now I'll say from the outset that I disagree with him here. All clubs and their supporters to date have had to put up with this in the past finals' series. So no exceptions here.
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We'll Fight FFA On Finals Prices <!-- tools, pic, related, island ad --> Sportal Australia
Feb 23 2010 13:29
WELLINGTON Phoenix chief executive Tony Pignata is set to fight Football Federation Australia over their ticket prices and finals revenue policy.
diego's son2010-02-23 15:46:53
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We'll Fight FFA On Finals Prices <!-- tools, pic, related, island ad --> Sportal Australia
Feb 23 2010 13:29
WELLINGTON Phoenix chief executive Tony Pignata is set to fight Football Federation Australia over their ticket prices and finals revenue policy.
FFA increased regular season ticket prices at Westpac Stadium from $28, for silver seating, to $35 and from $35, for gold seating, to $50 for last weekend's elimination semifinal victory over Perth Glory.
Pignata planned to discuss the current system with the governing body.
"Going forward we will sit down and have a chat with FFA and see if something can be done about it because we have had expenses over the last few weeks," he said.
Expenses included player bonuses for making the top four, with 95 percent of the squad believed to receive $2000 to $3000 each.
"And we have no any revenue coming in at the moment," he said. "Our contract says all finals are run by Football Australia and they take all gate receipts - profit or loss.
"It would have been a very good revenue earner for the club on Sunday. We're not complaining. But we will deal with it and discuss it with FFA after the season."
However, Pignata was pleased there would be no further ticket price increase for the home semifinal against the Newcastle Jets on Sunday, March 7.
"They [FFA] haven't increased it for the next game which is fantastic," he said. "Generally as you go deeper into the finals prices increase, but I don't think it is a stumbling block for people to come to our games.
"Anyone who left on Sunday after 120 minutes, plus penalties, would have got their money's worth. We gave them an extra 40 minutes for free. It was quite stressful, but I'm sure that 24,000 walked out of Westpac Stadium wanting to come back."
Pignata was predicting a sell out crowd after members had snapped up 5000 tickets on Tuesday, with public sales commencing on Wednesday.
diego's son2010-02-23 15:46:53
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Just because it has always been the way doesnt mean you shouldnt push for change.
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"It would have been a very good revenue earner for the club on Sunday. We're not complaining. But we will deal with it and discuss it with FFA after the season."
So, because all clubs have agreed with it, it can't be questioned? So, clubs and supporters wouldn't be delighted if there was a change next season?
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Have changed misleading topic title.
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"And we have no any revenue coming in at the moment," Pignata said. "Our contract says all finals are run by Football Australia and they take all gate receipts - profit or loss.
Scottish is he?
Sportal = shoddy.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Just because it has always been the way doesnt mean you shouldnt push for change.
Tegs, change happened in the game over 7 years ago. People here didn't push for reform to the game for no reason.
It's a p.sstake. For Tony to come along 5 seasons in and ask this is wrong.
Phoenix reps were at the GF last year in Melbourne (Isaw Ricky and the crew there) so they've known in previous years of this.
Surely the FFA briefs clubs internally about this type of stuff.
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"That's the way it's always been".
Fair enough, can't argue with that. Pignata, pull your head in.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Ohhh so we dont deserve a fair say in what happens because we arent an original club,so anything we say is a pisstake and doesnt count.
Hes just speaking his mind about the finals revenue,I dont see a problem with this. As i understand itll come under review for next season anyway. But sure,get one of the 'big boys' to speak up...Not the little old Phoenix CEO
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Yeah they knew, but its still a crock. Im sure the Melbourne CEO has lobbied for a change, now we are getting a chance to lobby. Good on ya Tony!
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There's probably going to be a trade-off somewhere. if they give franchises play-off cash they may compensate by adjustments to the licence arrangements elsewhere (e.g. how much broadcasting cash they get). Although thats not to say it wouldnt be sensible from an incentive and relationship point of view to have some revenue-share arrangement.
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Just because it has always been the way doesnt mean you shouldnt push for change.
Tegs, change happened in the game over 7 years ago. People here didn't push for reform to the game for no reason.
It's a p.sstake. For Tony to come along 5 seasons in and ask this is wrong.
Phoenix reps were at the GF last year in Melbourne (Isaw Ricky and the crew there) so they've known in previous years of this.
Surely the FFA briefs clubs internally about this type of stuff.
Really?
So the rules are set in stone for eternity are they? Lock it in Eddie.
Honestly, you keep revealing yourself to be clueless. I'm going to add an IQ minimum to the Forum Rules I think.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Just because it has always been the way doesnt mean you shouldnt push for change.
Tegs, change happened in the game over 7 years ago. People here didn't push for reform to the game for no reason.
It's a p.sstake. For Tony to come along 5 seasons in and ask this is wrong.
Phoenix reps were at the GF last year in Melbourne (Isaw Ricky and the crew there) so they've known in previous years of this.
Surely the FFA briefs clubs internally about this type of stuff.
Bugger off. All clubs would have pushed for this at some point and I would be suprised if it is not changed sometime in the near future. To say that we shouldn't question it because it's currently the status quo is absurd.
To not even confirm our future in the A-League and then rake in all of our finals money...you don't see any reason why Tony P should be a little bit frustrated? Of course, it was expected, but it doesn't make it any less annoying.
valeo2010-02-23 16:04:28
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Smithy, he is a Melbourne fan he knows best. They've been to the finals so often that all us poor cousins who are in our first playoff year should just shut up and listen to what ever the big boys tell us.
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There's probably going to be a trade-off somewhere. if they give franchises play-off cash they may compensate by adjustments to the licence arrangements elsewhere (e.g. how much broadcasting cash they get). Although thats not to say it wouldnt be sensible from an incentive and relationship point of view to have some revenue-share arrangement.
The danger in overturning the rule as it is right now runs the risk of hugely benefiting the clubs from big centres (notably Melbourne and Sydney, possibly Brisbane) in the future. And I'm not sure that would be a good thing for us (provided we're still in the league).
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Ohhh so we dont deserve a fair say in what happens because we arent an original club,so anything we say is a pisstake and doesnt count.
Hes just speaking his mind about the finals revenue,I dont see a problem with this. As i understand itll come under review for next season anyway. But sure,get one of the 'big boys' to speak up...Not the little old Phoenix CEO
No, but Tony would have known of the system for a while. He should have done it behind closed doors at the FFA or with all other A-League clubs.
Surely if this was a concern it has been raised before at meeting of the club CEO's? To go to the media now and say it is a joke. The other clubs wouldn't be impressed.
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Smithy, he is a Melbourne fan he knows best. They've been to the finals so often that all us poor cousins who are in our first playoff year should just shut up and listen to what ever the big boys tell us.
Foolish comment.
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That is something i thought of El. The revenue could be better spread out over the 10 (11) teams. The FFA does want all sides on sounds financial footing and on an even playing field after all.
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Smithy, he is a Melbourne fan he knows best. They've been to the finals so often that all us poor cousins who are in our first playoff year should just shut up and listen to what ever the big boys tell us.
Foolish comment.
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Ohhh so we dont deserve a fair say in what happens because we arent an original club,so anything we say is a pisstake and doesnt count.
Hes just speaking his mind about the finals revenue,I dont see a problem with this. As i understand itll come under review for next season anyway. But sure,get one of the 'big boys' to speak up...Not the little old Phoenix CEO
No, but Tony would have known of the system for a while. He should have done it behind closed doors at the FFA or with all other A-League clubs.
Surely if this was a concern it has been raised before at meeting of the club CEO's? To go to the media now and say it is a joke. The other clubs wouldn't be impressed.
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Just because it has always been the way doesnt mean you shouldnt push for change.
Tegs, change happened in the game over 7 years ago. People here didn't push for reform to the game for no reason.
It's a p.sstake. For Tony to come along 5 seasons in and ask this is wrong.
Phoenix reps were at the GF last year in Melbourne (Isaw Ricky and the crew there) so they've known in previous years of this.
Surely the FFA briefs clubs internally about this type of stuff.
Really?
So the rules are set in stone for eternity are they? Lock it in Eddie.
Honestly, you keep revealing yourself to be clueless. I'm going to add an IQ minimum to the Forum Rules I think.
Smithy, I don't really give a f..k what you think. Marius and Hard News I rate on here as 'forum experts' and if I need a question asked, I trust their views.
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You could try to be less patronising DS. It would make you a whole lot less iritating. Some of us have been doing this for over a decade, it's not like we started last week.
As for Marius and I > Smithy ?
Fair call, but Smithy and Feverish are far more likely to ban you than Marius and I so you might want to tread carefully.
Hard News2010-02-23 16:12:55
As for Marius and I > Smithy ?
Fair call, but Smithy and Feverish are far more likely to ban you than Marius and I so you might want to tread carefully.
Hard News2010-02-23 16:12:55
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Just because it has always been the way doesnt mean you shouldnt push for change.
Tegs, change happened in the game over 7 years ago. People here didn't push for reform to the game for no reason.
It's a p.sstake. For Tony to come along 5 seasons in and ask this is wrong.
Phoenix reps were at the GF last year in Melbourne (Isaw Ricky and the crew there) so they've known in previous years of this.
Surely the FFA briefs clubs internally about this type of stuff.
Really?
So the rules are set in stone for eternity are they? Lock it in Eddie.
Honestly, you keep revealing yourself to be clueless. I'm going to add an IQ minimum to the Forum Rules I think.
Smithy, I don't really give a f..k what you think. Marius and Hard News I rate on here as 'forum experts' and if I need a question asked, I trust their views.
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DS seems to annoy people wherever he goes. It's a gift.
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Even if he got the FFA to change it so the clubs got a share of revenue from finals ticket sales.I would imagine they would then make the share the clubs will get from TV rights smaller.
Could also have a bad side to it as well.Lets say we drew GCU would that mean Terry would have to dig into his pocket for costs due to rubbish attendances.
Could also have a bad side to it as well.Lets say we drew GCU would that mean Terry would have to dig into his pocket for costs due to rubbish attendances.
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DS - if we had the same security over our future as other clubs we might be a little less sore about handing over approx. $NZ 1.6m to the FFA at this point. Context counts for something here.
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would you then have prize money for making the top 6? instead of taking a share of gate receipts just a niice lump sum cheque? would be a nice incentive for clubs to get to the top 6.and the rate teams rise and fall you'd never be out of the money for too long.
as i understand it the top 6 dont get any prize money at this point either or do they?
Christo2010-02-23 16:21:02
as i understand it the top 6 dont get any prize money at this point either or do they?
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I think making the playoffs is incentive enough. The problem there is the top clubs would get richer than the other clubs,i suspect the FFA want to share the cash around. Hence the salary cap also.
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[QUOTE=Tegal]Ohhh so we dont deserve a fair say in what happens because we arent an original club,so anything we say is a pisstake and doesnt count.
Hes just speaking his mind about the finals revenue,I dont see a problem with this. As i understand itll come under review for next season anyway. But sure,get one of the 'big boys' to speak up...Not the little old Phoenix CEO
No, but Tony would have known of the system for a while. He should have done it behind closed doors at the FFA or with all other A-League clubs.
Surely if this was a concern it has been raised before at meeting of the club CEO's? To go to the media now and say it is a joke. The other clubs wouldn't be impressed.
Its not like he had a dig. All he did was say theyll sit down and discuss it at the end of the season...which to my understanding is exactly what is happening. But hey,we should just sit down,shut up and let the big melbourne boys who have been here since day one do all the talking,theyve been here since day one after all,and we havent.[/QUOTE]
Geez and he called my comments foolish.
Look, new ideas are welcome, I'm not arguing that, but this comment/concern from Tony should not be aired via the media for all of us to see.
He should have said it behind closed doors at a internal FFA briefing session.
Is that more diplomatic for you?
HN - Comments noted on who runs the show here. Still if I can't be honest than what's the point?
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but what could they spend the extra cash on? as long as the cap is in place its not like they can get a superstar squad.
assuming there's no under the table player payments
assuming there's no under the table player payments
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I fully get what's being said. Tony does need to tread carefully. Doesn't want to piss people off with our contract still to be extended. But it is certainly fair enough that it does get questioned.
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Its a sensible time to revisit this kind of thing with the licences up for renewal. You could make a strong case for some kind of revenue share arrangement but can also see the risks.
I wonder if the FFA ring-fences its A League revenues for A League investment? if so, I could see the risk in a revenue share arrangement - with the big, rich clubs getting more cash and the budget for A League marketing and development getting squeezed. Plus, at some point you've got to ask what Melbourne needs the revenue from two extra home play off matches? THe salary cap will also come under pressure as the wealth gap between clubs gets bigger (there are only so many physios, sports psych and training pitches you can buy).
It may be the FFA is spending it on flash cars, fancy suits and bribing FIFA officials - in which case we'd be better to keep it (although who says Terry wont just pocket a dividend, after all there is a salary cap). Also, the Nix is least likely to benefit from development and marketing investment given no youth team and less exposed to A-League marketing over here etc.
But, I still think the FFA holds the cards and, ultimately, if we want play-off cash that will be factored into other aspects of the licence - and the flow of $ between the franchises and the FFA. Probably some profit share tilted heavily in favour of the FFA, but at least providng some incentive for the franchises to market their own play-offs, to cover costs and to feel they are being treated fairly by the FFA, might be worth looking at.
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So, when the Sportal journalist asks him for his views he should just say 'no comment' ?
Someone rang him and interviewed him, the club didn't issue a release saying this. A jorumalist rang and interviewed him and he answered the question in a way that, I am guessing, every single A-League CEO wpuld have answered.
Tony is working to make sure this club exists in 12 months time, and if he needs to remind people of what the Phoenix contribute to make sure that happens I'm stoked my ticket money pays him.
Someone rang him and interviewed him, the club didn't issue a release saying this. A jorumalist rang and interviewed him and he answered the question in a way that, I am guessing, every single A-League CEO wpuld have answered.
Tony is working to make sure this club exists in 12 months time, and if he needs to remind people of what the Phoenix contribute to make sure that happens I'm stoked my ticket money pays him.
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You did argue that new ideas arent welcome though.
He didnt air any view,he said we have costs etc,and that he was going to discuss with FFA at the end of the season (common knowledge that its being looked at i thought),he didnt go into specifics at all.
"Im sitting down with the FFA to discuss something" is hardly horrible.
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nothing wrong with tony's comments.
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smithy loves the ban. he patrols the forums looking for any excuse. he's our parking warden
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The cash from our home finals games is probably going to prop up the Youth League and Womens League.
Given we don't have the development support commitments like those teams that do have Youth and Womens teams, that the FFA pump loadsamoney into to keep going, then I think it is fair the Nix should get a share back in recompense.
An analogy would be like someone going to an all you can eat restaurant, but the Nix paying $10 a head more than the others, and then being told they can only have main courses.
Given we don't have the development support commitments like those teams that do have Youth and Womens teams, that the FFA pump loadsamoney into to keep going, then I think it is fair the Nix should get a share back in recompense.
An analogy would be like someone going to an all you can eat restaurant, but the Nix paying $10 a head more than the others, and then being told they can only have main courses.
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
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So, when the Sportal journalist asks him for his views he should just say 'no comment' ?
Someone rang him and interviewed him, the club didn't issue a release saying this. A jorumalist rang and interviewed him and he answered the question in a way that, I am guessing, every single A-League CEO wpuld have answered.
Tony is working to make sure this club exists in 12 months time, and if he needs to remind people of what the Phoenix contribute to make sure that happens I'm stoked my ticket money pays him.
Someone rang him and interviewed him, the club didn't issue a release saying this. A jorumalist rang and interviewed him and he answered the question in a way that, I am guessing, every single A-League CEO wpuld have answered.
Tony is working to make sure this club exists in 12 months time, and if he needs to remind people of what the Phoenix contribute to make sure that happens I'm stoked my ticket money pays him.
Bin Hamman is in Sydney on Thursday so I'm sure we may hear more than about Phoenix's future.
PS - If the article is titled wrong then whoever is upset by it should have a crack at 4-4-2 about it, I posted it here unedited.
Thanks,
DS
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Ive never thought about it that way eejit. Perhaps this could be pointed out in trying to get us a youth team...If they pay us they may as well incur costs for us to have a youth team instead. Win win.
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Just because it has always been the way doesnt mean you shouldnt push for change.
Tegs, change happened in the game over 7 years ago. People here didn't push for reform to the game for no reason.
It's a p.sstake. For Tony to come along 5 seasons in and ask this is wrong.
Phoenix reps were at the GF last year in Melbourne (Isaw Ricky and the crew there) so they've known in previous years of this.
Surely the FFA briefs clubs internally about this type of stuff.
Really?
So the rules are set in stone for eternity are they? Lock it in Eddie.
Honestly, you keep revealing yourself to be clueless. I'm going to add an IQ minimum to the Forum Rules I think.
Smithy, I don't really give a f..k what you think. Marius and Hard News I rate on here as 'forum experts' and if I need a question asked, I trust their views.
Me too.
So far this week you've said:
"You guys concentrate on beating us in a friendly while we concentrate on winning the World Cup"
and now this.
Based on those two scorching insights I'm impressed that your brain hasn't exploded.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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