One man / Two jobs?
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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This was the continuation of a posting in NZFC
/OCL, that is probably heading in the wrong direction for that
forum. I've stuck it here because I think it is important, given
the current penchant for folk to question the do-ability of Ricki
Herbert's jobs. Whaddaya reckon?
Originally posted by
sanday
Bunce really stuck it to Herbert. I am still not convinced that Herbert managing both teams is in the best interests of New Zealand football. Time will tell.
Bunce really stuck it to Herbert. I am still not convinced that Herbert managing both teams is in the best interests of New Zealand football. Time will tell.
I have my doubts on this too, like I'm sure everyone here has
if they are really honest. I mean, the season is a couple of months
away, but even now Ricki has to put on his AWs hat and put The Nix
to the back of his mind while the national side play a couple of
games in Europe. Then he's back here and the AWs hat comes off and
The Nix one goes back on. Not only is it an impossible stressful
situation to be in, but there are issues of conflict of
interest, no matter what anyone says.
However...
If anyone in NZ football can make it work (fnarr, fnarr) it is
Ricki Herbert. I've known him for a number of years. We are
not mates or anything - in fact if you asked him my name he'd
probably look at your blankly - but I've had cause to deal with him
and talk to him over time and he has an energy and a passion that
is infectious, and he is also a thoroughly decent man. His
knowledge of the game is first-rate and he has played at a level
that a lot of our players will never reach. He knows what it is
like to be one of them - a player - in both positive and negative
situations. And this is why I think everyone needs to look beyond
the obvious "two jobs/one man" argument and give him total support.
In a short while we may well be chanting his name from
rooftops.
And finally, the last really decent man (IMHO) that was in
such a position in NZ was a certain Keith Pritchett. He was shafted
bigtime by a lot of folk in NZ and the loss of Keith from the top
echelon of football in New Zealand was far greater than a lot of
people think. Let's not let the same happen to Ricki Herbert, we
can't afford to lose people of this calibre.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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One can argue this either way. In theory, yes, it could be
dire to have one person doing jobs because of the conflict of
interest thing. In theory, it could also be brilliant,
because of the cross-over knowledge from the two football
teams in NZ that play at the highest level. But that's the
point - it is a theoretical discussion. The real proof will
be in the on-field record of the Phoenix and the All Whites.
Ricki is a brave man to take on the two roles, given our track
record, and apparent willingness, in NZ soccer, to rip into those
who are trying to make things happen.
But your central point is the key one. Ricki needs &
deserves the support of all football supporters in NZ.
In a sense, we (the fans) can make him having two jobs part of
the problem - part of the beginning of tearing him down. Why
would we do this?
Ricki's job is not going to be easy. He is not
super-human. He engineered some remarkable results at the
Knights late last year (with pretty much the same players who'd
failed previously). That bodes well. But the recent All
Whites tour shows there are limits to what even a good coach can
do. One needs to have players of a certain
skill, fitness & effort level, as well!
All power to Ricki - I hope he can juggle the two roles.
We all need him to succeed.
football tragic for too long
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How bad can it be with the limited budget NZ Football have we get
such limited training of All Whites squads. At least Ricki will be
able to spend greater time on the dual role players. Maybe we will
see All Whites play like they know the style of the players around
them.
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if your all complaining then get a team of 10 coaches to do both
jobs with sherbert overlooking everything.
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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Other than the time the All Whites are on tour does any body know
how long they train together as a full squad. I doubt it would be
any great number of days.
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With the international schedule of a team like the All-Whites
(watches the tumbleweed fly past) it shouldn't be impossible.
FourFourTwo suggested that there be an Australia "A" team,
basically a reserve Socceroos side to play against the All-Whites a
few times a year to give the kids international experience.
How many games a year do they actually play, excluding OFC and WC qualifying tournaments, etc?
How many games a year do they actually play, excluding OFC and WC qualifying tournaments, etc?
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As ive said elsewhere, The hard work for WPFC is almost done,
RECRUITMENT. he has the squad signed/about to sign/targetted. not
much more to do in that respect.
his assistants in both sides will take a bit of the work off which is how it should be.
hopefully he uses this time with Welly to turn a young potential AW into a class player we need.
i think, and hope he could be successful with both.
his assistants in both sides will take a bit of the work off which is how it should be.
hopefully he uses this time with Welly to turn a young potential AW into a class player we need.
i think, and hope he could be successful with both.
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He should only do one job it is to hard to manage.
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I think one man one team and give up the all whites job mate
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One man one team (Nix's)and a group of part time National players
is all we have. With the lack of interest from players to play for
their country maybe the Nix's need a 3rd and 4th kit in National
colours.(All Whites cancel Ukraine match due to lack of
players
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Phoenix aren't Man U (thankfully) and the All Whites aren't
Brazil (unfortunately). Combine the to jobs and there are
still plenty of tougher jobs in world football. I don't think
the question should be can one man do it,. the question is can the
two groups of coaches, etc, put together for the two jobs do
it. They should be able to.
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i know of a man who can do 13 jobs.
ARCHIE THOMPSON
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With the number of games the all whites play it shouldn't be a
problem except in a world cup qualification year where it would get
a little bit complicated. It's really for the owners/bosses to
decide if he is managing either team satisfactorily. Having met the
guy and watched how he operates I don't think it will be a problem.
All the discussion will achieve is to stress him out, so let's
leave him to get on with the job. Given the 2-2 draw with Wales
overnight I think he's doing OK so far - Che Bunce can start
heating those words up 'cos I have a feeling he's gonna have to eat
them.
What's sight without sound? Love without peace? Copulation without conception?
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I believe he can do a great role in both jobs, certainly this
season (carrying on from the end of last season with the Knights)
with the Phoenix - he's done very well so far with the initial set
up, media and his signings. He will possibly look to
relenquish the AW role after this or next season to concentrate on
the soon to be mighty 'Nix. He will then have the set up in
place to work on the essential players for the AW's in the
professional environment of the 'Nix.
Success ahead for all parties, for Ricki, for the mighty 'Nix,
a return to the spotlight for the AW's and for NZ football in the
next fews years and a major wiiner for us the fans.....cos how damn
good does it feel when your teams are winning....and winning with
style......
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Call me a cynic, but I don't really get how drawing to a second
team of a 75th ranked Welsh team rates as that positive, I mean its
good....but not that good. I think Che Bunce's comments may have
been on the mark as Herbert couldn't manage to construct a team
formidable of challenging Ukraine.
It would have been great to watch the Welsh get beaten by a
full NZ squad and then seeing them have a crack at a serious team
like Ukraine.
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Call me a cynic, but I don't really get how drawing to a second
team of a 75th ranked Welsh team rates as that positive, I mean its
good....but not that good. I think Che Bunce's comments may have
been on the mark as Herbert couldn't manage to construct a team
formidable of challenging Ukraine.
It would have been great to watch the Welsh get beaten by a
full NZ squad and then seeing them have a crack at a serious team
like Ukraine.
You're a cynic
you could get a job in the NZ media with that attitude..Founder
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Give NZ credit, they drew with a wales team that inculded MAN UTD
great Giggs and Liverpool Striker Bellamy. GREAT result for NZ and
the best of luck for the rest of the year.
GOo0o0o0o0ooo BERTOS!!!!!
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Call me a cynic, but I don't really get how drawing to a second
team of a 75th ranked Welsh team rates as that positive, I mean its
good....but not that good. I think Che Bunce's comments may have
been on the mark as Herbert couldn't manage to construct a team
formidable of challenging Ukraine.
It would have been great to watch the Welsh get beaten by a
full NZ squad and then seeing them have a crack at a serious team
like Ukraine.
How many of our better players did we not have? How many NZFC players did we field? We also played away to a team 52 places ahead of us and not only scored twice, but drew. I think it is a phenomenal achievement. Earlier on in this thread somebody mentioned Herbert relinquishing his role with the All White's, I don't think this will happen as he is always talking about the All White's getting to the next World Cup and I am sure he will want to be part of that if it happens.
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Call me a cynic, but I don't really get how drawing to a second
team of a 75th ranked Welsh team rates as that positive, I mean its
good....but not that good. I think Che Bunce's comments may have
been on the mark as Herbert couldn't manage to construct a team
formidable of challenging Ukraine.
It would have been great to watch the Welsh get beaten by a
full NZ squad and then seeing them have a crack at a serious team
like Ukraine.
I think you're overestimating the ability of the average NZ team. This is a great result.
a.haak
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obviously Riki Herbert took the AW job so he could scout for, and
try out, potential players for the Nix 
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Rikki should only be coaching one team-preferably Phoenix.
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Call me a cynic, but I don't really get how drawing to a second
team of a 75th ranked Welsh team rates as that positive, I mean its
good....but not that good. I think Che Bunce's comments may have
been on the mark as Herbert couldn't manage to construct a team
formidable of challenging Ukraine.
It would have been great to watch the Welsh get beaten by a
full NZ squad and then seeing them have a crack at a serious team
like Ukraine.
in the next 24 months how often are the AWs going to play a team ranked higher than Wales?
Answer: not very often, the majority of the games we play will be world cup qualifiers against some of the powerhouses of world football like Tahiti.
the future looks good and we will be able to build on it. hopefully the likes of Nelsen, Killen and co will be able to play for us
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obviously Riki Herbert took the AW job so he could scout for, and
try out, potential players for the Nix
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Ricki Herbert took the All Whites job when the Knights were knew and nobody had any idea that the Phoenix were just around the corner.
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