Huawei Wellington United Phoenix Academy Football School of Excellence - WeeNix

The  NZFC has a youth league...

We need a youth team playing weekly...

If we cant play in the nzfc general and cannot play in the a-league... then why not play in the youth league of the team we cannot play in...

just an idea

why don't the phoenix make a youth league themselves with some ten year olds

just an idealaylay2010-02-18 19:35:43

maynard.

Because the NYL in NZ only has limited rounds (TeeDubs will play 5 games if they get to the final) and have no facility for over age players, which is key for the Phoenix as getting reserve players game time is a requirement.

Can I just say that one of the main reasons that I am not motivated to go to ACFC games is looking at the pit of negativity and impenetrable injokes that is the ACFC forums, as opposed to the all round good vibes of this place. Even the new Northern League forum is more fun than that Wombato fellow going off on his weird Dr Who riffs (and Bluemagic complaining about how butthurt those nasty YF people make him...)

Wow, uncLOLz, your friendly and welcoming attitude has totally changed my outlook and I will certainly buy you a beer at Kiwitea St on Sunday.

I think the point being made Bluemagic is that you come across as a prick, which you do most of the time, and so if someone (esp a Nix fan) was thinking of coming to an Auckland City game then the thought of you being there would almost certainly put them off.

Blue Magic because I want to prove you wrong, I'm taking 5 people to Team Wellington.

Blue magic,in the film industry,the people have an option to see one or the other,and they usually only have a budget to see one. In the NZFC scenario,a crowd in the waikato are not going to be influenced by a game being played in wellington,I really do not see how you can say with real conviction that a game in wellington is lowering crowds in other parts of the country. Its ridiculous in fact. Tegal2010-02-19 12:21:54

No, to be precise, I haven't been to ACFC games in a couple of years because I am usually playing football myself on a Sunday afternoon. But your attitude - or your joy in "outing" the real name of posters who piss you off - doesn't help. Perceptions of fan culture count for a lot, and it seems - and I may be mistaken - that there are a lot of mean-spirited bitter people in ACFC fandom, as opposed to the chuckle-headed but well-meaning funsters about town who support the Nix.
Doloras2010-02-19 12:47:40

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Relevance? I just thought I'd mention it because in a previous thread a number of forum members took great delight in informing me about the Phoenix reserves once stuffing Waitakere United 7-0 and how that proved the NZFC was crap. I'm told Auckland City offered an end of season game to the Phoenix and Ricky turned it down, perhaps because he could see a potential banana skin.

"Chuckle-headed" - you didn't mean knuckle-headed by any chance did you? Only asking?

Jag2010-02-19 17:05:03

No-one can conclusively back up any argument on this matter. All I can go on is that the NZFC is falling away while interest in the Phoenix is soaring. Over 19,000 in CHCH for a game between two Australian teams and Canterbury United are down to a few hundred supporters.

Keep in mind, Bluemagic, that the team that lost to TW had several triallists while other players played in foreign positions all over the park.  Diego was a striker.  Winning only 3-0 against that type of line-up surely has to be a TW loss?

And yeah, the Phoenix spanked Waitakere but that didn't prove the NZFC sucks.  Phoenix are obviously better but many of us still enjoy both competitions.

I'd love to see Auckland City FC vs Wellington Phoenix FC.  Maybe a three match series with one game at home for each team and then at a neutral venue for the last game (Christchurch).  I figure Ricki Herbert didn't want to rain on your parade after coming 5th in the Club World Cup.  "We'll let 'em bask in it for now", he probably said to the other Phoenix staff.
loyalgunner2010-02-19 17:58:17

Its obvious for your concern about the NZFC but apart from blaming the nix for the poor crowds what else have you suggested? I've read a lot of posts and you don't offer much apart from a negative attitude.

I'm sure the poor crowds probably come down to poor marketing from/of the teams and the league as a whole, competition from other sports and entertainment events in each of the centres, the perception that the NZFC is not that good than the Nix being around.

But this maybe a seperate discussion in a seperate thread.

I've read this thread with interest and probably share the concern of most that NZ homegrown talent has got to have a path to a professional side and shouldn't have to head overseas to achieve that aim.

Bluetragic you are being totally illogical. On one hand 19k in Chch and a large crowd tomorrow is sucking life out of the NZFC, on the other hand you have said that previously TW got up to 1,000. 1,000...which means that the vast majority of people wouldn't watch the NZFC regardless of whether the Phoenix existed or not.

Why do you keep arguing when you've already defeated your own argument?

You've also said nothing about an alternative scenario/vision. Would love to know how you think the NZFC would suddenly become interesting to people or drive growth in NZ football if there was no Phoenix...do you have your vision or is whinge and drag other people down to your level of mediocrity all you can do?

Wellington Phoenix has increased my interest in Wellington football which has resulted in me going to Wellington NZFC matches that I doubt I would have bothered with otherwise.

That is fair comment. I used to drive past any game that was going, hop out the car and watch.
All the people in this thread have the best at heart for NZ football.
I don't think anyone blames the Nix for poor attendances for other fixtures etc. but what are the boys down at Soccer NZ doing to help the game along.
Probably the same as 20 years ago-not much?

I am this post as well. Nix has made both myself and fiancee interested in TW games and have attended quite a few.

I agree. Seeing the passion at the ring of fire has lead me to go along to the TW games and even went to the so called Nix reserves game v TW. Not for the spectical but other reasons. Anyway it was hardly a full reserves pro league with a lot of younger ones filling in for the nix.

Blue magic is just an auckland arse with something so stuck up there so far it is affecting his mental capacity. He comes from a position that if it not in auckland its crap.  The fact that the Nix have done it and are still doing it has annoyed him.  Oh well time to get over yourself BM.

Don't know if the youth plays curtain raisers to the main game but I would love to see that - although probably first and foremost we should be treated like all of the clubs and be eligible for A league youth team, I would prefer to have it against an NZFC team so I can see more of the talent in NZ

I know I could go toTW games and do that and have been to many particularly in the first couple of years but it does challenge me (like most others I am sure) for making that much time free.

I heard some good REAL reasons that may prevent us getting into NZFC but throught the wiseness of this thread seem to have good ways to resolve them

Seems to me the only real stumbling block is the ego's of a few now that are concerned their power and influence will be eroded - sadly, they seem to have a voice at the tables of NZ soccer and are the reasons the game is not progressing as well as it could in this country - held back by self interest.

Should we partition the NZS to get a statement from them on why not - hold them to account. now is the time to do it right as there is so much good noise about the game that can be used to advantage.

Yeah attendances need to be up. See the thread for ideas on how to do so (I see you're to busy complaining about the phoenix to notice that).

Via the NZFC? It does get watched you know,and we are constantly includign them in trial games and trainings. having the phoenix is more good than harm surely,the NZFC is being looked at more closely than by any aussie A league club now.

You are the modern day Nostradamus.

I'll go out on a limb here seeing as you sound like you're in "reasonable" mode rather than "poke-sticks-and-run" mode.