Huawei Wellington United Phoenix Academy Football School of Excellence - WeeNix
Clapham has already been to the VPL and played in the winning side. It didn't get him an A-League deal last time. He's since spent time with the Phoenix who identified areas they felt he needed to work on to become an A-League player.
You, of course will spin that as the Phoenix ignoring New Zealand players which is quite patently untrue.
I'll go out on a limb here seeing as you sound like you're in "reasonable" mode rather than "poke-sticks-and-run" mode.
The last Team Wellington game was a disaster, which is a shame as the game was a cracker, but there are a few circumstances as to why.
Yep I wish I had the magic formula to get people to come along to TW.
I think what undermines the "Phoenix sucking away interest" theory (and it's a valid theory) is that there have never been big crowds at TW games. TW has never succeeded in capturing the interest of the Wellington football community.
I think that is true of NZFC franchises generally where they have not been borne of existing clubs. So Waikato, Canterbury, Otago, Wellington and YHM all struggle to draw crowds while Napier, Auckland and Waitakere do better.
As I said above the question we should all be asking is how do we make the people at the WPX games aware of the fact that there is a good product in their backyard every week that they should be getting along to watch.
This may be more for someone within the franchises.
I'd love to discus the NZFC product and how it could be marketed better or differently but within a limited budget. I think it'd be interesting to see what comes from that.
1. Sitting home and watching TV.
2. Going shopping
3. Visiting friends
4. Sitting at a cafe chatting
etc etc.
You cannot view sport in general, or any specific sport in isolation. As years go by there are more and more entertainment options and ways for people to spend their time. The Phoenix is succeeding in the entertainment market because besides usually being a cracking game of football it is also good entertainment, with a good atmosphere and sense of occasion.
Is the NZFC an entertainment product?
Yes, perhaps my question wasn't particularly well worded. While it's hard to apportion 'blame', I meant was the rise of the Nix in any way correlated to a fall in NZFC crowds (as sporting attendances have been steadily dropping overall recently)?
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Yep I wish I had the magic formula to get people to come along to TW.
money does prohibit some things but surely with a bit of clever thinking the profile of the NZFC could be raised by first looking at those who are likely to go. It's no use promoting it to everyone because not everyone would be interested.
Many clubs dropped off in the first three years of the NZFC from big highs, and hit what what could be called a base level of support. Sometimes they pitch higher, sometimes a little lower.
Certainly numbers here are much lower, although the model of engagement and various other things have changed as well as the Phoenix coming to town.
Even on the concourse we have to jump through hoops to get the sub there and handing out flyers is a no no (we got in big trouble on AW's night. The stadium will happily promote events being held there because there is revenue in it for them, but there is nothing in it for them to promote a game at Farrington field.
I think someone said before that TW games as curtain raisers to Nix games are not a goer. If so, how about a post-season friendly in Auckland - Nix vs some quality international club opposition, curtain-raised by ACFC vs Waitak?
Hmmm. The logic of this would put the onus on the ACFC fan base to promote their own team, as I think the success of the Nix has been Ricki + Terry's $$$ + YF as a phenomenon (and ACFC don't have a millionaire backer or a supercoach... yet!) And as I've said before, organised online ACFC fandom aren't helping their cause with what seems to be a negative, blaming attitude. (Compare this to the Perth Glory fans, who really can blame the Nix for their club's problems!) But I'm sure bluemagic and happyjordy are clever lads and they can think of a way to motivate the people of Auckland along to Kiwitea St. As someone who would be a big supporter of ACFC if I wasn't busy on Sunday arvos, I will try to help as well.
Then again many of them are also those excuses/views brought out at various times in the last 30 years,many of them are the reason why our game here has shot itself in the foot so many times over the FKN years.
Speaking to some people its also the reason they prefer the Phoenix over so called local football,none of this self centred parochial rubbish that has infested the game here for to many FKN years.
You make me laugh, you really do...
1. Sitting home and watching TV.
2. Going shopping
3. Visiting friends
4. Sitting at a cafe chatting
etc etc.
Then again many of them are also those excuses/views brought out at various times in the last 30 years,many of them are the reason why our game here has shot itself in the foot so many times over the FKN years.
Speaking to some people its also the reason they prefer the Phoenix over so called local football,none of this self centred parochial rubbish that has infested the game here for to many FKN years.
Even on the concourse we have to jump through hoops to get the sub there and handing out flyers is a no no (we got in big trouble on AW's night. The stadium will happily promote events being held there because there is revenue in it for them, but there is nothing in it for them to promote a game at Farrington field.
your right tho its time we { the clubs /Franchises } did what NZF have been paid to do ,for the last 5 years
Lets fight for a free NZFC ...!
Shove off Glyn [yes your a nice guy but your sh*t at your job , so Byeee...]
Lets fight for a free NZFC ...!
Is 10 bucks too much ? I dont think so,
get a season pass its cheap as !
Or be like doloras , choose a reason and dont go because of that; some good ones still not used;
the grass is too green
the suns too yellow
the teams strip reminds me of work [actually a valid excuse for road workers not to follow Waikato ]
My cat looks at me if I leave home during the weekend
There must be heaps more...
There you go again - he was training with with the Phoenix only a few weeks back. I watched that same player play for the Phoenix in a reserve game not so long ago, and he got a full 90. Played out of position in the first half, and struggled mightily. Looked a bit better in the second half (when wholesale changes were made on both sides), but my overall impression was well short of A-league standard at this stage.
I'm pretty sure Team Wellington didn't offer season passes this season.
Very sorry that I prefer to play football than watch it. Also very sorry that you and bluemagic think that ridiculing fringe supporters will make them (or others watching) more likely to come along. If the YF had that attitude, what kind of a crowd do you think they would get?
I'll most probably make it to the NZFC final if ACFC are in it, but will be trying to stay away from you guys.Doloras2010-02-24 11:19:06
I'm pretty sure Team Wellington didn't offer season passes this season.
Of course there are TW season passes.
cool to see we are looking at ways to lift the image and patronism of the NZFC and without it our talented players would find it almost impossible to progress in the game... HOWEVER
Very sorry that I prefer to play football than watch it. Also very sorry that you and bluemagic think that ridiculing fringe supporters will make them (or others watching) more likely to come along. If the YF had that attitude, what kind of a crowd do you think they would get?
I'll most probably make it to the NZFC final if ACFC are in it, but will be trying to stay away from you guys.
Please , you know its on a weekend , also , and Ill bow to brighter people [most are ] but shouldnt you turn up , well at least once to be any sort of supporter ?
And have you considered Waitakere ? Travels not a problem [as you dont actually go to any games ] ,price ditto , and as theyve no fans theres less chance that your sad spoutings will get any reaction , hell Ill get Rexs contact details if it makes it easier...
Please join Emblems pale white army...
You can go to the nix, TW, one or none and no-one will really question your personal choice.