs often totally disrupt the flow of a game and I thought leaving things was the right approach at the time.


Agreed. 

Also, I get so sick of hearing "Ricki only ever makes subs at X" after every game.  For a while it was "at 65 minutes", then it was "60" then he got criticised for making a sub before half time, now its "at 72".  
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about 13 years ago

It really was 60 for ages, but it's crept up to even later recently.

You have to admit a halftime sub is a VERY rare event in the Ricki management handbook?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 13 years ago

 Or any management handbook

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about 13 years ago

He subbed Cernak off at 26 mins against the Roar...


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about 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

 Or any management handbook



Not really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

He subbed Cernak off at 26 mins against the Roar...




You know that doesn't count...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

He subbed Cernak off at 26 mins against the Roar...




You know that doesn't count...
<winky emoticon>

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about 13 years ago

Ricki's subs this year.

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about 13 years ago

I love a good chart. What's the average time of a sub there 2nd Best?

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about 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

So the verdict seems to be were even in the first half and dominant for most of the second and even for the rest.

My maths suggests that is an overall balance in our favour, is my maths wrong?

Hnag on, that must be against one of the forum rules - positivity.... banstick for you.....surely
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about 13 years ago

What is the average time of the FIRST sub though. That is the question.

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about 13 years ago

 71 minutes if you exclude the 26th minute sub

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about 13 years ago

ballane wrote:

Bullion wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Bullion wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

ballane wrote:

Think i must have been at a different game to the one Ricki was at and some of us on here get accused of wearing eye patches.

"I thought, especially the second half, that there were real good shades of the old Phoenix really," said the coach.

"Totally comprehensive, well in control, the only team that were going to win the game."

He really does make one just shake their head at times and go, really

To be honest, I'm more shaking my head and asking 'really?' at your comments far more than at Ricki's. He didn't say that the old Phoenix are back, he said that we showed glimpses of the team that came fourth last year. That performance was head and shoulders above any other performance we have put out this year, and we were all over them for the majority of the second half. Large portions of that half were played down near the Adelaide penalty box, so I don't think he is wrong to say that we were 'in control' at all.
We were seriously aided by that red card. I thought Adelaide were reasonably comfortable up until then. Adelaide did do their absolute best to drop points in the game, Galekovic error, Valkanis substituting Juric for Watson and putting Vidosic up front (one of their best and didn't get on the ball as much) and then McKain with the red.
We were well on top even in the 15 minutes leading up to the red card. It's not like we were shit before the red and great after it.
Adelaide were still comfortable until the send off.
This but im guessing that dosnt matter as apparantly we were well on top.

Seems this season many  are prepared to accept much lower standards than previously.Which is fine but spoke to number at the stadium on saturday who dont post on the forums and seems to me there are plenty who are very unhappy how we are going.And slight improvements on form that has been rubbish mostly sure dosnt make things better.

Sadly i really fear what our crowd will be Wednesday

Well when you find the "big red sudden improvement button" be sure to give it a push and let Ricki know
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about 13 years ago


How about this one?  It's red.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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about 13 years ago

I enjoyed my two hours in the sun yesterday watching the football.

What surprised me the most is how much hunger/emotion Gameiro displayed after he scored his goal. And suddenly it clicked! Where is that drive, hunger, passion, emotion what ever you want to call it throughout the rest of the team including the coach? (goneeeeeee)

Where is that hunger from those players who are off contract at the end of the season? Are they already resigned to the fact they are outa here at the end of the season or that they are comfortable they are safe and there is no one to replace them? There are playing for contracts - their livelyhood!

Had to laugh at the YF chanting 'ricki give us a sub' a few minutes after the after the red card was issued.


I'll be missing Wednesday nights game due to a work function (might be able to sneak off to the second half, fingers x'ed)

Masters Grade aint no run in the park on a Saturday...

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about 13 years ago

Classic Ricki. 70min sub......



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about 13 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

Classic Ricki. 70min sub......

At least he made the right sub for a change.

A half time change would be a better and so telling everyone what he expects from the move but hey we are talking about a ultra conservative stale coach with few ideas who gained fame by turning a very average national side into a hard nut. With the help of patriotism and underdog mongrel.

He can't seem to even find that with the Nix. Maybe because he has to make it happen, it isn't handed to him by a country.

He signs the players, he coaches the players. 10th is his and what he's given to the fans

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about 13 years ago

NEWSFLASH:::: Probably 90-95% of First subs in a game of football occur between the 60th and 70th minutes aside from those for reasons of injury

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sthn.jeff wrote:

NEWSFLASH:::: Probably 90-95% of First subs in a game of football occur between the 60th and 70th minutes aside from those for reasons of injury


Exactly. Daniel coming on in the 70th without fail was always worth a laugh


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