Phoenix caught in World Cup fever
Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei
Permalink
Permalink
Wellington Phoenix have asked the A-League to postpone their match
against Adelaide United in September because New Zealand are playing
two trial matches for their forthcoming 2010 World Cup playoff.
http://www.theworldgame.com.au/a-league/phoenix-caught-in-world-cup-fever-202072
http://www.theworldgame.com.au/a-league/phoenix-caught-in-world-cup-fever-202072
Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei
Permalink
Permalink
Doesn't seem like a big ask, the match IS on a FIFA date, and the FFA wouldn't schedule A-League games if Australia were playing on that weekend
Normo's coming home
Permalink
Permalink
would Australia not have a game that weekend?
Permalink
Permalink
They don't have one scheduled
Normo's coming home
Permalink
Permalink
It's a little different for the Phoenix and NZ. Given they have a large percentage of NZ players in their team. I'd be surprised if any one Aussie team has more current Australia reps than the Nixs' NZ reps (have you tried playing championship manager as the Phoenix coach when NZ play!?).
Having NZ being successful in the qualifying legs for the world cup can only be good for the A-League - ie having more of their players being exposed to the world cup.
damn...
benlav2009-07-07 12:38:45
Having NZ being successful in the qualifying legs for the world cup can only be good for the A-League - ie having more of their players being exposed to the world cup.
13 matches in 10 weeks in four countries
damn...
benlav2009-07-07 12:38:45
Permalink
Permalink
On the negative: I don't think they gave Adelaide Utd a postponement on their A-League Game while they have to play their ACL game. 5 games in 15 days. It will adversely affect the other A-League clubs match preparation and travel schedules. I feel that the same decision will be the same for us.
On positive: There is considering that we don't have a reserve squad or a youth squad to reach into like the other A-League clubs. Also with the announcement of the matches early before the season may allow rescheduling of the season to take place and so there is very little disruption to the travel arrangements and other team preparations as well as rescheduling of Tv and marketing arrangements.
But 13 matches in 10 weeks in four countries for the All Whites is a rough road ahead.
On positive: There is considering that we don't have a reserve squad or a youth squad to reach into like the other A-League clubs. Also with the announcement of the matches early before the season may allow rescheduling of the season to take place and so there is very little disruption to the travel arrangements and other team preparations as well as rescheduling of Tv and marketing arrangements.
But 13 matches in 10 weeks in four countries for the All Whites is a rough road ahead.
Permalink
Permalink
On the negative: I don't think they gave Adelaide Utd a postponement on their A-League Game while they have to play their ACL game. 5 games in 15 days. It will adversely affect the other A-League clubs match preparation and travel schedules. I feel that the same decision will be the same for us.
On positive: There is considering that we don't have a reserve squad or a youth squad to reach into like the other A-League clubs. Also with the announcement of the matches early before the season may allow rescheduling of the season to take place and so there is very little disruption to the travel arrangements and other team preparations as well as rescheduling of Tv and marketing arrangements.
But 13 matches in 10 weeks in four countries for the All Whites is a rough road ahead.
On positive: There is considering that we don't have a reserve squad or a youth squad to reach into like the other A-League clubs. Also with the announcement of the matches early before the season may allow rescheduling of the season to take place and so there is very little disruption to the travel arrangements and other team preparations as well as rescheduling of Tv and marketing arrangements.
But 13 matches in 10 weeks in four countries for the All Whites is a rough road ahead.
I agree but you would have thought that FA would be a little more intelligent now then it was a season or two ago.
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites
Permalink
Permalink
FFA declined to reschedule Adelaide game;
IMHO a reasonable compromise would be to request Nix All Whites who aren't Nix starters for both games and request all Nix All Whites for the second game i.e. Sigmund, Lochhead and Bertos play against Adelaide. With Moss out for the qualifiers probably reasonable to request Paston for both games.
Whitby boy2009-07-20 18:55:55He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
Permalink
Permalink
D***, thats annoying
clark007e2009-07-20 18:53:22
Permalink
Permalink
WTF? Can't believe they can do that, the games are in FIFA windows!
FFA muthauckaz ucking with our sh*t
FFA muthauckaz ucking with our sh*tYou know we belong together...
Permalink
Permalink
I don't really understand why FFA could not re-schedule the game.
Very strange.
Very strange.
Permalink
Permalink
It seems that the FFA are upset that NZF didn't do enough to get a NIX reserves team in the NZFC.
Well done FFA....I'm sure Oceania/NZF will be giving you free votes when it comes to voting for World Cup hosting rights.
I say tackle him in the face.
Permalink
Permalink
It would be alright if we had a youth team we could call on - but, of course, the FFA have screwed us over on that too. Strap on your boots guys, you might be able to get a run on Sept 4
valeo2009-07-20 19:41:42
a.haak
Permalink
Permalink
Whatever they do with regard to phoenix players for those games, the whole excercise will be of questionable value if the likes of Killen, Nelsen, Elliott and Smeltz arent released by their clubs. I suppose for those who are not playing or starting regularly (or if the club looks out of play offs contention - e.g. San Jose) it shouldnt be an issue - but I doubt Blackburn or Gold Coast are going to be massively enthusiastic about sending key players off to the Middle East in September to play some friendlies. Fallon, Wood, even Boyens, Oughton, Brockie, McGlinchey could potentially have problems.
Permalink
Permalink
f**k you Australia.
you're always sh*tting on us you cocks.
you're always sh*tting on us you cocks.
Permalink
Permalink
Whatever they do with regard to phoenix players for those games, the whole excercise will be of questionable value if the likes of Killen, Nelsen, Elliott and Smeltz aren't released by their clubs.........
Aren't the games in FIFA windows so clubs have to release players if requested ?
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
Permalink
Permalink
Whatever they do with regard to phoenix players for those games, the whole excercise will be of questionable value if the likes of Killen, Nelsen, Elliott and Smeltz arent released by their clubs.........
Aren't the games in FIFA windows so clubs have to release players if requested ?
maybe they do, maybe im talking rubbish, el grap please clarify ...
(MLS never seems to recognise FIFA windows, neither is FFA on this occasion, so not sure what that means as far as club obligations, especially as these are not official FIFA matches, just friendlies)
Permalink
Permalink
Whatever they do with regard to phoenix players for those games, the whole excercise will be of questionable value if the likes of Killen, Nelsen, Elliott and Smeltz arent released by their clubs.........
Aren't the games in FIFA windows so clubs have to release players if requested ?
maybe they do, maybe im talking rubbish, el grap please clarify ...
(MLS never seems to recognise FIFA windows, neither is FFA on this occasion, so not sure what that means as far as club obligations, especially as these are not official FIFA matches, just friendlies)
Just checked FIFA site;
05-09 September
Fixed date for official competition matches
I'm assuming this means FIFA window only applies to official competition games not friendlies so Nix have discretion in releasing players i.e. it is not mandatory ?????
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
Permalink
Permalink
Maybe the Nix won't release their players either!
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
Permalink
Permalink
Maybe the Nix won't release their players either!
The article suggests they have to if asked as it is a FIFA date. I don't think it matters that it is only a friendly, as long as it is an international on a FIFA date they have to. GCU should also lose Smeltz etc.
Not the end of the world as we can just promote a couple of NYL players. Oh hang on....
Permalink
Permalink
Maybe the Nix won't release their players either!
�
The article suggests they have to if asked as it is a FIFA date. I don't think it matters that it is only a friendly, as long as it is an international on a FIFA date they have to. GCU should also lose Smeltz etc.
�
Not the end of the world as we can just promote a couple of NYL players. Oh hang on....
Correct. However the clubs has release them about either its 48 hours or 24 hours before kick off for a friendly in an FIFA International window. If it was an official WCQ, then they would have much more time for training preparations than 24/48 hours before kick off. I think they would then be given something like 10 days before kick off then. I can't be bothered to check it but that is the guise of it.AllWhitebelievr2009-07-20 22:47:49
Permalink
Permalink
Phoenix request rejected
http://www.theworldgame.com.au/a-league/phoenix-request-rejected-206632
The A-League has knocked back a request from Wellington Phoenix to postpone their match against Adelaide United in September so New Zealand can play two trial matches for their forthcoming 2010 World Cup playoff.
http://www.theworldgame.com.au/a-league/phoenix-request-rejected-206632
The A-League has knocked back a request from Wellington Phoenix to postpone their match against Adelaide United in September so New Zealand can play two trial matches for their forthcoming 2010 World Cup playoff.
This comes as a blow to New Zealand's chances of reaching the World Cup for the second time in their history.
Phoenix should have four starters and three men on the bench when the All Whites play Bahrain or Saudi Arabia away on October 10 and in Wellington on November 14 for a place in the finals in South Africa.
Captain Tim Brown, Tony Lochhead and Leo Bertos started all three matches for the Kiwis in the recent Confederations Cup while Dave Mulligan and Ben Sigmund started one match and Jeremy Christie started one match and came on as a substitute in the other two.
Ricki Herbert, who doubles as New Zealand and Phoenix coach, has arranged two crucial trial matches in Amman against Asian champions Iraq and Jordan on September 5 and 9, which both fall on FIFA dates.
Phoenix have a Round 5 league date with the Reds at Westpac Stadium on September 4 and have tried to get the date changed but the game will now go ahead as scheduled.
�A postponement would have caused too much disruption to the competition," A-League chief Archie Fraser said.
New Zealand are expected to go ahead with their two trial matches in Amman and at this stage it is unclear what team Phoenix will field against the Reds.
Herbert, depending on how Phoenix start their league campaign, could take his international players to Amman because the club would have no right to stop them from going anyway.
He might also have to look into the possibility of letting some or all of his internationals play against Adelaide on September 4 and and fly them to Amman for the second New Zealand trial on September 9.
Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei
Permalink
Permalink
Explain to me, what national league schedules a national league match on the 4th September a day before the international FIFA window? Don't most countries FA leave a couple of days leeway before and after those windows so that no one club will be at a disadvantage? They allow one whole week for a 4 day window when Australia had a friendly match in the middle of the league season before. Why do they schedule such a fixture. How can that be flexible for players if Pim wants Australia to play a quick and cheap game almost at a drop of a hat? It's all rubbish organisation from their point of view.
Permalink
Permalink
Whatever they do with regard to phoenix players for those games, the whole excercise will be of� questionable value if the likes of Killen, Nelsen, Elliott and Smeltz arent released by their clubs.........
�
Aren't the games in FIFA windows so clubs have to release players if requested ?
�
maybe they do, maybe im talking rubbish, el grap please clarify ...
�
(MLS never seems to recognise FIFA windows, neither is FFA on this occasion, so not sure what that means as far as club obligations, especially as these are not official FIFA matches, just friendlies)
Like AWB said above, it's in a FIFA window, so the clubs have to release players, but since it's a friendly, the 48-hour rule applies.
But like I said earlier, I just can't understand this decision from the FFA. I mean how much disruption would postponing this game really mean? I mean, come on. You can't reschedule the game at a later date, with a midweek kickoff? Absolute bollocks.
Permalink
Permalink
An option for trying to manage the conflict is for the All Whites to play one friendly instead of two in the FIFA window e.g. Nix play Adelaide as scheduled (with their All Whites), AWs play Iraq or Jordan on say the 7th or 8th and then the Nix play Victory on the 13th. I actually think trying to play 2 friendlies 3 days apart is not a great idea anyway - better to have a 3 or 4 day training camp with one quality game in the middle rather than trying to jam in two friendlies with players buggered for the second.
If the plan to play 2 friendlies goes ahead we will be down 7 or 8 players for the Adelaide game and then have those players back, knackered from travel and 2 freindlies, for the Melbourne game on the 13th.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
Permalink
Permalink
Filling left back will be interesting. Might need to get Paul Muollo in
Founder
Permalink
Permalink
Do not approve of that decision. Adelaide has a crap amount of flying to do..?? Surely that applies to all the Phoenix guys going to internationals too!
Permalink
Permalink
Crowther
Lia McKain Durante Daniel
Ferrante Diego
Costa Hearfield
Ifill Greenacre
Imray
Ring in
Rojas
New Striker
You know we belong together...
Permalink
Permalink
Imray would depend on TeeDubs as he would have to take 4 weeks off afterwards before he could play NZFC. More likely bench would be Gould.... he could set an A-League age record.
Permalink
Permalink
These things happen, c'est la vie. My problem is the clusterf**k FFA's attitude.
Step 1, make sure the media find out about this - including comments from Archie Fraser - before you even tell the Phoenix.
Step 2, Get Bonita Mersiades to talk to NZ media and ensure she is informed.
- She refers to an NZ match against Malta. WTF ? It's two games against Iraq and Jordan.
- She mentions that the Phoenix never mentioned this when the draw was being done. Well they wouldn't have would they as they had no idea that the games that NZ football hadn't organised yet would be on.
- The FFA's response also suggests that the Phoenix should "just sign more players" so it wouldn't be a problem. WTF ?
So the club unable to enter the youth league, and unable to maximise revenue through the champions league should 'just sign more players'.
I'm sorry but get f**ked.
With the constant double standards around the Gold Coast vs the rules to everyone else and now this it's quite obvious that the A-League is no longer a level playing field. If you have more money you are allowed to buy a competitive team whereas if you aren't at the pointy end they can nick your coach or just tell you to f**k off when you make a reasonable request.
The O'Neill and Matt Carroll era may have been flawed but at least you felt they understood that for the league to survive everyone needed to have a fair chance. This is just becoming a farce.
I hope TP goes off on one when he gets back.
Step 1, make sure the media find out about this - including comments from Archie Fraser - before you even tell the Phoenix.
Step 2, Get Bonita Mersiades to talk to NZ media and ensure she is informed.
- She refers to an NZ match against Malta. WTF ? It's two games against Iraq and Jordan.
- She mentions that the Phoenix never mentioned this when the draw was being done. Well they wouldn't have would they as they had no idea that the games that NZ football hadn't organised yet would be on.
- The FFA's response also suggests that the Phoenix should "just sign more players" so it wouldn't be a problem. WTF ?
So the club unable to enter the youth league, and unable to maximise revenue through the champions league should 'just sign more players'.
I'm sorry but get f**ked.
With the constant double standards around the Gold Coast vs the rules to everyone else and now this it's quite obvious that the A-League is no longer a level playing field. If you have more money you are allowed to buy a competitive team whereas if you aren't at the pointy end they can nick your coach or just tell you to f**k off when you make a reasonable request.
The O'Neill and Matt Carroll era may have been flawed but at least you felt they understood that for the league to survive everyone needed to have a fair chance. This is just becoming a farce.
I hope TP goes off on one when he gets back.
Permalink
Permalink
Imray would depend on TeeDubs as he would have to take 4 weeks off afterwards before he could play NZFC. More likely bench would be Gould.... he could set an A-League age record.
**cough**
Actually i wanna NVH on the bench. Rolly Pollies could be the half time entertainment.
Permalink
Permalink
We did think at lunchtime that we should just put out a Fever Bobsled XI and get the game abandoned after we got reduced to seven players.
Permalink
Permalink
OR A wall of "larger" Feverites on the goalline, play for a draw.
"you'll never get around Hard News"
You know we belong together...
Permalink
Permalink
These things happen, c'est la vie. My problem is the clusterf**k FFA's attitude.
Step 1, make sure the media find out about this - including comments from Archie Fraser - before you even tell the Phoenix.
Step 2, Get Bonita Mersiades to talk to NZ media and ensure she is informed.
- She refers to an NZ match against Malta. WTF ? It's two games against Iraq and Jordan.
- She mentions that the Phoenix never mentioned this when the draw was being done. Well they wouldn't have would they as they had no idea that the games that NZ football hadn't organised yet would be on.
- The FFA's response also suggests that the Phoenix should "just sign more players" so it wouldn't be a problem. WTF ?
So the club unable to enter the youth league, and unable to maximise revenue through the champions league should 'just sign more players'.
I'm sorry but get f**ked.
With the constant double standards around the Gold Coast vs the rules to everyone else and now this it's quite obvious that the A-League is no longer a level playing field. If you have more money you are allowed to buy a competitive team whereas if you aren't at the pointy end they can nick your coach or just tell you to f**k off when you make a reasonable request.
The O'Neill and Matt Carroll era may have been flawed but at least you felt they understood that for the league to survive everyone needed to have a fair chance. This is just becoming a farce.
I hope TP goes off on one when he gets back.
Step 1, make sure the media find out about this - including comments from Archie Fraser - before you even tell the Phoenix.
Step 2, Get Bonita Mersiades to talk to NZ media and ensure she is informed.
- She refers to an NZ match against Malta. WTF ? It's two games against Iraq and Jordan.
- She mentions that the Phoenix never mentioned this when the draw was being done. Well they wouldn't have would they as they had no idea that the games that NZ football hadn't organised yet would be on.
- The FFA's response also suggests that the Phoenix should "just sign more players" so it wouldn't be a problem. WTF ?
So the club unable to enter the youth league, and unable to maximise revenue through the champions league should 'just sign more players'.
I'm sorry but get f**ked.
With the constant double standards around the Gold Coast vs the rules to everyone else and now this it's quite obvious that the A-League is no longer a level playing field. If you have more money you are allowed to buy a competitive team whereas if you aren't at the pointy end they can nick your coach or just tell you to f**k off when you make a reasonable request.
The O'Neill and Matt Carroll era may have been flawed but at least you felt they understood that for the league to survive everyone needed to have a fair chance. This is just becoming a farce.
I hope TP goes off on one when he gets back.
Completely, 100% agreed. It feels like the FFA are constantly treating us like 2nd class citizens.
a.haak
Permalink
Permalink
I guess it is an Australian League, so they'll do what they want, when they want.
I still reckon we dangle the vote carrot for the 2018, 2022 FIFA world cups.
I say tackle him in the face.
Permalink
Permalink
Not as simple as that though Santy because Aus sides, Aus players and Aus sponsors get caught in the crossfires and they can't afford to alienate those people.
Permalink
Permalink
Gould in goal could be the option but i'm not too sure because if he was required to play then Ricky wouldn't be there and he wouldn't be able to coach
Permalink
Permalink
Phoenix accuses FFA of double standards Gangsta!2009-07-22 10:11:45
Permalink
Permalink
Gould in goal could be the option but i'm not too sure because if he was required to play then Ricky wouldn't be there and he wouldn't be able to coach
Actually think its not too bad an Idea. he wouldn't need to play, but if he did, he would probably be only on a for half a game max. Would be the next best alternative on the roster.
Permalink
Permalink