What's the truth in this, why did the Nix suddenly pull out???????
Anyone know, last week it was a proposal into the FFA waiting for their decision, this week it's the Nix that have pulled the pin. Doesn't sound right to me? How about you?
National Youth League Deferred...deferred, DEFERRED, deferred.
(Canberra) Capital Football regrets to announce that the Wellington Phoenix's proposal of basing a National Youth League team in Canberra for this coming season has been deferred for 12 months at the request of the Hyundai A-League franchise.
The Phoenix outlined in a letter to the Football Federation of Australia that their main priority for the 2008/09 season will be to "develop the club within the A-League and Wellington and grow their membership, sponsors and revenue before embarking on the project"
Capital Football CEO, Heather Reid, is disappointed by the decision but understands why the decision was made.
"It's a shame that the Phoenix came to this decision but we have to remember the Wellington franchise only made their Hyundai A-League debut last season so they're looking to further settle themselves before joining the National Youth League," Reid said.
It was proposed last month that the Phoenix were interested in expanding their franchise by setting up an Under 21's team in Canberra for the inaugural year of the new development league.
Capital Football will continue to fully support and build on this application of a proposed National Youth League team in Canberra for the 2009/10 season.
"It's unfortunately but it's not all bad news, Capital Football has since established a close relationship with the Wellington Phoenix and together we will to continue to work towards establishing a youth team in Canberra next year," Reid confidently said.
Focus can now turn towards this weekend's Project Coordination Federation Cup finals and the commencement of the Men's Premier League and Women's Club Pink Premier League kicking off on the 19th and 26th April respectively.
"Football must go on in the nation's capital and what better way to do so than celebrate at the final of the longest running football tournament in the ACT this weekend, the Project Coordination Federation Cup on Sunday, and the season kicking off for an expected 17,000 registered participants in the next couple of weeks," Reid said.
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disappointing, no news that i'm aware of over here yet
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If it is true - whilst disappointing - it would be understandable. I think it would be very wise to consolidate for a year or so after just entering the A-league last season. Many businesses that grow too fast come a gutser. The Nix must be a huge investment for Terry - getting the Nix to breakeven or better will be a much more solid and sustainable platform to launch a youth team off.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Seems quite stupid to me. We push the idea for months and then back out at the 11th hour?
Very idiotic. A bit embarrassing actually. You would think that someone would have checked out the logistics before venturing into the idea.
Very idiotic. A bit embarrassing actually. You would think that someone would have checked out the logistics before venturing into the idea.
a.haak
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The whole thing requires a stack of assumptions though valeo, we don't know how much notice the Phoenix had of the announcement or that they were excluded. Maybe they had to get a hand up to make sure they weren't forgotten while they evaluated it.
I suspect we put out hand up, evaluated it and realised it wasn't financially viable. Some times these decisions have to be made, and I don't think we can get stuck in to the club without knowing the full facts.
Hard News2008-04-12 23:01:01
I suspect we put out hand up, evaluated it and realised it wasn't financially viable. Some times these decisions have to be made, and I don't think we can get stuck in to the club without knowing the full facts.
Hard News2008-04-12 23:01:01
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I agree Hrad News, there was a deadline and if we hadnt put up our habd we hadnt have got anywhere near this close to Canberra. The fact they have established this close relationship over there now stands us in good stead for the following year.
Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro and Wellington Phoenix, my two teams til death do us part.
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Well next time round they should have a better idea what is needed for the application having got some strong and fair feedback. It must be a good decision to recognise that they were not up to it and back off for next time. Better than having a rejection and then expecting a chance next time on the back of that decision. Consolidation is a fair assessment for the Nix club now.
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Football in Wellington has never been as good as we are now. Even if you look back to the days of having National League depth, (Western Suburbs, Stopout, Hungaria, and later WDU and Miramar, we now have a professional team with good support and a provincial team competing with the best. How often have you heard of companies growing too big to soon. Priorities of survival for the Phoenix have to be success and depth. Development of youth football is the National bodies job. With the total turnaround at the top, there is going to be a massive workload on the new national body to turn this around but that does not mean that the Phoenix should have to inherit national youth development at this stage of its short career. Having said that, in the future it should be seen as the path forward, but not yet.
We're Forever Causing Trouble
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Football in Wellington has never been as good as we are now. Even if you look back to the days of having National League depth, (Western Suburbs, Stopout, Hungaria, and later WDU and Miramar, we now have a professional team with good support and a provincial team competing with the best. How often have you heard of companies growing too big to soon. Priorities of survival for the Phoenix have to be success and depth. Development of youth football is the National bodies job. With the total turnaround at the top, there is going to be a massive workload on the new national body to turn this around but that does not mean that the Phoenix should have to inherit national youth development at this stage of its short career. Having said that, in the future it should be seen as the path forward, but not yet.
Sometimes you just have to take the foot off the pedal and check you're still on the right road.
Speed isn't everything. No one will remember how fast you did the job, but how well you did it.
Now, if the old Knights management had done something like this, we'd all wait for the sky to fall. And it probably would have.
Thank goodness those semi-pro/amateurish days are behind us.
I suspect with the "wise heads" leading the club that this will have been a well considered move.
I'm backing the Nix to have made the right decision!
scribbler2008-04-13 17:22:46
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Oh well, a chance for Costa to shine on the real stage from time to time??
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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I think it was a silly idea to start with. Welly should just have a second side play in the NZ competition and put all the players that aren't getting a go, like Greg Draper in there.
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I think it was a silly idea to start with. Welly should just have a second side play in the NZ competition and put all the players that aren't getting a go, like Greg Draper in there.
You call the idea silly without researching anything and then propose a 'silly' idea yourself - good work.
We cannot put a team into the NZFC because every time a player moved from that team to the Phoenix and vice versa it would count as an international transfer. (We are seen as an 'Australian' club) You are only allowed 2 in a season AFAIK.
a.haak
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i think its a good idea this seson is about getting into top 4 then we can focus on other stuff
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I can understand the reason the Phoenix pulled the plug on the youth comp....not really enough time to get it up and going.
However it does leave the Phoenix at a disadvantage for this season. The other A-League teams will get to play 4 of their squad in the youth league. Great for getting fringe players in shape, plus giving your youngsters regular game time.
How much game time did Costa, Draper and Spoonley get last season...sweet FA!!!!!
Players of that age need tough regular football to develop. They should be playing 20 to 25 games a season. We need the Phoenix in the youth comp and the sooner the better.
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Though if we get a long term injury we can bring in someone good - other teams have to draw from their youth sides.
(or has this farcical 'rule' been changed?)
valeo2008-04-13 20:46:57
(or has this farcical 'rule' been changed?)
valeo2008-04-13 20:46:57
a.haak
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Supposedly it's been changed to youth players.
Doesn't apply to us. I'd love us to go berserk on it, spend a HUGE amount on some high profile player as injury cover just to prove how stupid it is having different rules for different sides.
Doesn't apply to us. I'd love us to go berserk on it, spend a HUGE amount on some high profile player as injury cover just to prove how stupid it is having different rules for different sides.
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Don't know if this has been mentioned or not but i think that it would of been a definite plus if the Phoenix teamed up with the AIS in Canberra, only disappointing thing out of this all is that there is gonna be a bye in each fixture..
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How about the Nix explore the possibility of getting some form of dispensation from FIFA (because of our exceptional circumstances) and have a youth team participate in the NZFC with the ability to move players between NZFC and A League as and when needed?
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Napier Phoenix2008-04-14 14:38:12
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Napier Phoenix2008-04-14 14:39:10
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Napier Phoenix2008-04-14 14:39:39
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Bugger it, don't know the word for 5.... added something new at the end instead.
How about the Nix explore the possibility of getting some form of dispensation from FIFA (because of our exceptional circumstances) and have a youth team participate in the NZFC with the ability to move players between NZFC and A League as and when needed? standard of football perhaps not as high but enables us to keep our youth players at home and on less money.
Napier Phoenix2008-04-14 14:40:52
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Judging by the track record the management have so far, I think the decision would have been pondered at length before yanking the youth side idea. Its obvious we want to be involved and it would benefit NZ kids, the Phoenix as well as some Aussie kids as compensation for having us in there.
Its a shame its not happening because there are some fantastic youngsters out there however wise heads run that show so I'm cool with it.
Its a shame its not happening because there are some fantastic youngsters out there however wise heads run that show so I'm cool with it.
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that's an impressive cyber-stutter you've got there NP
(quintuple, was the word you were after, just in case it happens again and again and 
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Judging by the track record the management have so far, I think the decision would have been pondered at length before yanking the youth side idea. Its obvious we want to be involved and it would benefit NZ kids, the Phoenix as well as some Aussie kids as compensation for having us in there.
Its a shame its not happening because there are some fantastic youngsters out there however wise heads run that show so I'm cool with it.
Its a shame its not happening because there are some fantastic youngsters out there however wise heads run that show so I'm cool with it.
It'd be 95% Aussie kids i'd say - we'd get 1 or 2 kids in there but the biggest thing is being able to put players coming back from injury into that team.
a.haak
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http://www.stuff.net.nz/4479749a1823.html
Timing not right for Phoenix youth
By FRED WOODCOCK - The Dominion Post | Tuesday, 15 April 2008
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A lack of time is the major factor forcing Wellington Phoenix to ditch plans to field a team in the A-League's inaugural youth football league this season.
The Phoenix were initially left out of the competition, to be played between A-League clubs, because Football Federation Australia did not believe it should be developing New Zealand youth.
But the Phoenix launched a bid to have a franchise team based in Canberra, combining youth players from both countries and giving up to four Phoenix first-team players vital match time during the season, which the FFA was interested in.
However, the club has shelved those plans, seen as critical to the long-term development of the Phoenix, till next season.
"In terms of logistics, it was going to be hard to get it up and running in such a short amount of time, and we really want to concentrate on the first team this season," Phoenix chief executive Tony Pignata said.
"Maybe if we'd thought of the idea last October there would've been enough time.
"We need to have a squad of 10-12 based in Canberra and, logistically, how do we manage that, and how do we top it up with the squad here?"
Pignata said the FFA was happy to advance talks to the next stage but the Phoenix needed another year to "get it right".
He admitted not having a youth team could be a disadvantage to the club. "We'll need to work with the FFA to make sure that, if we do have players to come in as injury replacements, how do we go about it? My understanding is that we can just replace as per last season, whereas the other clubs have to rely on their squad. So it could work to our advantage as well."
The Phoenix, however, remain in no-man's-land regarding the Club World Cup.
Fifa has said they could compete in the O-League but, should they win it, they would not be allowed to represent Oceania at the Club World Cup because they play in an Asian league (the A-League).
But the Phoenix are also unable to progress through the Asian Champions League should they win the A-League, because they are based in Oceania.
"It mystifies me a little bit as to where we sit," Pignata said.
Oceania Football Confederation is appealing to Fifa, which has previously stated that the region must be represented by a fully professional team.
"We'll see what Oceania come back with," Pignata said. "Our choice is the O-League, but if that door is shut then we'll see what can happen with Asia."
Meanwhile, teenager Costa Barbarouses will join New South Wales Premier League club Macarthur Rams till July to get some much-needed minutes under his belt. He joins recently released defender Steven Old at the club.
And Pignata confirmed he was in discussions with several Victorian Premier League clubs about striker Greg Draper also getting a stint in Australia before the A-League season starts in August. Draper, like Barbarouses, saw little match time last season.
Meanwhile, goalkeeper Jacob Spoonley, released by the Phoenix several weeks ago, could be in line for a trial with English club Derby County.
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