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NZ talent to scarce for Phoenix

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
NZ talent to scarce for Phoenix
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The new Wellington Phoenix football franchise will have to follow the Warriors' lead and hire Australians.

The All Whites' 0-4 and 0-5 drubbings against Costa Rica and Venezuela have revealed what many New Zealand soccer insiders have known for some time � there is not enough Kiwi talent to staff a successful homegrown A-League team this season.

The "displays" in San Jose and Maracaibo were the worst by the All Whites team since John Adshead's lads were thrashed 8-1 by Dundee in 1979. We should reserve judgment on the All Whites until they play with Ryan Nelsen, Simon Elliott and Chris Killen. But, despite the good work being done in development programmes, New Zealand soccer doesn't seem to be producing attacking players of Michael McGarry's or Wynton Rufer's class. How many of the current All Whites could cut the mustard in the A-League? Precious few.

Midfielder David Mulligan (Sc**thorpe United) and promising young striker Chris James (Fulham reserves) aren't likely to quit their English clubs to return to New Zealand. Of the other touring All Whites, only Leo Bertos, who made his mark at Perth Glory last year, would be good enough to command a regular place at another A-League club.

Ivan Vicelich has made a good living in the Dutch first division for seven seasons. But he was poor on this tour.

All Whites captain Danny Hay has been talking about securing a deal to commute to the Phoenix from his Auckland home. By now Hay should have had an ultimate from Ricki Herbert � head coach of the All Whites and the Phoenix: "If you want to be a Phoenix player, get your chuff down to Wellington and train every day with everyone else." Hay should also see a sprint coach.

Defender Noah Hickey and Che Bunce have severe technical limitations, while the much-touted young centreback Steven Old is yet to prove he has the physical presence and positional sense possessed by a long line of Kiwi stoppers from Herbert, to Ceri Evans and Nelsen.

Even Jeremy Brockie's young career is at a crossroads at age 19 after his Sydney FC sojourn, where he saw virtually no game time. He has not made the impact expected in an All Whites jersey.

Brockie (if he still qualifies) should be one of the Phoenix's under-20 signings, behind the most talented young player in New Zealand, Wellington's New Zealand under-17 team captain and striker Costa Barbarouses.

Goalkeeper Mark Paston performed well for the New Zealand Knights during Herbert's late-season rescue mission. He made a couple of good reflex saves on tour, but seemed to suffer a lack of concentration. Herbert worked wonders with the Knights in his short stint in charge. But it shouldn't be forgotten that while the Kiwis showed some courage, the key catalysts behind the turnaround were overseas players, principally Ivory Coast midfielder Jonas Salley, veteran English utility Neil Emblen and Chinese midfielder Leilei Gao.

The ultimate, long-term goal of the Wellington Phoenix must be to win the A-League with a homegrown team. But Serepisos and Herbert have to field a side that's competitive from the outset.

They should not forget the past or they will risk repeating it. The ill-starred Football Kingz adopted a largely-local approach in the old Australian National Soccer League and "won" two wooden spoons while never seriously threatening to break into the play-offs bracket.

The Phoenix fish-heads are hampered by the fact only three spots on the 23-man roster are available to imports. The rest have to be Kiwis or Australians. Three must be aged under 20. Brockie and Barbarouses should fill two of them.

As much as it sticks in the Kiwi craw, the Phoenix will have to do what Ivan Cleary has done at the Warriors � build a foundation based on Australian players. That won't be easy. The other A-League teams have had a head start at recruiting.

Ten to 12 Australians, three quality imports from further afield (preferably South American or European flair players who might like to stay and become eligible for the All Whites) would be a good base. The best of the available All Whites should be offered decent deals.

The wannabes (most of the recent tourists) should be on short-term, basic-rate contracts until they prove themselves.

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All Whites tour is a worry - and getting our hands on a few quality foreigners in key positions is a must - but no need to panic given Costa Rica and Venez. THe likes of Bertos and Brown have both delivered at A-League level - so no reason why they and others wouldnt do so for Phoenix.
 
Kiwi players are important to franchise, esp its long term future, but the Phoenix - first and foremost - has to be about winning games, not developing All Whiles.
 
If we are going to get foreigners, lets be bloomin smart about it - Knights and Kingz bought to much rubbish on assumption any foreginer would do a better job than any Kiwi. That was misguided and probably reflects the UK-centric focus of much of our football hierarchy (although that is slowly changing).
Marius Lakatush2007-04-01 20:33:55
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Those for non-New Zealand signing may yet be crucial. This is a strong league - having the whole New Zealand team might likely not be enough. 
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I agree.

We need about 10 Kiwis, 9 Aussies, 4 Imports
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
four brazillians and at least ten New Zealanders who lived in Brazil for at least a decade.
 
If it's good enough for league to pretend Aussies have NZ grand parents it's good enough for us providng we don't get caught
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I notice the usual clap trap from the media going on about how the team needs to be full of kiwis. What rubbish. The team needs to be full of classy players. Who gives a mental where they come from so long as;
1. We meet the FAA rules, and
2. They're top quality players who work hard.
 
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To be honest Phil... we're allowed 4 imports and there are 7 Australian sides full of Australia's best.  Our best plan is unlikely to be to fill the team with the players that got chucked or never made the Australian A-League sides so what we have left is a decent band of New Zealand players.

We're already behind all the other sides for recruitment in Australia, so we need to use our advantage and that is that New Zealand players don't count torwards our foreign player cap, whereas they do count towards Australian based A-League clubs.

The first season Knights tried a side with English imports and then trying to fill the gaps with the Australian players unwanted by the other A-League sides, it was a Shambles.

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Hard News wrote:
To be honest Phil... we're allowed 4 imports and there are 7 Australian sides full of Australia's best.  Our best plan is unlikely to be to fill the team with the players that got chucked or never made the Australian A-League sides so what we have left is a decent band of New Zealand players.

We're already behind all the other sides for recruitment in Australia, so we need to use our advantage and that is that New Zealand players don't count torwards our foreign player cap, whereas they do count towards Australian based A-League clubs.

The first season Knights tried a side with English imports and then trying to fill the gaps with the Australian players unwanted by the other A-League sides, it was a Shambles.
 
Good points there Hard-news. I wonder if it'd be possible then to make an arrangement with TWellington as a feeder/ reserve side?  At least then the guys that were'nt making the first team would still be playing regular compettivie football and it would help som eof th eyounger local based players match themselves against the A-League contenders. .
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Mentioned this in one of the other threads.  That presents issues of it's own due to FIFA's international transfer rules.  If you move from the A-League (an Australian competition) to the NZFC or vice-versa you make an international transfer between two countries. 

Under FIFA rules you are only allowed one international transfer in a 12 month period so if you drop back, or move up you can't come back until the next season.  It would be nice if it was an easy fix, but I don't see FIFA changing the world rules just to suit us...

How's my driving? - Whine here

almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
TBH, I would prefer a competitive team over a homegrown team.

Say, with 11 starters, 4-5 kiwis and the rest foreign?
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Look out for Sth Amercians siging for Phonenix. Chile and Colo Colo in particular.
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Marcelo Salas as our Marquee ?  I know he's been shopped around A-League sides by an agent...

Do we detect the Sandoval influence ?

How's my driving? - Whine here

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It would be good to have a Chilean player. Colo-Colo is a top club so if we could get anything from there I'd be happy.
 
Do you know something we dont TF?
almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hang on that post was me - but under someone else's login
 
Ricki was keen to sniff around Chile. The young Colo Colo player could be long shot though
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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
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